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Topic: RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

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L.C.
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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/15/2014 6:34:36 PM

C Money wrote:

...B/c Philly has malls or something like that.

The "mall" joke goes with Akron, and was because a recruit decommitted from Ohio in favor of Akron "because they have malls there". Turns out he never played much. Perhaps he spent too much time at the mall?

Actually the problem that the Temple troll cited, if I recall, was that in a big city there are simply too many choices, and it's hard to be relevant. The presence of NFL teams also can significantly reduce interest in NCAA football.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/15/2014 7:44:21 PM

The one school he fails to mention with the most potential is actually UTSA. They are the only school in the San Antonio, TX metro area and have a great stadium (AlamoDome) to recruit out of. That is one program I would keep an eye out of CUSA more than any other.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/15/2014 8:30:33 PM

L.C. wrote:

C Money wrote:

...B/c Philly has malls or something like that.

Yeah, but I thought he specifically cited malls among other options, and we all laughed b/c of the Kron thing. I guess I could look up the thread, but that would require more effort and thought than I want to give to Temple.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/15/2014 10:31:08 PM

There can be no doubt that stupd cow is [insert any w va joke here] . But, if memory serves, they've at least won the MAC in the lifetime of the 50% or so of the people on this planet who are under 45.

Stop being satisfied with no MAC title.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/15/2014 10:40:51 PM

C Money wrote:

L.C. wrote:

C Money wrote:

...B/c Philly has malls or something like that.

I remember it the way L.C. does, and was about to post that before I saw his post. However, my memory is not 100 percent accurate, as has been pointed out more than once by alert BAers.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/16/2014 5:12:18 AM

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MAC and CUSA are extremely different in types of programs each has.

MAC has teams with small fanbases (many of which have a second big time team they follow) that are heavily funded by non athletic revenue. The teams in the MAC are at the bottom of the food chain and they are fine with that. I never hear of any of the MAC schools considering moving up a conference.

CUSA is full of teams that have dreams of growing. Charlotte, ODU, FAU, and FIU may not be strong programs right now, but they have huge potential. With their markets, money, and recruiting areas, they will improve by leaps and bounds in the next 10 years. It wasn't long ago that UCF was a horrible team with the nation's longest losing streak. CUSA is always been the proving grounds for teams that want to go the Big East (now AAC).

On the field, I would argue that the MAC is better than CUSA right now. But I don't see the MAC keeping up for long. With media money, bowl opportunities, not having to play on weeknights, CUSA is much better for growing a program.

Best of luck this fall in Huntington, you're going to need it.

so much hogwash here I don't even know where to begin.

"MAC teams are at the bottom of the food chain and they are fine with that" This type of nonsense is best responded to with all caps and profanity; we don't do that around here though, but that's what I think of this ridiculous comment. To say that MAC teams have no desire to improve is offensive and completely untrue. Do you think NIU made it to the Orange Bowl because they gave up and think that they're just "the bottom of the food chain"? You think Ohio made it to the Sweet 16 because they don't have any desire to improve themselves? Its amazing with all of Marshall's desire to be better that they still have never won a single NCAA Tournament game. Haven't even played one since 1987. I guess Marshall is satisfied with having less success than schools like Florida Gulf Coast.

"CUSA is full of teams that have dreams of growing" And rainbows! And unicorns! Again, to insinuate that MAC teams have no desire to improve is insulting and ignorant. Let me spell it out for you-

STABILITY DOES NOT EQUAL A LACK OF ASPIRATION

sorry, I went as long as I could without going to cap locks. Do you understand what I'm saying, does any of this make sense to you? Just because a school doesn't hop laterally from one lousy conference to another doesn't mean it doesn't seek to be competitive and improve its position. The MAC's stability is a strength, not a liability. And your comment about CUSA being the proving grounds for the Big East is so out dated its vintage. The AAC is not the Big East. The Big East was with the P5, the AAC is not. Huge, huge difference. Its a new world order, there aren't any stepping stones to the big leagues its G5 //....wide chasm....//P5.

ok, that's it. I'm done with this clown.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/16/2014 9:45:42 AM

Another perspective to look at is how many NFL players each conference produces. C-USA, in all of their glory, had exactly one more draft pick than the MAC in the 2013 NFL Draft (8-7). And that number could possibly be inflated by the teams that are no longer in CUSA (Houston, SMU, Memphis and UCF). It will be interesting to see if the numbers change with the 2014 draft.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-04-26/nfl-draf...

Last Edited: 4/16/2014 9:46:17 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 4/16/2014 10:18:38 AM

C Money wrote:

Could be. I completely agree, looking up the words of trolls is not worth the effort.

perimeterpost wrote:

"CUSA is full of teams that have dreams of growing" And rainbows! And unicorns! ....

