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Topic:  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?

Topic:  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 8:24:58 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
I like this signing, but I see a double standard on this board here. This is exactly the type of signing that would’ve drawn huge criticism under Saul... Guy from small school putting up HUGE numbers without many D1 offers... If I recall James Gollon dropped 33 a game in Wisconsin before signing here.

We gotta give the staff some trust to go find guys that aren’t on the AAU scene


Fringe recruits didn't draw criticism in Saul's first year. Everyone was on board. Fringe recruits in years three, four and five? Hell, yes, they drew criticism because there were bad trends and records pointing to recruiting issues. Boals deserves the same benefit of the doubt Saul got, and based on early results, he's blowing away my expectations. I look forward to seeing what Brown can do.


Wow....we are both on the same page here. Was writing my post when you already sent yours.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 11:37:34 AM 
He's athletic as well.... Saw a couple break away, two handed dunks and one ally oop on video. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Stevie wasn't able to do that.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 11:38:19 AM 
Double standard? This class v. Saul's typical class is like night v. day.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 12:00:44 PM 
I saw a nice crossover in the video too. Looks like good handles. Looking forward to both Miles and Michael being Bobcats.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 12:17:27 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
A double standard? On THIS board? Nahhh.....that can't be. 😉



I like the feed good nature of this board right now, but this is what I'll say on this topic. Yes and no. Taken in a vacum..yes. 6 foot guard that appears to have not played against solid competition...that's classic Saul. We'd all probably be freaking out if this were a Saul signing. But here is the difference. Boals signed him with Roderick and Price. This looks a whole lot different. Saul never signed anyone like Roderick and Price. My guess is there is a good chance Brown redshirts this year with Preston and Lunden obviously playing point.

With Saul...these type of signings became habit. We'll have to judge this a few years from now. It appears Boals has been on this guy for a long time when he was at Stony Brook. It's not like this is his fifth year of signing guys who on paper didn't have many D-one offers. Recruiting was Saul's downfall and we all know it. I'm staying positive with each of Boals recruits and have no reason to not buy into what Boals is doing with recruiting.


I was mainly having fun with it, to be honest. It's my general opinion that the majority of us who are "regulars" here don't have the background or hoops knowledge to say how good a recruit is until they've seen some time on the court in Athens. Which is why I usually don't have lots to say about specific players until they've seen the court in a game or two in The Convo - I don't know much about them. Roderick and McDay, being more local are exceptions. They look outstanding, and I'm glad we'll be seeing them in green & white. With Price, who we know little about at the moment other than videos, he could end up not working out even though on paper he's a great addition.

What The Optimist was saying regarding the comparison of the competition that was faced by Brown to James Gollon may have some validity to it. Hence my agreement/humor associated with it.

While we'll continue to compare the signings of the two coaches, the situations they were in, or are in with Boals case, are quite different in terms of contract status and what they can legit sell to recruits. To a degree, it's comparing apples to oranges.

As mentioned before in another thread, for the most part, I'm moving on from the past. It ain't changing, and the future looks more fun so far. I'll stick with that. I'm excited to see a guard oriented style, because I think it's more fun to watch. I'm excited to see more than a sit back and absorb it style of man defense, because I think aggressive D, creating turnovers and fast break opportunities is more fun to watch.

And lastly, we have to stop agreeing once again, because I'm digging the feel good nature over the last month as well. Cheers!
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 12:49:19 PM 
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 1:27:35 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 1:35:53 PM 
Taiwan BC wrote:
He's athletic as well.... Saw a couple break away, two handed dunks and one ally oop on video. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Stevie wasn't able to do that.


This kid is a little slight, but he can shoot, he is fast and he can get to any spot that he wants to on the court. This class is fantastic, all of these guards have played in big games, they all shoot over 50% from the field and over 40% from 3 and 80% from the one. Two of the recruits have won championships. Miles Brown’s ceiling is Carsen Edwards and Gollon’s was Andy Holderman. This is a great start for the Cats.

Last Edited: 4/18/2019 1:42:07 PM by allen

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 1:47:11 PM 
allen wrote:
Taiwan BC wrote:
He's athletic as well.... Saw a couple break away, two handed dunks and one ally oop on video. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Stevie wasn't able to do that.


This kid is a little slight, but he can shoot, he is fast and he can get to any spot that he wants to on the court. This class is fantastic, all of these guards have played in big games, they all shoot over 50% from the field and over 40% from 3 and 80% from the one. Two of the recruits have won championships. Miles Brown’s ceiling is Carsen Edwards and Gollon’s was Andy Holderman. This is a great start for the Cats.


