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Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 3/28/2014 10:24:04 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Not defending anyone or castigating blame as all of this is water long under the bridge but let's not forget the person w/ the personal problem could have really hurt someone.  Granted, that didn't happen, thankfully.

Don't forget that in this comparison, the person with the personal problem held on to his job, but remains on permanent probation, while the person with the track record of integrity issues moved up after the first issue from YSU to OSU, and then for the second issue was fired only because it was required by the NCAA, and is now apparently being considered for even higher positions.

If Tressel was still at YSU, but on probation from YSU because of the violations, it would be comparable to what happened to Solich, and no one would be saying anything. Since Solich remains on permanent probation with Ohio University we can conclude that off-the-field issues do matter to Ohio. Since the integrity issues have not held Tressel back, we can presume that integrity is not something that concerns some people, and that winning is more important to those people.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 3/29/2014 10:59:22 AM 
If you want to see a good piece of fantasy fiction, check out the 30 for 30 called "Youngstown Boys".  That load of crap didn't allow many facts to get in the way of reality.

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/5/2014 12:27:13 PM 
I know two (2) people, one well and the other an acquaintance, who both know Jim Tressel personally.  They have nothing but great things to say about him.  So, from the start, I am putting it out that I am biased in regards to this topic.

Right around the time of the scandal, a former Ohio State starting lineman was arrested for drug trafficking.  In addition, an Ohio State recruit from Youngstown had recently been shot in what was assumed to be drug/gang related violence. 

When considering  those issues, it puts the emails to Tressel in a different light IMO.  The emails basically said that a federal drug trafficking investigation into the tattoo parlor had uncovered Ohio State athletic memorabilia, including items previously owned by players x, y and z.  

My first concern in that situation would be drugs, violence, harm and death.  The items would be nothing to me besides their use in connecting which players were associating with this potentially violent person or group of people.  The emails made no mention as to how the items ended up at the parlor or whether they were sold, traded or simply gifted to the parlor.  Reading those emails you see - FEDERAL INVESTIGATION, DRUGS, TRAFFICKING, VIOLENCE, PRISON.  Remember, you know the young men personally and care about them.

My first move would be to contact the alpha player involved or the person that could influence or sway the alpha player.  Obviously, if I had no regard for the program, I would contact all of the players and their families.  However, if worried about the health of the program, I would try to keep my contact to one (1) or two (2) people who could take care of the situation.  Because, even without concern for NCAA violations, the players' connection to drug trafficking alone would be worth keeping out of the rumor mill, or worse yet, the news airwaves.  

If my first move failed, I would then meet with all of the players to tell them to stay away from these characters and we would also have a long conversation about who they associate with and other life-choices.  I may also make them "think" about it before or after practice with added physical activities.  I played a non-lucrative college sport and saw illegal actions, university student code violations and team rules violations punished in-house without publicity and without the involvement of the NCAA, the university higher-ups or law enforcement. 

As for the signed compliance documents, which are the most damning IMO, people tend to refer to that act as some grand event where Tressel made this paramount decision to sign documents stating that he does not know of any NCAA violations.  However, I am certain the documents were part of a much larger and standard package of documents that nearly every coach in America simply rubber stamps and moves off of their desks.  Further, imagine the number of rumors and behind-closed-doors matters that every head coach deals with each year.  Did this particular event stand out at the time the document was signed?  I doubt it.

In addition, as an attorney, if a government agency were to annually put a stack of standard documents on my desk requiring me, among numerous other things, to affirm that I am not aware of any state or federal violations committed by any client during the past year, I would sign and affirm.  If I were having a beer with friends and was asked the same thing, I would say, "[w]ell, I'm not certain of anything but this NYC international shipping company that has Tony on the payroll as a consultant, well....."  My affirmation would be truthful because I do not know anything for certain.  It would be foolish of me to do anything but sign the documents.  At the same time, common sense allows reasonable minds to guess about the missing pieces.

