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Topic: RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Topic: RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

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Paul Graham
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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/26/2013 8:46:22 PM

L.C. wrote:

Let's look at Kristoff. He "started" games in 2011 and 2012 at SS when Hughes was hurt or not available. Other than walkons, there weren't really any other players listed at SS. This year was his first year as the real "starter". Should he have started, or do you think Ingol or Toran Davis were better?

I would have like to have seen either of those two get a shot. I saw very little of Macer and Davis was non-existent outside of kickoff duty. Its hard to say that they would perform better, but there's little chance they could perform significantly worse...at least in pass coverage.

L.C. wrote:

Next let's look at TT. Yes, there were times he wasn't playing that well, but, on the whole, I don't think Vick would have been better. Perhaps in time Vick will be a better QB than TT, but at this point, he just isn't there yet.

We'll never know what really happened with TT, but at times I wonder if his removal wouldn't have been a net positive, even if the play at QB suffered.

L.C. wrote:

Finally, what about Russell? Should Blair Brown have been starting? When Brown was hurt, then who? Or, do you think they would have been better off moving Moore back to MLB, and starting Jovon Johnson at WLB?

How would I know, since we never saw Brown. I don't even know what number he wears. That's pretty strange considering he got major kudos from Arkley all last year, and our play in the middle of the field was very bad. And yes, moving Moore back could have been an option. Keeping Johnson on the field certainly makes us more athletic.

L.C. wrote:

All these three positions have one thing in common - they had little depth this year.

That's fair to say for MLB but not true for QB and safety. We've brought in lots of safeties over the years (Macer, Davis, Alexander). If Kristoff, Carpenter and Hughes are our best options then we are trouble...and it showed this year. And Vick has been baking in the oven for 3 years...he should be fully cooked.

The part that concerns me most is that some of these guys just aren't athletic when compared with other teams in the conference. I'm watching BG tonight and Carpenter is the size of Boo Boo Gates' leg. BG's defense just looks sooo much more bigger, stronger, faster. Its either a strength and conditioning problem, or a recruiting problem and I can't tell which.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 7:59:19 AM

C Money wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

You seem to think Clark will arrive and be like Marcellis #62 when he walks through the door. I am not there on him. Clark had 19 ttl tkls, 5 solo and 14 assists at the juco level. This year Crutch had 50, McCloed had 38, Purdum had 30 and Tautuiaki/Davis had 27 at the D1 level. Do you really think Clark comes in and takes snaps from these men?

L.C. Thanks for the link to the stats.

Clark had me very excited when he first committed 2 years ago, because at 6'2", 320 lbs. he felt like the first true BIG MANZ-style NG we had seen in a while. We've been playing big DEs at DT and DTs at NG and trying to survive. Now Clark is up to 6'5", 365 lbs, and yeah I think he'll steal some snaps at NG because he's a mountain. Maybe he's lazy and won't work hard and will fail to impress the coaches. But he's getting playing time at JUCO, so I don't think that's the case.

I spent a few minutes tooling around the site LC linked, and one thing I couldn't find that I would be interested in seeing is his team's defensive rankings. A big NG might not have a whole lot of individual stats because he is going to be double and triple teamed pretty often. But that is going to open up his teammates to make plays, and make the defense as a whole better.

365 lbs. That might explain his lack of tackles. Players that big often play reduced snaps and are limited to situational play. Very likely the very first thing to happen when Clark gets to D1 will be his appointment with a doctor/nutritionist/trainer group to get his weight under control. Against ECU it would have been difficult to substitute for a gassed 365 pounder. There have been some like the "Fridge" who have carried excess weight well, but, most seem good for only a snap or two at a time. The best thing he could do would be to report where ever he goes at about 310-320. JMHO.