Carsen Edwards eh? You could change your handle to The Optimist's Bigger Brother. ;)
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 3:05:46 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
allen wrote:
Taiwan BC wrote:
He's athletic as well.... Saw a couple break away, two handed dunks and one ally oop on video. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Stevie wasn't able to do that.


This kid is a little slight, but he can shoot, he is fast and he can get to any spot that he wants to on the court. This class is fantastic, all of these guards have played in big games, they all shoot over 50% from the field and over 40% from 3 and 80% from the one. Two of the recruits have won championships. Miles Brown’s ceiling is Carsen Edwards and Gollon’s was Andy Holderman. This is a great start for the Cats.


Carsen Edwards eh? You could change your handle to The Optimist's Bigger Brother. ;)


Lol

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 3:42:53 PM 
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


I disagree. When it came to on the court performance, our inability to put the ball in the hoop for long stretches of time ultimately doomed Saul Philips. If you're saying we weren't as athletic as Buffalo, ok, I agree. but to say we were overmatched across the board? No. Put ball in hoop = win games. We didn't do it and we lost.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 7:53:59 PM 
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


Not being able to make corrections or adjustments is something all fans think is unique to their team but it really doesn't mean anything. It's like when baseball fans claim their team can't hit with runners in scoring position or football fans think their team can't convert on third downs.

As others have mentioned, our inability to shoot the ball was our biggest downfall. And in the game of basektball in 2019 that is kind of important.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/18/2019 8:16:24 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


Not being able to make corrections or adjustments is something all fans think is unique to their team but it really doesn't mean anything. It's like when baseball fans claim their team can't hit with runners in scoring position or football fans think their team can't convert on third downs.

As others have mentioned, our inability to shoot the ball was our biggest downfall. And in the game of basektball in 2019 that is kind of important.


Man can you quit that stalling, you know that I am a saulcoholic.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/19/2019 12:59:38 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
I like this signing, but I see a double standard on this board here. This is exactly the type of signing that would’ve drawn huge criticism under Saul... Guy from small school putting up HUGE numbers without many D1 offers... If I recall James Gollon dropped 33 a game in Wisconsin before signing here.

We gotta give the staff some trust to go find guys that aren’t on the AAU scene


Pertaining to the small schools syndrome, all small schools are not alike or equal. You have to take into consideration where they are and who they play. In New York, for instance, there are many small schools throughout the state that are basketball powerhouses. Many schools in predominantly black communities tend to be smaller, play in the small schools category and kick mucho butt--both of the small and big schools variety. More than 200,000 people live in Rochester. I think there's a very good chance the Brown twins didn't have to go very far to find some serious comp on a daily basis.

Last Edited: 4/19/2019 1:00:38 AM by FlashGary
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/19/2019 12:29:13 PM 
FlashGary wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
I like this signing, but I see a double standard on this board here. This is exactly the type of signing that would’ve drawn huge criticism under Saul... Guy from small school putting up HUGE numbers without many D1 offers... If I recall James Gollon dropped 33 a game in Wisconsin before signing here.

We gotta give the staff some trust to go find guys that aren’t on the AAU scene


Pertaining to the small schools syndrome, all small schools are not alike or equal. You have to take into consideration where they are and who they play. In New York, for instance, there are many small schools throughout the state that are basketball powerhouses. Many schools in predominantly black communities tend to be smaller, play in the small schools category and kick mucho butt--both of the small and big schools variety. More than 200,000 people live in Rochester. I think there's a very good chance the Brown twins didn't have to go very far to find some serious comp on a daily basis.


Miles had 6 D-1 offers. No Kentucky’s in that group, but it’s not like he didn’t get any other offers. As we all know, the number of offers guarantees nothing, one way or the other.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/19/2019 1:13:44 PM 
Arkley tweets that Miles is signed.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/19/2019 6:30:58 PM 
allen wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


Not being able to make corrections or adjustments is something all fans think is unique to their team but it really doesn't mean anything. It's like when baseball fans claim their team can't hit with runners in scoring position or football fans think their team can't convert on third downs.

As others have mentioned, our inability to shoot the ball was our biggest downfall. And in the game of basektball in 2019 that is kind of important.


Man can you quit that stalling, you know that I am a saulcoholic.


I always felt like player development was lacking. Block never evolved. DT never ebolved. Tk never evolved.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/19/2019 7:06:43 PM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
allen wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


Not being able to make corrections or adjustments is something all fans think is unique to their team but it really doesn't mean anything. It's like when baseball fans claim their team can't hit with runners in scoring position or football fans think their team can't convert on third downs.

As others have mentioned, our inability to shoot the ball was our biggest downfall. And in the game of basektball in 2019 that is kind of important.