As far as looking the other way: I am almost positive Tressel did look the other way.  I am also almost positive that 99% (being conservative) of the other coaches do the same thing and are certainly not seeking out rumors and news about violators.  Division 1 NCAA athletics is a black market industry - you have to hustle to survive.  One is not looking to Barney Fife the players in the program (That's jaywalking!)

I'll end this ridiculously long post with this:  How many savvy cheaters/rule violators communicate via email, let alone work/state email?  Sounds like the work of a naive Grandpa or a newbie to me.  Even Tressel-haters don't call the man stupid.  If knowingly cheating, sending emails about this topic via the osu.edu email address is entirely stupid. 

Anyway, the next time your child breaks a law of any kind, felony, misdemeanor or violation, remember to turn him or her over to the relevant government authorities.  With their unbiased and arms-length perspective, they will more appropriately manage the severity of punishment for your child.  They know better than you.



 

Last Edited: 4/5/2014 12:27:51 PM by Hank Kingsley

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/6/2014 11:07:00 AM 
I'm sorry, but that just reek of twisted rationalizing.  Any decent human being who really thought his players were involved in something that might be dangerous would get the university authorities involved as soon as possible rather than hushing the whole thing up.  Don't you think that Ohio State has some pretty top tier in-house and outside counsel who would know exactly how to deal with such a situation and many of whom might have direct access to FBI officials?  How do you not get them involved, unless you just want to bury the whole thing so that they take the field that Fall in what was supposed to be a national championship run?

Instead you just bury it and let it continue?  Quietly contact your star player's "mentor" back in PA?  Go back to your office and read your bible and put it in Jesus' hands?  Because that's exactly what he did when his players were involved in this allegedly "dangerous" situation.

As for the NCAA compliance document, he signed it after knowing that his best players were involved in the swag for tats dealing.  That's not something that would have slipped his mind.  After it came out, he specifically lied to his employer TWICE about having any prior knowledge of it.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/6/2014 11:23:01 AM 
" Even Tressel-haters don't call the man stupid."

I won't call him stupid as his IQ is likely much higher than mine.  However, it appears he lacks true wisdom.  Because of him solely, a group of athletes had their season football record turned to all loses.  Then they had to sit out BigT championship potential and post season honors and continue to suffer with a loss of recruiting capability to restock the shelves.  A man of wisdom would have know the likely consequences and not have caused these young men to suffer after they had put their faith in him by signing to be Buckeyes vs other numerous options. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/6/2014 12:41:05 PM 
And as for the use of university e-mail systems, I believe that the shady lawyer contacted Tressel first, thus initiating what e-mail system would be used for their correspondence.  After that, it went to university e-mail archives where the graduate student doing an unrelated search discovered them and turned them over to university lawyers who turned the matter over to the ncaa.  For all we know, Tressel did attempt to delete them off his personal computer not realizing that everything was automatically archived.

Again, even after the initial scandal of memorabilia for tattoos broke, Tressel LIED about any prior knowledge to the university.  After his e-mails were discovered, he was again asked, and he LIED again.  These are facts.  Not conjecture.  Not the word of friends of his.  Not the wishful thinking of Christians incapable of seeing fault in one of their own.  Facts.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/6/2014 12:46:00 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
" Even Tressel-haters don't call the man stupid."

I won't call him stupid as his IQ is likely much higher than mine.  However, it appears he lacks true wisdom.  Because of him solely, a group of athletes had their season football record turned to all loses.  Then they had to sit out BigT championship potential and post season honors and continue to suffer with a loss of recruiting capability to restock the shelves.  A man of wisdom would have know the likely consequences and not have caused these young men to suffer after they had put their faith in him by signing to be Buckeyes vs other numerous options. 

