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   Posted: 6/11/2014 5:19:43 PM 
It's not Schembechler, GoCats!
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   Posted: 6/11/2014 5:59:44 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
It's not Schembechler, GoCats!



How about a little hint?

 

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   Posted: 6/11/2014 7:17:14 PM 
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   Posted: 6/11/2014 9:25:59 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
"There's many a boy here today who looks on football as all glory, but boys it's all hell."


Edit: Since I have no idea who authored Jeff's last quote, I thought I'd challenge BAers with my own obscure quote from a coach who was a master of the misdirection play, had a record for fewest injuries to his men, and could sustain high morale among his team during a grueling season.


Not sure what coach you claim said that! But that quote is actually William T. Sherman's quote from a address at a Military Academy in the 1870's

Well, BTC, it's well known among BA revisionist historians that WTS was our first football coach, after his wife Ellen insisted that he move back to SEO after the war. He actually made those remarks with the word "war" replacing the word "football" at a speech at the State Fairgrounds in Columbus.  The Fairgrounds in those days was located on Broad Street where the Franklin Park Conservatory now stands.  There's a small, hard to find, historical plaque there now to mark the spot.  In the alternative history version I presented he said this to the Ohio football team about ten years before traditional historians say we even stated football. 

 

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   Posted: 6/11/2014 11:29:15 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
"There's many a boy here today who looks on football as all glory, but boys it's all hell."


Edit: Since I have no idea who authored Jeff's last quote, I thought I'd challenge BAers with my own obscure quote from a coach who was a master of the misdirection play, had a record for fewest injuries to his men, and could sustain high morale among his team during a grueling season.


Not sure what coach you claim said that! But that quote is actually William T. Sherman's quote from a address at a Military Academy in the 1870's


Well, BTC, it's well known among BA revisionist historians that WTS was our first football coach, after his wife Ellen insisted that he move back to SEO after the war. He actually made those remarks with the word "war" replacing the word "football" at a speech at the State Fairgrounds in Columbus. The Fairgrounds in those days was located on Broad Street where the Franklin Park Conservatory now stands. There's a small, hard to find, historical plaque there now to mark the spot. In the alternative history version I presented he said this to the Ohio football team about ten years before traditional historians say we even stated football.



Well you are correct about the revisionist history part as General Sherman first delivered that speech in Michigan in 1789 and many times after. He spoke in Columbus in August 1880 a full year after speaking those words in Michigan.

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   Posted: 6/12/2014 12:06:51 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
. . .Well you are correct about the revisionist history part as General Sherman first delivered that speech in Michigan in 1789 and many times after. He spoke in Columbus in August 1880 a full year after speaking those words in Michigan. . . . .


I'm familiar with the Michigan claim. There is a good deal of controversy about it. No paper had it in their coverage of the event. It comes from one of the graduates who claims to have written it down after all the reporters had left. It was supposedly not part of Sherman's formal remarks but was a statement he made to the graduates after his formal speech, which our graduate-turned-reporter said bored the newspaper reporters so that they left, leaving him the only one to record these extemporaneous remarks by WTS. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I'm saying that many historians think it was written down way after the event and is of dubious credibility. Perhaps, you've studied this more than I have and can fill in the details and tells us why this graduate's claim should be believed. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that the press missed a big story!

Last Edited: 6/12/2014 1:10:56 AM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 6/12/2014 7:12:04 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Next quote:

"And now, the Ohio State band is playing, Hurry up Sloopy.  They play it every game."


Was that Lee Corso when he used to be in the booth?

I don't know why, but it seems to me like something Lou Holtz might have said.

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   Posted: 6/12/2014 8:54:36 AM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
It's not Schembechler, GoCats!



How about a little hint?

 


President-elect Richard Nixon attended this game and sat with Governor James Rhodes for one half. 
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   Posted: 6/12/2014 10:05:53 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
It's not Schembechler, GoCats!



How about a little hint?

 


President-elect Richard Nixon attended this game and sat with Governor James Rhodes for one half. 


1969 Rose Bowl OSU vs. USC is about the only game I could think of which would feature a crowd like that. I'm too young to remember the announcers.
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   Posted: 6/12/2014 1:32:04 PM 
Well, GoCats, you have the game right.  It is the 1969 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and USC and OJ Simpson.  Now, the next step is for someone to guess which announcer committed the Sloopy gaffe.  Remember, don't check the internet...: )
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   Posted: 6/12/2014 2:48:14 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Well, GoCats, you have the game right.  It is the 1969 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and USC and OJ Simpson.  Now, the next step is for someone to guess which announcer committed the Sloopy gaffe.  Remember, don't check the internet...: )


In 1969 I think NBC televised the game.  Charlie Jones?

 

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   Posted: 6/12/2014 4:53:17 PM 
Sure it wasn't Gov. Rhodes who said that rather than an announcer?  It sounds like a typical Rhodesism.  I well remember when he welcomed President Johnson to this "venereal institution . . ."  He, of course, meant venerable.  

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   Posted: 6/12/2014 10:44:28 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
. . .Well you are correct about the revisionist history part as General Sherman first delivered that speech in Michigan in 1789 and many times after. He spoke in Columbus in August 1880 a full year after speaking those words in Michigan. . . . .