Hahahaha

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/5/2014 10:25:24 PM

CUSA will be a different landscape now, yes, but it will improve. UTSA will be a contender within a few years, thry have amazing support from their community. La Tech and WKU are solid adds. Charlotte is the only head scratcher really, they make no sense, same with ODU imo.

Time will tell, especially when the TV contracts are renewed. I believe we will get less than we do now, but I also believe it will still be more than the MAC even after travel expenses. CUSA is a better conference in terms of revenue, and income, right now. But that could change in a few years we will see. I really am looking forward to Ohio for coming to Huntington this year. That game will have an insane atmosphere I spent close to a sellout crowd. And for gods sake, I am praying that we don't have five or six turnovers and haNd the game away.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/6/2014 7:47:02 AM

penn2moss wrote:

MAC and CUSA are extremely different in types of programs each has.

MAC has teams with small fanbases (many of which have a second big time team they follow) that are heavily funded by non athletic revenue. The teams in the MAC are at the bottom of the food chain and they are fine with that. I never hear of any of the MAC schools considering moving up a conference.

CUSA is full of teams that have dreams of growing. Charlotte, ODU, FAU, and FIU may not be strong programs right now, but they have huge potential. With their markets, money, and recruiting areas, they will improve by leaps and bounds in the next 10 years. It wasn't long ago that UCF was a horrible team with the nation's longest losing streak. CUSA is always been the proving grounds for teams that want to go the Big East (now AAC).

On the field, I would argue that the MAC is better than CUSA right now. But I don't see the MAC keeping up for long. With media money, bowl opportunities, not having to play on weeknights, CUSA is much better for growing a program.

Best of luck this fall in Huntington, you're going to need it.

What are you smoking? We all have fan bases that dream of the big time. 90% of the Ohio fans I hang with like Ohio State as much as you guys like WVU. If you think FIU, FAU FPVKYVU are schools ready to explode onto the national scene you are delusional. ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, UTSA and Marshall are the same as the MAC. Not to mention with the big 5 breakaway those dreams are gone. BYU, UConn and MAYBE Cincinnati and at some point Memphis are the only schools that have a prayer if latching on and moving to the penthouse.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/6/2014 12:24:12 PM

Gallia Cat wrote:

penn2moss wrote:

He also forgets that we had UCF before CUSA did.

Keep dreamin, Butch. That's what you're good at.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/7/2014 12:07:43 AM

And CuSA provided the stage and exposure to allow ucf to grow and recruit better athletes, and take that next step. A good coach can take a program to the next level from cusa. The next level from the MAC used to be cusa. Many feel it still is, I am among them. Well aware that all on this board would say they want ohio to stay in the mac and would never want to move, but we all know if ohio officials got an invite, you would be changimg that logo on the field and uniforms to cusa. The same way us marshall fans act like we dont want in the AAC to save face but in reality we would go in a heart beat.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/7/2014 5:29:27 PM

goherd25 wrote:

And CuSA provided the stage and exposure to allow ucf to grow and recruit better athletes, and take that next step.

You want us to believe that the MAC was holding UCF back and only because they joined CUSA were they able to find success? And you root for MARSHALL??? MARSHALL?!?!?! You know, the team that did the exact opposite of what you are saying. Think before you speak.

goherd25 wrote:

The next level from the MAC used to be cusa. Many feel it still is, I am among them.

And by "Many" you mean you and 3 other delusions Herd fans. Beyond that nobody agrees with you.

goherd25 wrote:

..we all know if ohio officials got an invite, you would be changimg that logo on the field and uniforms to cusa.

I know we've had our differences in the past but what I'm about to say to you I say as a friend- please stop smoking crack. I beg you. It's destroying your life, get some help. We're all worried for you. Seriously.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/7/2014 7:02:15 PM

goherd25 wrote:

There was a time when CUSA was a better conference than the MAC, but no one disputes that CUSA was hit hard by the league changes I would agree that AAC is better than both, but in my opinion CUSA and the MAC are about equal at the moment, with both being better than the Sunbelt. As you admit, CUSA needs substantially more revenue to offset the higher travel expenses. Beside the questions regarding what will happen to the TV contract, it also remains to be seen what happens to attendance in the "new" CUSA. Will Marshall pack fans in to see their new rivals?

As for having 5 or 6 turnovers in Huntington, go for it..... please. Chuck Landon is always fun to read after games like that.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/9/2014 1:05:37 AM

Hahaha LC. I dont doubt we will. You guys have had the mental edge for the last 2 years and just beat our asses 3 years ago.

