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The Optimist
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/6/2014 11:43:21 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/02/06/new-indoor-practice-facility-attracts-recruits.html

Good stuff.

From Day 1, I really got the sense Solich felt he could really up recruiting with an IPF on campus. As frustrating as this year was to watch, I really am excited to see what he can do with the program with the new resources he has gained here recently..

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 11:08:04 AM

You can cover up 'Heated Amtrak conversation' off your BobcatAttack.com bingo card I passed out in 2006. It was a long wait, but we got it.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 11:51:15 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

Well, I'm sorry I don't live in right places, but I've had many experiences with Amtrak trains running ridiculously off schedule. My daughter and son-in-law recently took an Amtrak train from NYC to Charleston, W.Va. and it was over two hours late. My wife and I once took an Amtrak train from Pittsburgh to NYC and it was very late as well. So, please don't lecture me on Amtrak. I'm so pleased that they are able to do "short distances" with some degree of credibility. Overall, it's a national shame.

I tend to agree with you, and certainly didn't intend to lecture, but you did

Well, you called what I said an "Urban Legend." It seemed like you were lecturing me and saying that I was out of touch. I apologize if I overreacted to your comment. I'm sitting here at home with a sprained ankle from a slip on the ice yesterday and I'll admit to being a little edgy.

You've definitely called out multiple people for believing anecdotal evidence instead of actual data and you're guilty of that here. On the Northeast Corridor Amtrak is on-time between 80 to 85% of the time. Some lines have over 95% on-time rate. You can't draw conclusions about the entire system based on your limited experience with the service.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 12:07:53 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

You can cover up 'Heated Amtrak conversation' off your BobcatAttack.com bingo card I passed out in 2006. It was a long wait, but we got it.

Ah yes, just below "Nelsonville Bypass completion date" and above "Parking Services Blows".

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 1:28:51 PM

DelBobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

I tend to agree with you, and certainly didn't intend to lecture, but you did

"If ONE more person posts about Amtrak on this football thread, I'm going to..."

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 4:46:41 PM

"...find somebody who carries a big stick."

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 4:58:50 PM

Up until now, OUr practice facilities were like being in a "Third World Country".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCdxLPHzeEk

The Optimist
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 5:22:43 PM

MedinaCat wrote:

Brian Smith wrote:

You can cover up 'Heated Amtrak conversation' off your BobcatAttack.com bingo card I passed out in 2006. It was a long wait, but we got it.

Ah yes, just below "Nelsonville Bypass completion date" and above "Parking Services Blows".

Also of the transportation variety on the card: "Bowl game shuttle service," "RV parking" and my personal favorite "Bahamas Travel Packages sold-out"

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/7/2014 10:51:38 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

NATIONAL SHAME?! What a ridiculous statement. More right-wing myths as fact.

My wife and I took an Amtrak train across the country for our honeymoon. Chicago->Seattle, Seattle->Portland, Portland->LA.

The best vacation we've ever taken. Everyone should do it once.

Last Edited: 2/7/2014 10:54:10 PM by Paul Graham

OhioCatFan
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 12:17:48 AM

Paul Graham wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

Have your ever taken a train in Germany or the UK? Those dudes really know how to run a railroad system. I remember one experience outside Olm, Germany, when the train was going to be five minutes late getting to the next station. The conductor and engineer were on the PA system apologizing profusely for the delay. I turned to the man next to me and said that in the U.S. if a train was only five minutes late we'd declare a national holiday. This was in 1991, just after unification. Yes, compared to European RRs, Amtrak is a national disgrace. Either we ought to put the bucks into running a truly national train system or quit pretending. I'm old enough to remember when we had a good private railroad system (with great service to Athens), and I remember seeing the concerted efforts made by "Big Rail" to make the passenger system as unprofitable as possible, so that they could abandon it and concentrate on freight. Well, it was Eisenhower who first proposed the Interstate Highway System, so maybe the next GOP president will purpose a truly national railway system. A system like they have in the UK, which as I understand it, has the government owning the rail lines and private companies owning the trains and RR corporations might work here, but there are other models as well that might work. Why don't we look at solving problems rather than throwing around political labels?

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 1:36:48 AM

This thread might be getting on a train to somewhere really cold.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 6:43:04 AM

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

This thread might be getting on a train to somewhere really cold.

What, are you detecting baiting or name calling? Not on this playground, surely not.

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Paul Graham
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 12:35:34 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

I only mention political labels because opinions on this subject tend to cluster along those lines. Also, frankly, I get defensive when people bash Amtrak because of our honeymoon on the train. My wife has a giant tattoo of an Amtrak train on her thigh...that's how much fun we had :)

Yes, I took a train this year from Prague to Berlin and it was on time and no doubt better than the typical Amtrak run. However, I think on the east coast where Amtrak is more heavily used, they are more reliable.

And its not a public vs. private debate. I've taken a (public) CTA train to work for the last 8 years and I love it.

colobobcat66
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 1:35:08 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

this is getting way too personal, but hey it's Bobcat attack so you never know what's going to come up here. Anyway, I've had plenty of bad experiences on European trains, everything from 2-3 hours late, lousy stations and poor AC and air circulation. But overall they're pretty good and way better than Amtrak. But when you can get around to so many countries in so short a time in Europe it makes sense to have a great rail system.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 2:39:35 PM

Let's compare apples to apples. In Europe, rail travel is a convienent and acceptable way to travel, while in the US it's the ugly stepchild. The investment into the European system far outweighs that of rain in America as we'd rather lay asphalt and concrete while burning fossil fuels at an alarming rate.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 4:15:06 PM

last word on trains...

http://youtu.be/JW1uSmCpQhM

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 4:52:22 PM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

last word on trains...

http://youtu.be/JW1uSmCpQhM

Great way to end the debate, but couldn't you have found a video with more people in the stands!

