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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/3/2013 4:54:38 PM 
Obviously this is way too early, and obviously some players are going to surprise and move up the ranks in Spring and Fall camp, and some positions are pretty wide open anyway, and I can only guess who will be in the 2-deep. The reason for this list, though, is to show just how young the team will be next year. The fact that next year's team will have a surprisingly low number of Seniors is why I think that 2014 will most likely be a bit of an off year, and why I think 2015 will be a very, very good year. When players move up in Spring and Fall, the end result will make this even more true, and make it an even younger team. First, let's start with the list:

Offense:
LT - McQueen Jr (8), Haser Jr
LG - Lucas Jr (12), Everhart Jr
C - Powell Jr (10), M. Smith Sr
RG - Wood So (3), Gibbons So (1)
RT - Watson So (3), Curtis Jr
TE - Mangen So(2), Henry So
QB - Vick Jr, Sprague So
RB - Patterson Jr (1), Edmond Sr
WR - L. Smith Sr., Reid So
WR - Cochran Sr (5), Sawyer, Jr
WR - S. Smith, So, Wyatt Fr

Defense:
DE - Laseak So (9), K. Smith Sr (3)
DE - Basham So (3), Sayles So (1)
NG -Crutcher  Sr (12), Tautuiaki Jr
DT - Purdum Jr (8),  McLeod Sr (3)
MLB - Russell Jr (11), B. Brown So
WLB - Johnson Jr (4), Schany So
SLB/Nickle - Grady Sr (2)/Carpenter Sr(8), Atwell Sr (1)/Teipel Sr (2)/Stewart So
FS - Ingol Sr (1), Davis So
SS - Kristoff Sr (11), Macer Jr
CB - Bass Jr (9), Brown Fr
CB - Well Jr (4), Terpin Jr

Offensive Starters: 2 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 4 Sophomores
Offense 2d team: 2 Seniors, 4 Juniors, 4 Sophomores, 1 Freshman

Defense Starters: 4 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 2 Sophomores
Defense 2d Team: 1 Senior, 3 Juniors, 5 Sophomores, 1 Freshman

Thus the total 2-Deep is 9 Seniors, 17 Juniors, 15 Sophomores, and 2 Freshmen. That is a very heavy mix of Juniors and Sophomores.

Edit - I added the number of starts this year for each player. There are 17 defensive players returning who started at least one game this year, and the projected starter at each position started at least one game. Seven players return that started over half the games. By contrast the entire offense will need to be rebuilt. Only 3 players return on offense that started half the games or more, all from the offensive line.

Last Edited: 12/3/2013 8:25:11 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/3/2013 6:31:16 PM 
Looks good to me. I think Chris Murray will def. be making an instant impact at WR and Special Teams, and possibly Robbie Walker. I am a little bit concerned with the depth at running back. Hopefully the injury bug will stay away. I think Dorian Brown will get a fair amount of snaps next year too.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/3/2013 7:02:41 PM 
I hope some playmakers emerge on offense.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/3/2013 7:11:26 PM 
OUOhYeah2428 wrote:
Looks good to me. I think Chris Murray will def. be making an instant impact at WR and Special Teams, and possibly Robbie Walker. I am a little bit concerned with the depth at running back. Hopefully the injury bug will stay away. I think Dorian Brown will get a fair amount of snaps next year too.

QB, RB, WR, and DB seem like the positions where new players are most likely to have an impact. TE is another position where I can't really guess the 2-deep. Yes, play-makers need to emerge in all these critical positions if next year is going to be another winning season, which I think it will be. I deliberately left off unproven players like Murray and Dorian Brown on offense, but I agree they will play a lot, and quite probably could end up on the 2-deep.

Last Edited: 12/3/2013 7:13:21 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/3/2013 7:50:48 PM 
Will there be a Clark sighting?

I don't know who or how but we need 3-4 guys to absolutely play game in and game out at All-MAC level.

Being behind NIU, BG, Beefs, Balls, etc for so long is getting monotonous.

Gotta be OUr time.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/3/2013 10:51:10 PM 
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 12:04:50 AM 
Paul Graham wrote:
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.


Ye of little faith. Gdowski and Dixon are very good. Vick will be as good as his OL allows.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 12:07:45 AM 
L.C. wrote:
OUOhYeah2428 wrote:
Looks good to me. I think Chris Murray will def. be making an instant impact at WR and Special Teams, and possibly Robbie Walker. I am a little bit concerned with the depth at running back. Hopefully the injury bug will stay away. I think Dorian Brown will get a fair amount of snaps next year too.

QB, RB, WR, and DB seem like the positions where new players are most likely to have an impact. TE is another position where I can't really guess the 2-deep. Yes, play-makers need to emerge in all these critical positions if next year is going to be another winning season, which I think it will be. I deliberately left off unproven players like Murray and Dorian Brown on offense, but I agree they will play a lot, and quite probably could end up on the 2-deep.

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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 2:13:50 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.


Ye of little faith. Gdowski and Dixon are very good. Vick will be as good as his OL allows.

This makes you optimist or pessimist?