I'm not saying the man is dumb, but that doesn't make him brilliant or even highly intelligent.  He was a football coach, not a constitutional scholar or physicist.  I think it's quite plausible that he had no clue that those e-mails were being automatically archived on a server where he couldn't delete them and was arrogant (an arrogant football coach, who would think?) enough to believe that he could get away with it.  And he would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that meddling kid and his e-mail searches.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/6/2014 3:30:06 PM 
OUPride wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
" Even Tressel-haters don't call the man stupid."

I won't call him stupid as his IQ is likely much higher than mine.  However, it appears he lacks true wisdom.  Because of him solely, a group of athletes had their season football record turned to all loses.  Then they had to sit out BigT championship potential and post season honors and continue to suffer with a loss of recruiting capability to restock the shelves.  A man of wisdom would have know the likely consequences and not have caused these young men to suffer after they had put their faith in him by signing to be Buckeyes vs other numerous options. 

I'm not saying the man is dumb, but that doesn't make him brilliant or even highly intelligent.  He was a football coach, not a constitutional scholar or physicist.  I think it's quite plausible that he had no clue that those e-mails were being automatically archived on a server where he couldn't delete them and was arrogant (an arrogant football coach, who would think?) enough to believe that he could get away with it.  And he would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that meddling kid and his e-mail searches.

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/7/2014 8:58:10 AM 
OUPride wrote:
Not the wishful thinking of Christians incapable of seeing fault in one of their own.  Facts.

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/7/2014 8:59:55 AM 
Crain's Cleveland examines the Tressel candidacy.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/7/2014 1:02:47 PM 
Hank Kingsley wrote:
I know two (2) people, one well and the other an acquaintance, who both know Jim Tressel personally.  They have nothing but great things to say about him.  So, from the start, I am putting it out that I am biased in regards to this topic.

Right around the time of the scandal, a former Ohio State starting lineman was arrested for drug trafficking.  In addition, an Ohio State recruit from Youngstown had recently been shot in what was assumed to be drug/gang related violence. 

When considering  those issues, it puts the emails to Tressel in a different light IMO.  The emails basically said that a federal drug trafficking investigation into the tattoo parlor had uncovered Ohio State athletic memorabilia, including items previously owned by players x, y and z.  

My first concern in that situation would be drugs, violence, harm and death.  The items would be nothing to me besides their use in connecting which players were associating with this potentially violent person or group of people.  The emails made no mention as to how the items ended up at the parlor or whether they were sold, traded or simply gifted to the parlor.  Reading those emails you see - FEDERAL INVESTIGATION, DRUGS, TRAFFICKING, VIOLENCE, PRISON.  Remember, you know the young men personally and care about them.

My first move would be to contact the alpha player involved or the person that could influence or sway the alpha player.  Obviously, if I had no regard for the program, I would contact all of the players and their families.  However, if worried about the health of the program, I would try to keep my contact to one (1) or two (2) people who could take care of the situation.  Because, even without concern for NCAA violations, the players' connection to drug trafficking alone would be worth keeping out of the rumor mill, or worse yet, the news airwaves.  

If my first move failed, I would then meet with all of the players to tell them to stay away from these characters and we would also have a long conversation about who they associate with and other life-choices.  I may also make them "think" about it before or after practice with added physical activities.  I played a non-lucrative college sport and saw illegal actions, university student code violations and team rules violations punished in-house without publicity and without the involvement of the NCAA, the university higher-ups or law enforcement. 

As for the signed compliance documents, which are the most damning IMO, people tend to refer to that act as some grand event where Tressel made this paramount decision to sign documents stating that he does not know of any NCAA violations.  However, I am certain the documents were part of a much larger and standard package of documents that nearly every coach in America simply rubber stamps and moves off of their desks.  Further, imagine the number of rumors and behind-closed-doors matters that every head coach deals with each year.  Did this particular event stand out at the time the document was signed?  I doubt it.