Last Edited: 2/10/2014 7:12:35 AM by Bcat2

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 9:19:15 AM

Leon Alexander , Quentin Poling and Trent Smart will all be on the field next year. These guys are strong, fast and can tackle...something we need to stop the run. Too many average backs had career games this year against our defense.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 9:42:06 AM

bobcathyper wrote:

Good to know.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 10:01:21 AM

What about Joey Duckworth @ QB, 3 star recruit. Something tells me he's going to be a top MAC QB. He will be our biggest QB over these past 10 or so years.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 10:21:56 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

What about Joey Duckworth @ QB, 3 star recruit. Something tells me he's going to be a top MAC QB. He will be our biggest Qs B over these past 10 or so years.

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Duckworth is in a good place. Please let him redshirt. No way I trade what would be his true freshman contribution for what he would be as a fifth year senior. Also, with the graduation of Foster, Vick might be one of the best athletes on the roster and he will be in his fourth year with Gdowski and knows these receivers. Can anyone close to the team validate what I said about Vicks athleticism?

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 12:08:58 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Can anyone close to the team validate what I said about Vicks athleticism?

I'm not close to the team, but he lined up at receiver several times last year and we used him once (and I think we should have used him MORE this year) to quick kick on 4th down. That would suggest to me he is one of if not the most overall athletic players on the roster.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 2:45:55 PM

I realize many on here love Daz - and I love what he brings to the table - however, I do not believe he is an every- down back. I don't see someone his size getting double-digit carries each game, many between the tackles.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 4:24:03 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

71 BOBCAT wrote:

What about Joey Duckworth @ QB, 3 star recruit. Something tells me he's going to be a top MAC QB. He will be our biggest Qs B over these past 10 or so years.

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I believe Duckworth lost the second half of his junior year to injury and all of his senior season. Another reason to redshirt someone who hasn't played a meaningful football game in awhile.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/27/2013 6:41:31 PM

bobcathyper wrote:

Would love to see those 3 on the field......we need some hard hitters and some playmakers.

Also isn't QB Windham eligible to be back on the team?

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 12/30/2013 11:58:20 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

I guess that depends on how many times we want to run "Daz up the middle."

I don't think anyone here disputes that Daz is not an every down back, but he can be a Chris Garrett-type who is dangerous with the ball in his hands in open space in one-on-one situations. I dont care if he's lining up at WR, RB, QB, TE or C, give him the dang ball.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/13/2014 3:22:57 PM

OUOhYeah2428 wrote:

There's always next year and here's my best guess...

Offense
QB - Vick, Spraque, Duckworth
RB - Patterson, Edmond, Brown, Irons,White
WR - Cochran,C. Brown,Cope
WR - S. Smith, Dixon, Wyatt
WR - L. Smith, Reid, Sawyer, Walker
TE - Mangen, Morgan, Henry
LT - McQueen,Murdock
LG - Lucas, Lagenkamp
C - Powell,Everhart
RG - Wood,McCray,Williams
RT - Watson,Lowery

Defense
DE - Basham, Sayles
NG - Crutcher, Tautaki, Porter, Aloese
DT - McCleod, Purdum, T. Davis
DE - Laseak, K. Smith
SLB - Johnson, Moore
MLB - Russell, Schany
WLB - B. Brown,Grilliot
CB - Bass, Brown,Ellis,Layton
CB - Wells, Stewart,Harris
SS - Kristoff, Macer, Alexander
FS - Ingol, Toran Davis
Nickel - Carpenter, Scipio, D. Jones

I tweeked L.C.'s original list. Guys have decided not to come back...some injured....and after watching the spring game I think some true freshmen may see depth time on the OL.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/13/2014 3:54:28 PM

No sign of Cameron WIlson or Brennan Boland on that list?

I wonder if they will release an end-of-Spring depth chart? They haven't in recent years, but I think most schools do.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/13/2014 3:58:16 PM

L.C. wrote:

No sign of Cameron WIlson or Brennan Boland on that list?

