I doubt that.  The party school reputation is decades old and was around long before either social media or the recent rise in applications.

 

http://www.brobible.com/?s=ohio+university>

Mistaken, I believe.  I found several articles noting the upward trend in applications nationally.  The best was a ten year study linked here.

All of the percentages that I found though say that Ohio's increases are higher than the national averages.
 

We might have something more to go on if we knew what was happening to the yield (the percentage of acceptances that actually end up attending).

Is it falling as fast as the number of applications is rising? If so, then the increase is probably just caused by more people applying as a backup. That would be people who wouldn't have attended before (because the didn't apply), and who won't attend now (because it isn't their first choice), meaning the increase in applications is meaningless.  No doubt yield is falling, but if applications are rising faster, then the gain is real and there is an actual increase in the number of people that want to attend Ohio. 

 

I did some comparing with Miami and OSU using the common data sets for the 2011 and 2013 freshman classes.

Applications to Ohio were up 55% for the two year period, compared with 22% at Miami, 21% at OSU.

In terms of increases in quality, 

 

Ohio's middle 50% on the ACT went from 21-26 to 22-26.  On the SAT, from 960-1190 to 970-1200  

Students scoring 30+ on the ACT went from 7% to 8% while those scoring under 24 went from 54% to 48%%.
 

Freshman quality at Miami went from 24-29/1090-1280 to 25-30/1120-1330  30+ACT: 18% to 28% and 24ACT> 18% to 9%

 

Freshman quality at OSU went from 26-30/1140-1360 to 27-31/1150-1380  30+ACT: 31% to 38% and 24ACT> 9% to 6%

 

I couldn't find the 2011 report for UC, but their numbers for 2013 were 22-28/1000-1260 30+ACT was 12% of freshman class and 24> was 36%

So, the conclusions that I'm drawing are:

 

The numbers are:

2011
Applicants: 13251
Accepted (Acceptance Rate): 11415 (86.1%)
Enrolled (Yield): 3862  (33.8%)

2013
Applicants: 20765
Accepted (Acceptance Rate): 15149 (72.9%)
Enrolled (Yield): 4235 (27.9%)

Acceptance rates are down, but so are yields.  I guess that means we're getting more poorly qualified applicants to reject as well as highly qualified applicants, but that the highly qualified aren't coming.

 

You apparently haven't seen the new display at the University Archives in Alden Library.  You really need to be sent to the Cump Sherman Yankee re-education camp! 

 

Shocked and disheartened at the difference in student quality there. 38% got 30+ on ACT at OSU? That is incredible. Wish we had data on graduating classes. I believe greater than 50% of graduates at OSU transferred in from a branch campus. Quality of graduates at OSU has to be much lower than the quality of their freshmen class. 

 

Or maybe not. Maybe I'm just biased and sour.

 

What are the figures for our capacity vs. yield?  Does anyone know what percentage of our available space was filled?

Also there were some comments earlier in the thread regarding Appalachian students.  When I was at Ohio I was under the impression that there was some kind of policy that had enrollment requirements for students from designated counties/areas at a level perhaps lower than those from the 3 C's, Toledo, Dayton etc. 

Is/was this true and does such a thing still exist?  I personally am in favor of this as I believe it greatly contributes to the improvement of our state's quality of life.  

 

I looked at transfer admissions.  Ohio State takes in more (25% of all new students) transfers than Ohio (13%) or Miami (7%).  On the other hand they reject a lot of their transfer applicants and have the highest 6 year graduation rate at 83% (Ohio--67%/Miami 80%), so I'm guessing those transfer applicants tend to be kids with decent (say 24-27 ACT) scores that were rejected and go to a branch campus for a year or two.  It seems--and I think this is the case at any very selective university--that Ohio State is rejecting plenty of kids who are perfectly capable of competing and doing the work, many of whom choose to sit at an OSU branch campus for a year or two rather than attend another Ohio public university.  Otherwise, all those transfers would really weigh down their graduation rates.

Getting back to my main reason for the comparison, those future OSU transfers are exactly who we should be attracting to Athens.  We can let them start their true college experience from day 1. For every one of them that we get as an incoming freshman, it's one less kid with a 21 or 22 that we accept.  With some vision and leadership, I think it's a a battle we can win with Miami.  We have the better sports.  We have the better town.  

 

And here is the key finding in that article.