In addition, as an attorney, if a government agency were to annually put a stack of standard documents on my desk requiring me, among numerous other things, to affirm that I am not aware of any state or federal violations committed by any client during the past year, I would sign and affirm.  If I were having a beer with friends and was asked the same thing, I would say, "[w]ell, I'm not certain of anything but this NYC international shipping company that has Tony on the payroll as a consultant, well....."  My affirmation would be truthful because I do not know anything for certain.  It would be foolish of me to do anything but sign the documents.  At the same time, common sense allows reasonable minds to guess about the missing pieces.

As far as looking the other way: I am almost positive Tressel did look the other way.  I am also almost positive that 99% (being conservative) of the other coaches do the same thing and are certainly not seeking out rumors and news about violators.  Division 1 NCAA athletics is a black market industry - you have to hustle to survive.  One is not looking to Barney Fife the players in the program (That's jaywalking!)

I'll end this ridiculously long post with this:  How many savvy cheaters/rule violators communicate via email, let alone work/state email?  Sounds like the work of a naive Grandpa or a newbie to me.  Even Tressel-haters don't call the man stupid.  If knowingly cheating, sending emails about this topic via the osu.edu email address is entirely stupid. 

Anyway, the next time your child breaks a law of any kind, felony, misdemeanor or violation, remember to turn him or her over to the relevant government authorities.  With their unbiased and arms-length perspective, they will more appropriately manage the severity of punishment for your child.  They know better than you.

 


Regarding the highlighted text:  It's definitely a valid excuse that the documents were part of a larger package of documents.  In related news, it's okay to lie under oath/in court if the lie is just a small part of a larger package of testimony.

I don't know all the facts and circumstances of the Tressel situation.  But if you're going to discuss it, at least do it with some reasonable regard for the truth and decency.



 


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/9/2014 11:12:34 AM 

Pataskala wrote:
Crain's Cleveland examines the Tressel candidacy.

 Interesting

Pretty clear this move would be extremely unpopular with the "academia" types
 

I think it is obvious that if Akron moves forward with Tressel that isn't the board's intent... Hiring Tressel would go with the crowd who believe the President is less about running the academics and more about acting like a visible showman for the University.
 

The biggest thing Tressel does for Akron is stir up interest from apathetic alumni. Many of those alums love Tressel because they support Ohio State. Getting those alumni interested in UA is what I view as the largest motive for the UA trustees pushing the Tressel move.
 

Tressel did not move to Akron for his current position. This is his goal. Based on the other moves the trustees at Akron have made the last decade, I think this thing might just happen.

Last Edited: 4/9/2014 11:18:06 AM by The Optimist


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/9/2014 11:50:16 AM 
Since apparently anyone can be a university president, so long as they raise enough money, here's a list of future candidates once Rod hangs up the robe:

- "Whiplash" - the rodeo monkey that rides on a dog
- Nancy Cartwright - Lets get our hands on some of that Scientology money! The L Ron Hubbard Convocation Center!
- Rufus himself!

Seriously though, how pathetic is Akron? They want to make TOSU's disgraced ex-Football coach their university president!
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   Posted: 4/9/2014 11:54:07 AM 
The Optimist wrote:

Pataskala wrote:
Crain's Cleveland examines the Tressel candidacy.

 Interesting

Pretty clear this move would be extremely unpopular with the "academia" types
 

I think it is obvious that if Akron moves forward with Tressel that isn't the board's intent... Hiring Tressel would go with the crowd who believe the President is less about running the academics and more about acting like a visible showman for the University.
 

The biggest thing Tressel does for Akron is stir up interest from apathetic alumni. Many of those alums love Tressel because they support Ohio State. Getting those alumni interested in UA is what I view as the largest motive for the UA trustees pushing the Tressel move.
 

Tressel did not move to Akron for his current position. This is his goal. Based on the other moves the trustees at Akron have made the last decade, I think this thing might just happen.