Mike Johnson
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/8/2014 5:18:01 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The breaking news would be if a construction project actually finished when it was originally scheduled to finish. It's as rare as an Amtrak train running on time.

Actually most short distance Amtrak trains are on time, probably not a great example, but good urban legend.

I think you've touched on a relevant factor in the quality of rail service. We in the States are a car-grounded culture. Europe possesses much more of a rail-grounded culture, and I tend to think that makes an appreciable difference.

Yes,I've ridden trains in Europe - UK, Belgium, Netherlands, France, etc. Consistently reliable service.

My favorite European rail memory. My late wife Lynne and I were training from Paris east to Colmar and had to change trains in Strasbourg. (This was before the introduction of a TGV run from Paris to Zurich without having to change trains in Strasbourg, Colmar or Basel.)

In Strasbourg we knew we would have only 10 minutes to make our connection to Colmar. Lynne's disease had her able to walk only slowly. As our train was slowing in Strasbourg station, I told her not to worry, that if we missed our connection another train would be along in another hour or so.

As we exited the train, Lynne said, "Go ahead."

I walked briskly to the platform for our connecting train. At the time you had to walk up a steep flight of stairs to reach the platform. No elevator or escalator (that has since changed). At the top of the stairs I saw four blue-uniformed train personnel chatting. I decided to dispense with my rudimentary French and said in English, "My wife is ill and is coming along behind me."

Without hesitating, one of the train personnel said, "We will hold the train."

They did.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/10/2014 5:49:59 PM

Interesting column in today's Post where the editorial normally appears:

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/college-matt-ers-athleti...

Last Edited: 2/10/2014 5:50:17 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/10/2014 6:47:21 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Interesting column in today's Post where the editorial normally appears:

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/college-matt-ers-athleti...

Alan, Thanks for posting the article. However, the person who wrote the editorial should understand that the growth of Medicaid is hurting state funding for education more than athletics.

In 1980, Medicaid represented 16.9% of state spending for Ohio. In 2008 it grew to 38% and in 2013 it reached 50.2%. Most other states were in the 23 to 30% area last year. This increase is not because of the Affordable Care Act which is just now beginning in Ohio. In the future however, the State of Ohio will lose the Federal subsidies.

Part of the problem is that the majority of any state Medicaid budget is that about 18 to 20% of the individuals access Medicaid primarily for Chronic / Long-Term Care. About 40% of this is spent for Nursing Home Care.. If you add the acute care these individuals receive in addition to their chronic care, 20% of the participants account for 60% of all Medicaid spending. The problem this creates is that for the past couple of decades acute care providers through Medicaid normally take a loss and cost shift those losses to private pay patients and is then shifted to insurance companies who shift the cost to employers and individuals who purchased medical insurance in the past.

Ohio tried an experiment where they provide Medicaid care at home for chronic care instead of a nursing home. At first glance, it seems to make sense because it might reduce the outlay by the state. The problem is that it makes Medicaid planning more appealing and allows those with a high net worth to shift their estate into non-countable assets such as life insurance and annuities. Most States also protect $506,000.00 in home Equity for a community spouse when they should allow the spouse to remain in the home, but require a reverse mortgage to pay for the care instead of tax payers.

The person who drove this legislation is Senator Armond Budish who makes his money as a Medicaid Planner. With the new Medicaid homecare program, it helps make his services more appealing since an individual feels they can get the state to pay for their care at home instead of self-insuring and/or purchasing LTC Insurance.

I hope I did not offend anyone and I know that politics are not supposed to be discussed on the board, but I thought this was fair game since the person who wrote the opinion column was placing so much emphasis on athletic budgets.

Sources:

2008: http://blog.cleveland.com/medical/2008/07/metro_medicaidmess.pdf

1980 and 2013:
http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2013/10/16/senate-president-suggests-kasich-bankrupt-ohio-medicaid-program

http://www.budishandsolomon.com/CM/ElderLaw/MedicaidPlanning.asp

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/10/2014 9:35:54 PM

Anyone know what the "BCS" conference schools charge students in general fees towards athletics? Does OSU for example charge students a lot more to fund their program, or is it not necessary due to the many other revenue sources they have to draw from? And are we way out of line with other MAC schools? I honestly have no idea.

I for one enjoy athletics and think they are an important part of campus life and great exposure for the university, so I don't have a problem with contributing (reasonably) to the facilities we need to compete in our conference. There's a million other ripoffs that students face at college that you can point out, so this article seems like easy pickens on athletics without much basis for comparison.

Last Edited: 2/10/2014 9:39:06 PM by BuddyLee

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/10/2014 9:56:15 PM

Quote:

According to the Knight Commission, institutional funding for Athletics per athlete has gone up 102 percent between 2005 and 2011. In contrast, academic spending per full-time equivalent student has stagnated at a measly 8 percent growth during those years.

A disclaimer though: I do not think student athlete scholarships should be touched. I have respect for my peers who are student athletes, and if anything, their compensation should probably be increased.

How much has tuition increased from 2005 to 2011?

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/11/2014 1:06:46 AM

Not 100+%

Mike Coleman
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/11/2014 6:24:04 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Not 100+%

http://www.ohio.edu/instres/factbook/tuitroom.html

Looked it up. Big jump, but factoring in semesters, closer to 30%.

Last Edited: 2/11/2014 6:28:03 AM by Mike Coleman

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 2/11/2014 8:11:21 AM

BuddyLee wrote:

OSU is one of the few (probably 10%) of athletic departments in the country that actually makes money. They don't need to pull general fees from students. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they still do it.

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