I wonder if they will release an end-of-Spring depth chart? They haven't in recent years, but I think most schools do.

Just forgot em....they will play a bunch .

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/14/2014 12:48:30 PM

Didn't make the game. Did William Johnson play? If so would he factor in on the 2 deep at OLB'?

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:48:18 PM

OUOhYeah2428 wrote:

There's always next year and here's my best guess...

Offense
QB - Vick, Spraque, Leffingwell, Windham, Duckworth
RB - Patterson, Edmond, Brown, Irons, White
WR - Cochran, Rodriguez, Cope, Walker
WR - S. Smith, C. Wilson, Dixon, Wyatt
WR - L. Smith, Reid, Sawyer, C. Brown
TE - Mangen, Morgan, Boland
LT - McQueen, Murdock
LG - Lucas, Everhart
C - Powell, Lagenkamp
RG - Wood, Gibbons, McCray
RT - Watson, Lowery

Defense
DE - Basham, Sayles
NG - Crutcher, Tautaki, Porter, Aloese
DT - McCleod, Purdum, T. Davis
DE - Laseak, K. Smith, Smart
SLB - Johnson, Moore
MLB - Russell, Schany
WLB - B. Brown, Grillot
CB - Bass, Brown, Ellis, Layton
CB - Wells, Stewart, Harris
SS - Kristoff, Macer, Alexander
FS - Ingol, Toran Davis
Nickel - Carpenter, Scipio, D. Jones

Roster changing. 2006 roster had four athletes 6'5" or bigger, current roster has 10, five at 6'5" and five at 6'6".

Mr. Haser is one I expect to play an important role in the beginning of the season.

Last Edited: 4/16/2014 8:10:27 AM by Bcat2

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/16/2014 10:52:25 PM

Basham gonn' have big year.

(this is probably not a bolt of genius; seems obvious)

Last Edited: 4/16/2014 10:53:25 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/23/2014 9:22:40 AM

Doc Bobcat wrote:

OUOhYeah2428 wrote:

I tweeked L.C.'s original list. Guys have decided not to come back...some injured....and after watching the spring game I think some true freshmen may see depth time on the OL.

You forgot Leavitt and multiple guys that are incoming freshman on defense.... I'm only seeing Layton in the secondary correct me if I'm wrong. But usually you'll see a couple more guys on the defensive side of the ball at LB or in the secondary get PT as freshman (mostly special teams)
Anyone know about how Corey Quallan did this spring?

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/23/2014 12:46:36 PM

Bobcat General wrote:

Doc Bobcat wrote:

OUOhYeah2428 wrote:

I tweeked L.C.'s original list. Guys have decided not to come back...some injured....and after watching the spring game I think some true freshmen may see depth time on the OL.

I think his 2 deep chart is pretty much on target especially since we have no idea how the Freshman will work out. That will depend on how quickly they pick up the playbook and everything else that goes along with being new to any program. Honestly, for the long term success of the Bobcats I would hope that none of those Freshman will even need to play. I would rather have them as 5th year seniors if possible This is where I feel you will get the absolute most out of them. With that said, I would tend to think you will see more opportunities for Freshman to step on the field on Offense. And I highly doubt Frank would burn a Redshirt to play them only on Special Teams. Not unless they are a kicker or punter.

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RE: Way too early 2014 Depth Chart

Posted: 4/23/2014 1:36:52 PM

Doc Bobcat wrote:

...I tweeked L.C.'s original list. Guys have decided not to come back...some injured....and after watching the spring game I think some true freshmen may see depth time on the OL.

Just to be clear, that isn't my list, it is from OUOhYeah2428. His list is better than what I'd have come up with, anyway.

As for the true Freshmen, if it were my list, I'd leave them all off if for now. Sure, some of them will probably play; that always happens. On the other hand, It's impossible for me to predict which of the true freshmen will find their way onto the depth chart, or how high on the depth chart they will get, so my inclination is to wait and see.

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