Quote:

Students with lower-than-average SAT scores tended to have a stronger preference for schools known for athletic success, while students with higher SAT scores preferred institutions with greater academic quality. Also, students with lower academic prowess valued the success of intercollegiate athletics for longer periods of time than the high SAT achievers.

For every article taking the "Flutie Effect" as gospel, there have been several debunking it, including the words of BC's own admissions director at the time who noted that the trend in applications had been set in motion over the previous decade with a substantive national recruitment effort by BC, and that those increases in applications continued long after Flutie was gone and the the football program was stringing together losing season after losing season.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutie_Effect

I'm not saying that athletic success has ZERO effect on admissions, but I am saying that the effect is much more complex and that those students applying because of athletic success are not necessarily the ones to move a university forward in a qualitative way.


 

Ohio State makes a well intended misrepresentation of their freshman class every year. With what certainty can we say a student selected at random during OSU's graduation ceremony has those freshman class qualifications? My hypothesis is an Ohio State grad is the least likely to have to the advertised freshman class qualifications of any school in Ohio that competes at the FBS level.

OUPride,

 

I would say it's merely speculation that people transferring into Ohio State represent the top quartile or even 50% of incoming freshman at OHIO. Speculation is fair play, but it doesn't hold the same weight as some of the other statistics you've posted. 

3345.06 Entrance requirements of high school graduates - core curriculum.

 

 

(A) Subject to divisions (B) and (C) of this section, a graduate of the twelfth grade shall be entitled to admission without examination to any college or university which is supported wholly or in part by the state, but for unconditional admission may be required to complete such units not included in the graduate's high school course as may be prescribed, not less than two years prior to the graduate's entrance, by the faculty of the institution.

(B) Beginning with the 2014-2015 academic year, each state university listed in section 3345.011 of the Revised Code, except for Central state university, Shawnee state university, and Youngstown state university, shall permit a resident of this state who entered ninth grade for the first time on or after July 1, 2010, to begin undergraduate coursework at the university only if the person has successfully completed the Ohio core curriculum for high school graduation prescribed in division (C) of section 3313.603 of the Revised Code, unless one of the following applies:

(1) The person has earned at least ten semester hours, or the equivalent, at a community college, state community college, university branch, technical college, or another post-secondary institution except a state university to which division (B) of this section applies, in courses that are college-credit-bearing and may be applied toward the requirements for a degree. The university shall grant credit for successful completion of those courses pursuant to any applicable articulation and transfer policy of the Ohio board of regents or any agreements the university has entered into in accordance with policies and procedures adopted under section 3333.16, 3313.161, or 3333.162 of the Revised Code. The university may count college credit that the student earned while in high school through the post-secondary enrollment options program under Chapter 3365. of the Revised Code, or through other dual enrollment programs, toward the requirements of division (B)(1) of this section if the credit may be applied toward a degree.

(2) The person qualified to graduate from high school under division (D) or (F) of section 3313.603 of the Revised Code and has successfully completed the topics or courses that the person lacked to graduate under division (C) of that section at any post-secondary institution or at a summer program at the state university. A state university may admit a person for enrollment contingent upon completion of such topics or courses or summer program.

(3) The person met the high school graduation requirements by successfully completing the person's individualized education program developed under section 3323.08 of the Revised Code.

(4) The person is receiving or has completed the final year of instruction at home as authorized under section 3321.04 of the Revised Code, or has graduated from a nonchartered, nonpublic school in Ohio, and demonstrates mastery of the academic content and skills in reading, writing, and mathematics needed to successfully complete introductory level coursework at an institution of higher education and to avoid remedial coursework.

(5) The person is a high school student participating in the post-secondary enrollment options program under Chapter 3365. of the Revised Code or another dual enrollment program.

 

(C) A state university subject to division (B) of this section may delay admission for or admit conditionally an undergraduate student who has successfully completed the Ohio core curriculum if the university determines the student requires academic remedial or developmental coursework. The university may delay admission pending, or make admission conditional upon, the student's successful completion of the academic remedial or developmental coursework at a university branch, community college, state community college, or technical college.

(D) This section does not deny the right of a college of law, medicine, or other specialized education to require college training for admission, or the right of a department of music or other art to require particular preliminary training or talent.

Amended by 130th General Assembly File No. 25, HB 59, §101.01, eff. 9/29/2013.