I don't like Tressel, but I do believe that there is one key component that a lot of people are overlooking that would make this decision somewhat logical.  UA is a financial mess.  The last President has been spending money like a drunken sailor for a decade trying to turn the place into something that it was never intended to be, and quite frankly, it was idiotic for the state to save it and fold it into the system in the 60s when it was already operating a four year university 30 miles away.  Anyways, UA is headed off a financial cliff that the new President is going to have to deal with and who better to go down to Columbus with his hat in hand and lobby the football obsessed legislators for the inevitable bailout than Tressel.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/9/2014 12:41:50 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Hank Kingsley wrote:
I know two (2) people, one well and the other an acquaintance, who both know Jim Tressel personally.  They have nothing but great things to say about him.  So, from the start, I am putting it out that I am biased in regards to this topic.

Right around the time of the scandal, a former Ohio State starting lineman was arrested for drug trafficking.  In addition, an Ohio State recruit from Youngstown had recently been shot in what was assumed to be drug/gang related violence. 

When considering  those issues, it puts the emails to Tressel in a different light IMO.  The emails basically said that a federal drug trafficking investigation into the tattoo parlor had uncovered Ohio State athletic memorabilia, including items previously owned by players x, y and z.  

My first concern in that situation would be drugs, violence, harm and death.  The items would be nothing to me besides their use in connecting which players were associating with this potentially violent person or group of people.  The emails made no mention as to how the items ended up at the parlor or whether they were sold, traded or simply gifted to the parlor.  Reading those emails you see - FEDERAL INVESTIGATION, DRUGS, TRAFFICKING, VIOLENCE, PRISON.  Remember, you know the young men personally and care about them.

My first move would be to contact the alpha player involved or the person that could influence or sway the alpha player.  Obviously, if I had no regard for the program, I would contact all of the players and their families.  However, if worried about the health of the program, I would try to keep my contact to one (1) or two (2) people who could take care of the situation.  Because, even without concern for NCAA violations, the players' connection to drug trafficking alone would be worth keeping out of the rumor mill, or worse yet, the news airwaves.  

If my first move failed, I would then meet with all of the players to tell them to stay away from these characters and we would also have a long conversation about who they associate with and other life-choices.  I may also make them "think" about it before or after practice with added physical activities.  I played a non-lucrative college sport and saw illegal actions, university student code violations and team rules violations punished in-house without publicity and without the involvement of the NCAA, the university higher-ups or law enforcement. 

As for the signed compliance documents, which are the most damning IMO, people tend to refer to that act as some grand event where Tressel made this paramount decision to sign documents stating that he does not know of any NCAA violations.  However, I am certain the documents were part of a much larger and standard package of documents that nearly every coach in America simply rubber stamps and moves off of their desks.  Further, imagine the number of rumors and behind-closed-doors matters that every head coach deals with each year.  Did this particular event stand out at the time the document was signed?  I doubt it.

In addition, as an attorney, if a government agency were to annually put a stack of standard documents on my desk requiring me, among numerous other things, to affirm that I am not aware of any state or federal violations committed by any client during the past year, I would sign and affirm.  If I were having a beer with friends and was asked the same thing, I would say, "[w]ell, I'm not certain of anything but this NYC international shipping company that has Tony on the payroll as a consultant, well....."  My affirmation would be truthful because I do not know anything for certain.  It would be foolish of me to do anything but sign the documents.  At the same time, common sense allows reasonable minds to guess about the missing pieces.

As far as looking the other way: I am almost positive Tressel did look the other way.  I am also almost positive that 99% (being conservative) of the other coaches do the same thing and are certainly not seeking out rumors and news about violators.  Division 1 NCAA athletics is a black market industry - you have to hustle to survive.  One is not looking to Barney Fife the players in the program (That's jaywalking!)

I'll end this ridiculously long post with this:  How many savvy cheaters/rule violators communicate via email, let alone work/state email?  Sounds like the work of a naive Grandpa or a newbie to me.  Even Tressel-haters don't call the man stupid.  If knowingly cheating, sending emails about this topic via the osu.edu email address is entirely stupid. 