Perimeter, the classic, break a post apart in pieces and try to put words in other peoples mouths to spin it your way. Get your fallacy posts out of here. No one has time foe that crap. OU officials would accept that invite, period. No way they turn down a million extra in tv revenue alone, along with a million more in bowl revenue with better distribution plans.

And LC, that is yet to be seen. We had a great crowd for utsa last year but it was also homecoming. We will know this year when we get to MTSU, I guess. We have a decent home slate this year, outside of rhode island, but its the home opener so we will automatically have about 32k there for that one. Maybe more with all the preseason hype and probably be in the polls preseason with at least receiving votes.

If OU can bring 5 or 6k fans, our game will be sold out with you all. I really look forward to the atmosphere at that one. Hopefully it will be a nationally televised affair also.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/12/2014 6:14:00 PM

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No way OU would accept invite to new CUSA. It would be no different than moving from MAC to the old Sun Belt because they are basically the same conference.

Last Edited: 5/12/2014 6:14:50 PM by Gallia Cat

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/16/2014 12:10:00 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Is Marshall the piece to the puzzle that MAC football is missing? I'm not sure it is, but it would sure add some extra fire and name recognition to the league.

Marshall is 100x better than EMU.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/18/2014 7:52:47 PM

OU_Country wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Is Marshall the piece to the puzzle that MAC football is missing? I'm not sure it is, but it would sure add some extra fire and name recognition to the league.

Marshall is 100x better than EMU.

That is a thought which could be debated endlessly.

stupd cow's qb is good but every pass over 35 yards is an adventure, given not much arm strength.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/18/2014 9:22:21 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Marshall is 100x better than EMU.

That is a thought which could be debated endlessly.

stupd cow's qb is good but every pass over 35 yards is an adventure, given not much arm strength.

...and EMU has......?

Hmmmm, they have a very nice (albeit empty) stadium. Oh, and since no fans go to EMU games, you can pretty much park right next to the stadium for free.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/18/2014 11:25:44 PM

I wouldn't object to EMU leaving but I'm not sure bringing back Marshall for a 3rd time is the answer.

Here's a radical idea for thought- instead of adding teams, what if the MAC streamlined its members down 9 or 10? This would allow every team to matchup once a year in football and twice a year in bball. There wouldn't be a championship game in Detroit but would anybody miss it?

The tricky part is- which 2 or 3 schools do you boot?

But back to the topic- The Herd looks primed for a strong year against weak competition both in and out of conference. They should be well favored against all 3 MAC opponents as we are in a rebuilding year, Miami hasn't won since they knocked us out of the top 25 back in Oct. 2012 (good god that's embarrassing. for both schools), and Akron is on the way up but they've been bad for so long its hard to pick them. Marshall will be favored in all 3 matchups but will likely blow it in at least one of the MAC battles, because they're Marshall.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/19/2014 12:43:40 AM

Yeah, because we didn't dominate the MAC when we were there or anything. And yeah, you are right... the new cusa is the old sunbelt, yet still pays many times the revenue of the MAC with more and better bowl tie ins. That is why Ohio would jump at the chance if given.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/19/2014 9:11:24 AM

I think if Ohio had wanted in CUSA, they could have arranged to make that jump in the recent reshuffling of conferences. Ohio has a lot to offer, and would have been more attractive than some of the other schools that CUSA ended up settling on. Therefore I think you are wrong, and Ohio would not "jump at the chance" to join CUSA. A more interesting question is whether Ohio would "jump at the chance if given" to join the AAC. It's not the conference it once was, but I personally think that it's clearly better than MAC or CUSA. Even then, I don't know if that's the future that Ohio fans want. I know some would like to go the other way, and drop to Division II or lower.

As for Marshall, as much as Marshall fans talk up how much they like CUSA, I think they would jump at the chance, if given. to leave CUSA behind.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/19/2014 9:53:49 AM

L.C., don't you mean some Ohio fans think football should be dropped to IAA? I haven't heard much talk at all about dropping all the way to Division II.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/19/2014 9:58:38 AM

goherd25 wrote:

I don't think anyone denies that Marshall was dominant for most of its tenure in the MAC, but you have to admit the CUSA you originally joined isn't the one you are in now. Revenue tied to a "grandfathered" tv contract is likely to be cut at least a little when it's time to redraw some of that.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/19/2014 12:58:00 PM

goherd25 wrote:

There is absolutely zero reason for Ohio to consider jumping to a conference with FAU, FIU, Old Dominion, UAB and UTSA, among others.

p.s. and congratulations on your MAC glory days, we'll just ignore the .500 record vs the MAC in the 9 seasons since you left.

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