I'm familiar with the Michigan claim. There is a good deal of controversy about it. No paper had it in their coverage of the event. It comes from one of the graduates who claims to have written it down after all the reporters had left. It was supposedly not part of Sherman's formal remarks but was a statement he made to the graduates after his formal speech, which our graduate-turned-reporter said bored the newspaper reporters so that they left, leaving him the only one to record these extemporaneous remarks by WTS. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I'm saying that many historians think it was written down way after the event and is of dubious credibility. Perhaps, you've studied this more than I have and can fill in the details and tells us why this graduate's claim should be believed. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that the press missed a big story!



http://www.freep.com/article/20130616/NEWS06/306160064/Ge...

As well authored in several well respected documentaries on General Sherman. Marszalek being my favorite.
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   Posted: 6/12/2014 11:55:58 PM 
Well, BTC, your link requires a subscription to read beyond the first page.  I will write John Marszalek and ask him about his professional opinion on the authenticity of this claim.  I've corresponded with him in the past on subjects related to Sherman, and -- as you know -- he has written one of the best biographies of the general.  I'm not doubting your claims that John has made this statement in the past, but I'd like to find out his current sense of the issue since I have read other historians who cast doubts on the Michigan claim.  I will report back.  As we used to say in radio . . . stay tuned . . .  

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   Posted: 6/13/2014 12:33:09 PM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Well, GoCats, you have the game right.  It is the 1969 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and USC and OJ Simpson.  Now, the next step is for someone to guess which announcer committed the Sloopy gaffe.  Remember, don't check the internet...: )


In 1969 I think NBC televised the game.  Charlie Jones?

 


I'm going to guess Curt Gowdy.
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   Posted: 6/13/2014 1:42:39 PM 
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Well, BTC, your link requires a subscription to read beyond the first page.  I will write John Marszalek and ask him about his professional opinion on the authenticity of this claim.  I've corresponded with him in the past on subjects related to Sherman, and -- as you know -- he has written one of the best biographies of the general.  I'm not doubting your claims that John has made this statement in the past, but I'd like to find out his current sense of the issue since I have read other historians who cast doubts on the Michigan claim.  I will report back.  As we used to say in radio . . . stay tuned . . .  



Let me know what he has to say?

 
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Well, GoCats, you have the game right.  It is the 1969 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and USC and OJ Simpson.  Now, the next step is for someone to guess which announcer committed the Sloopy gaffe.  Remember, don't check the internet...: )


In 1969 I think NBC televised the game.  Charlie Jones?

 


I'm going to guess Curt Gowdy.

Mark Lembright, you are correct!  The author of the Hurry Up Sloopy gaffe was none other than my favorite broadcaster of all time, Curt Gowdy!

 
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   Posted: 6/13/2014 2:41:16 PM 
Which announcer identified Ohio's Dick Grecni in the College All-Star Game against an NFL team -- after he made a crucial interception -- as "Dick Grenish from Ohio State"?  As I recall, he never corrected himself, either.

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   Posted: 6/13/2014 2:47:36 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Which announcer identified Ohio's Dick Grecni in the College All-Star Game against an NFL team -- after he made a crucial interception -- as "Dick Grenish from Ohio State"?  As I recall, he never corrected himself, either.

Perhaps I should add the year.  I believe it was 1961..  

 

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   Posted: 6/13/2014 4:57:16 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
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Which announcer identified Ohio's Dick Grecni in the College All-Star Game against an NFL team -- after he made a crucial interception -- as "Dick Grenish from Ohio State"?  As I recall, he never corrected himself, either.

Perhaps I should add the year.  I believe it was 1961..  

 


Sounds like something Ray Scott might do.

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   Posted: 6/13/2014 8:59:52 PM 
You are getting close.  A hint:  This guy is probably associated in most people's minds with ABC, but I believe he was with CBS when he made this goof.   

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   Posted: 6/13/2014 9:21:58 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Well, BTC, your link requires a subscription to read beyond the first page.  I will write John Marszalek and ask him about his professional opinion on the authenticity of this claim.  I've corresponded with him in the past on subjects related to Sherman, and -- as you know -- he has written one of the best biographies of the general.  I'm not doubting your claims that John has made this statement in the past, but I'd like to find out his current sense of the issue since I have read other historians who cast doubts on the Michigan claim.  I will report back.  As we used to say in radio . . . stay tuned . . .  



Let me know what he has to say?

 

OK, today Prof. Marszalek and I exchanged a couple of emails.  The essence of what he had to say on this topic was that the Columbus speech is the best documented.  That is why in his book, Sherman, A Soldier's Passion for Order, he said he wrote a long paragraph with details on the Columbus speech and a short paragraph after that on the other places that WTS was reported to have made similar remarks.  He specifically put the word "allegedly" before his mentions of Sherman's "War is Hell" remarks at Jackson, MIssissippi, 1863; and the Michigan Military Academy, 1879.  Therefore, I'd say we've ended up in a draw in this "debate." You were right that there are substantial reports of WTS having made similar "War is Hell" remarks earlier than the Columbus speech; I was correct in giving more credibility to the Columbus event.  

 

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   Posted: 6/14/2014 1:15:35 AM 
OCF: Was it Chris Schenkel?
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   Posted: 6/14/2014 9:16:15 AM 
My wife thinks I'm absolutely nuts for being part of this messageboard but where else can one go that combines Ohio athletics AND the Civil War (of which I'm a very smalltime buff not nearly on the level of BTC and OCF)??  BANG what a big time messageboard!!!
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