Anyway, the next time your child breaks a law of any kind, felony, misdemeanor or violation, remember to turn him or her over to the relevant government authorities.  With their unbiased and arms-length perspective, they will more appropriately manage the severity of punishment for your child.  They know better than you.

 


Regarding the highlighted text:  It's definitely a valid excuse that the documents were part of a larger package of documents.  In related news, it's okay to lie under oath/in court if the lie is just a small part of a larger package of testimony.

I don't know all the facts and circumstances of the Tressel situation.  But if you're going to discuss it, at least do it with some reasonable regard for the truth and decency.



 


When it comes to NCAA Compliance, I can assure you it does not just come in "a stack of other documents that he simply rubber stamps and moves off his desk." That's now how Compliance works in the NCAA. They take that sutff seriously.

The Compliance people are the most hated people in an athletic department. It's a main reason why (A) no one wants to go into that field, (B) why it's easier to get a job in that field and (C) why people try to get out of that field. They don't just do things all willy nilly in Compliance. That's serious stuff and Tressel didn't take it seriously.

Now, he may have simply rubber stamped it and taken it off his desk. But don't try to pretend like he didn't even see the darn thing. Are you kidding me?
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   Posted: 4/9/2014 1:00:33 PM 
OUPride wrote:
... Anyways, UA is headed off a financial cliff that the new President is going to have to deal with and who better to go down to Columbus with his hat in hand and lobby the football obsessed legislators for the inevitable bailout than Tressel.

Logical reasoning.

GoCats105 wrote:
When it comes to NCAA Compliance, I can assure you it does not just come in "a stack of other documents that he simply rubber stamps and moves off his desk." That's now how Compliance works in the NCAA. They take that sutff seriously. ...

I presume the highlighted word should have been "not"?


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Correct.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 6:51:58 PM 
Per Arkley, Tressel applies for Presidency of Youngstown State.


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   Posted: 4/11/2014 10:53:55 PM 
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Per Arkley, Tressel applies for Presidency of Youngstown State.

The man is still a god in Youngstown. His name is on their IPF. He was inducted into the YSU hall of fame last year and received a five minute standing ovation at halftime of the football game. People in the Mahoning Valley have been wanting him to take this role since YSU's last president retired (their current president has only been there seven months). The area is already buzzing about his application. No doubt he'd be able to raise a lot of money for the school as president.

 
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   Posted: 4/12/2014 10:58:27 AM 
Tyler wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Per Arkley, Tressel applies for Presidency of Youngstown State.

The man is still a god in Youngstown. His name is on their IPF. He was inducted into the YSU hall of fame last year and received a five minute standing ovation at halftime of the football game. People in the Mahoning Valley have been wanting him to take this role since YSU's last president retired (their current president has only been there seven months). The area is already buzzing about his application. No doubt he'd be able to raise a lot of money for the school as president.

I'm really curious as to how much money this guy can raise.  Can he generate some excitement among existing donors and alumni and perhaps get them to give a little bit more?  Sure, I can see that.  The notion that he is going to create this whole new donor base for a university though is ludicrous.  Ohio State alumni are not suddenly going to start cutting checks to YSU because their disgraced football coach is the President there, and the OSU t-shirt alums who worship Tressel don't even donate to OSU.  I think his impact is going to be marginal.  Giving might go up a bit, but he's not going to take YSU to some entire other level of university fundraising.

 
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   Posted: 4/12/2014 12:19:17 PM 
I don't think the aim is to get OSU alumni to send checks.

It is to get YSU/Akron alumni who root for OSU to send checks.

I think he will raise substantial money. Tressel's name may be disgraced in some parts of the nation, but northeastern Ohio is not one of those places.

 


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   Posted: 4/12/2014 12:37:00 PM 
Optimist on multiple occasions, including in the chat room, has insisted that a Tressel presidency at Akron is a done deal.  Now we'll see if he is right, but I'm thinking this latest news is an indication he's not.