 


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 8:59:12 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Obviously this is way too early, and obviously some players are going to surprise and move up the ranks in Spring and Fall camp, and some positions are pretty wide open anyway, and I can only guess who will be in the 2-deep. The reason for this list, though, is to show just how young the team will be next year. The fact that next year's team will have a surprisingly low number of Seniors is why I think that 2014 will most likely be a bit of an off year, and why I think 2015 will be a very, very good year. When players move up in Spring and Fall, the end result will make this even more true, and make it an even younger team. First, let's start with the list:

Offense:
LT - McQueen Jr (8), Haser Jr
LG - Lucas Jr (12), Everhart Jr
C - Powell Jr (10), M. Smith Sr
RG - Wood So (3), Gibbons So (1)
RT - Watson So (3), Curtis Jr
TE - Mangen So(2), Henry So
QB - Vick Jr, Sprague So
RB - Patterson Jr (1), Edmond Sr
WR - L. Smith Sr., Reid So
WR - Cochran Sr (5), Sawyer, Jr
WR - S. Smith, So, Wyatt Fr

Defense:
DE - Laseak So (9), K. Smith Sr (3)
DE - Basham So (3), Sayles So (1)
NG -Crutcher  Sr (12), Tautuiaki Jr
DT - Purdum Jr (8),  McLeod Sr (3)
MLB - Russell Jr (11), B. Brown So
WLB - Johnson Jr (4), Schany So
SLB/Nickle - Grady Sr (2)/Carpenter Sr(8), Atwell Sr (1)/Teipel Sr (2)/Stewart So
FS - Ingol Sr (1), Davis So
SS - Kristoff Sr (11), Macer Jr
CB - Bass Jr (9), Brown Fr
CB - Well Jr (4), Terpin Jr

Offensive Starters: 2 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 4 Sophomores
Offense 2d team: 2 Seniors, 4 Juniors, 4 Sophomores, 1 Freshman

Defense Starters: 4 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 2 Sophomores
Defense 2d Team: 1 Senior, 3 Juniors, 5 Sophomores, 1 Freshman

Thus the total 2-Deep is 9 Seniors, 17 Juniors, 15 Sophomores, and 2 Freshmen. That is a very heavy mix of Juniors and Sophomores.

Edit - I added the number of starts this year for each player. There are 17 defensive players returning who started at least one game this year, and the projected starter at each position started at least one game. Seven players return that started over half the games. By contrast the entire offense will need to be rebuilt. Only 3 players return on offense that started half the games or more, all from the offensive line.


You can basically say Cochran is a returning starter.  Due to the WR rotation he generally did not start when we started the game with 2 tight end formation.  Most games he would come in on the opening drive at some point.  
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 12:21:07 PM 
The thing that worries me about Daz as #1 is his size. If our base offense continues to be RB up the middle on the zone read, Daz is going to take a lot of big hits from very large men and probably be out of commission by week 3.

Now, if we modify the offense to fit the talent we have, and mix in a zone read with the RB as the outside option and the QB as the middle option, we might have something. And since it looks like we're going to be thin at TE, working Edmonds in as an H-Back/blocking back instead of a true RB might be worth thinking about too.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 2:18:13 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.


Ye of little faith. Gdowski and Dixon are very good. Vick will be as good as his OL allows.


Why should I have faith? He barely played all year. He should have been given more of an opportunity when we were being embarrassed by the class of the conference. Instead we go into 2014 with no clue if he can run the offense. And if fails or gets hurt, the next guy up is a walk-on. Yikes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 12/4/2013 2:25:14 PM 
C Money wrote:
The thing that worries me about Daz as #1 is his size. If our base offense continues to be RB up the middle on the zone read, Daz is going to take a lot of big hits from very large men and probably be out of commission by week 3.

Now, if we modify the offense to fit the talent we have, and mix in a zone read with the RB as the outside option and the QB as the middle option, we might have something. And since it looks like we're going to be thin at TE, working Edmonds in as an H-Back/blocking back instead of a true RB might be worth thinking about too.


At the Independence Bowl Tyler Knight did some good work blocking as you describe. Perhaps a rehabilitated John Tanner could operate like Tyler did.

With the backs Ohio will have perhaps they might try some of the screens the K.C. Chiefs are using to tear teams up.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 10/28/2014 9:18:36 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 10/28/2014 11:04:02 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.


PRESCIENT! Schaus, if you're reading this, I'm available as a part-time consultant. My fee is $125 per hour.

Great prediction on the Vick injury. I'd be more inclined to buy into your prescience, though, if it had been a normal injury, running the ball, rather than a fluke injury on a defensive guy rolling into his knee.

My depth chart from last year has some serious issues, though, especially at LB and RG.

Last Edited: 10/28/2014 11:06:41 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 10/29/2014 12:43:33 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
I really think we need to bring in a JUCO QB. I have no confidence in Vick to (i) throw the ball, and (ii) not get hurt.

Maybe Windham returns, but even so he wasn't able to separate himself from the walk-on Sprague. Not exactly confidence inspiring.


PRESCIENT! Schaus, if you're reading this, I'm available as a part-time consultant. My fee is $125 per hour.

Great prediction on the Vick injury. I'd be more inclined to buy into your prescience, though, if it had been a normal injury, running the ball, rather than a fluke injury on a defensive guy rolling into his knee.

My depth chart from last year has some serious issues, though, especially at LB and RG.


You can't take this away from me LC! :)

And yeah...I forgot how much turnover we've had at LB. That was a major concern to start the season but has completely exceeded anyone's expectations. Jovon is playing at a 1'st team All-MAC level.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way-too-early two-deep for 2014
   Posted: 10/29/2014 1:36:37 AM 
Keep rockin' those excuses.


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