 
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   Posted: 4/12/2014 1:15:36 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
I don't think the aim is to get OSU alumni to send checks.

It is to get YSU/Akron alumni who root for OSU to send checks.

I think he will raise substantial money. Tressel's name may be disgraced in some parts of the nation, but northeastern Ohio is not one of those places.

 

Are we just talking about athletics?  Again, I highly doubt that those YSU/Akron alums who are t-shirt bucknuts are donating to Ohio State.  If they are donating to their school, great, but how much more are they going to give.  And what do you consider "substantial?"  A marginal increase of the existing small donor base?  A jump into Ohio/Miami/UC leagues?  Big Ten type fundraising?

And how deep is the potential in any event.  Neither school has a deep well of wealthy alumni.  Neither school has a national alumni base.  Neither school has ever been a significant fundraiser in the past, and I highly doubt simply hiring a football coach will change that.   Sure he might be able to squeeze a little more money out of existing channels, but I think it is purely speculative to think he can suddenly take schools that have never raised much money into the past and vault them into the next level much less the big time.

 
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   Posted: 4/12/2014 3:12:44 PM 
SBH wrote:
Optimist on multiple occasions, including in the chat room, has insisted that a Tressel presidency at Akron is a done deal. Now we'll see if he is right, but I'm thinking this latest news is an indication he's not.


I remember it a little differently, SBH.

A discussion came up in chat mentioning Tressel to YSU as President a couple months back and I stated that the U of Akron Presidency was where his real interest was. You dismissed this entirely.

A month later, he applied to the Akron job. At this point in the chat I stated that the board of trustees at Akron had a real interest in Tressel and that he had been pushing for this job for a couple years. You stated there was no chance he would get the job.

Contrary to your belief that the YSU application is an indication he is not interested in the Akron job, I view the application to YSU not as a sign he won't end up at Akron, but rather a sign that Tressel's push to become a President at a University is very real. There is interest for the vest among multiple boards who believe he will stir up $$$$$$$$$$$ for their schools. The push against him is coming from academia. The professors don't like it at all. Who will win that battle? As I said on multiple occasions, my gut says Tressel to Akron. Why? $$$. And as I've said, he has been pushing for this for years.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT-Tressel to Akron
   Posted: 4/12/2014 3:22:44 PM 
OUPride wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
I don't think the aim is to get OSU alumni to send checks.

It is to get YSU/Akron alumni who root for OSU to send checks.

I think he will raise substantial money. Tressel's name may be disgraced in some parts of the nation, but northeastern Ohio is not one of those places.



Are we just talking about athletics? Again, I highly doubt that those YSU/Akron alums who are t-shirt bucknuts are donating to Ohio State. If they are donating to their school, great, but how much more are they going to give. And what do you consider "substantial?" A marginal increase of the existing small donor base? A jump into Ohio/Miami/UC leagues? Big Ten type fundraising?

And how deep is the potential in any event. Neither school has a deep well of wealthy alumni. Neither school has a national alumni base. Neither school has ever been a significant fundraiser in the past, and I highly doubt simply hiring a football coach will change that. Sure he might be able to squeeze a little more money out of existing channels, but I think it is purely speculative to think he can suddenly take schools that have never raised much money into the past and vault them into the next level much less the big time.


I'm not talking just athletics. I'm talking big $$$ for all areas of the University. If this happens, it'll be because it is a splashy hire they believe will bring in significant $$$.

I don't think Akron or YSU is looking for national giving to increase. I think they are looking for increased donations from their local alumni who have a great deal of respect for Tressel. This also has nothing to do with anyone giving money/not giving money to OSU.

"Substantial" increase as in 10's to 100's of millions. Whether that can happen, debate away... No debating both schools could use that money. The thought that JT could bring that, that is why his name is in the running.


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