Man can you quit that stalling, you know that I am a saulcoholic.


I always felt like player development was lacking. Block never evolved. DT never ebolved. Tk never evolved.


Yet Laster did, and Campbell did previous to injury. I also thought Simmons did as well.
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   Posted: 4/19/2019 8:05:21 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
allen wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


Not being able to make corrections or adjustments is something all fans think is unique to their team but it really doesn't mean anything. It's like when baseball fans claim their team can't hit with runners in scoring position or football fans think their team can't convert on third downs.

As others have mentioned, our inability to shoot the ball was our biggest downfall. And in the game of basektball in 2019 that is kind of important.


Man can you quit that stalling, you know that I am a saulcoholic.


I always felt like player development was lacking. Block never evolved. DT never ebolved. Tk never evolved.


Yet Laster did, and Campbell did previous to injury. I also thought Simmons did as well.


Laster was left to rot until Campbell’s injury, his play showed that he was much better than Block and Gollum, I am glad that he did not transfer. Simmons was never forced to defend, he had full autonomy. Campbell was good when Saul got here and injuries slowed down his rise.

Last Edited: 4/19/2019 8:06:30 PM by allen

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2019 6' PG Miles Brown (Northstar Christian Academy - Rochester, NY) - Ohio Commit?
   Posted: 4/20/2019 8:42:46 AM 
I’m just wondering if Ohio doesn’t fill all the schollie spots if Miles brother Michael wouldn’t get a 1 year scholarship. Why not?
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   Posted: 4/20/2019 9:41:58 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
I’m just wondering if Ohio doesn’t fill all the schollie spots if Miles brother Michael wouldn’t get a 1 year scholarship. Why not?


Just wouldn't be a good look if the scholarship was taken away after one year, even if the possibility had been fully explained to the kid and his family before hand. While I would guess similar circumstances may have occurred, I have never heard of a one-year scholarship being offered to an incoming freshman with the understanding he or she would most likely lose it the following year.

On the other hand, if we have senior walk-ons who've been an overall asset to the program, then by all means use the schollies on them.
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   Posted: 4/20/2019 10:05:28 AM 
brucecuth wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
I’m just wondering if Ohio doesn’t fill all the schollie spots if Miles brother Michael wouldn’t get a 1 year scholarship. Why not?


Just wouldn't be a good look if the scholarship was taken away after one year, even if the possibility had been fully explained to the kid and his family before hand. While I would guess similar circumstances may have occurred, I have never heard of a one-year scholarship being offered to an incoming freshman with the understanding he or she would most likely lose it the following year.

On the other hand, if we have senior walk-ons who've been an overall asset to the program, then by all means use the schollies on them.


Mike will probably get an academic scholarship, he is a 4.0 student.

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   Posted: 4/20/2019 10:38:34 AM 
brucecuth wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
I’m just wondering if Ohio doesn’t fill all the schollie spots if Miles brother Michael wouldn’t get a 1 year scholarship. Why not?


Just wouldn't be a good look if the scholarship was taken away after one year, even if the possibility had been fully explained to the kid and his family before hand. While I would guess similar circumstances may have occurred, I have never heard of a one-year scholarship being offered to an incoming freshman with the understanding he or she would most likely lose it the following year.

On the other hand, if we have senior walk-ons who've been an overall asset to the program, then by all means use the schollies on them.


There’s a first time for everything. It would seem to be much better to receive for one year than not receiving at all is what I’m wondering about. And the point about an academic schollie makes sense.

By the way, I’ve never heard of a preferred walk on in basketball. I must have missed something.

Last Edited: 4/20/2019 10:38:56 AM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 4/20/2019 12:05:56 PM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
allen wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
allen wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Consistent recruiting (or maybe just the inability to land that one big-time stud) may have been an issue, but injuries were no doubt Saul's biggest downfall.


His recruiting and his inability to make corrections or adjustments were his biggest downfall. He recruited players that were athletically outmatched in MAC play and refused to implement a zone or use the whole shot clock to try to grind out victories. He was an average coach and I hope that he gets another job, but it is now Boals era so let’s move on.


Not being able to make corrections or adjustments is something all fans think is unique to their team but it really doesn't mean anything. It's like when baseball fans claim their team can't hit with runners in scoring position or football fans think their team can't convert on third downs.

As others have mentioned, our inability to shoot the ball was our biggest downfall. And in the game of basektball in 2019 that is kind of important.


Man can you quit that stalling, you know that I am a saulcoholic.


I always felt like player development was lacking. Block never evolved. DT never ebolved. Tk never evolved.


Block's surgeries held him back. To say Doug Taylor didnt evolve, you must be part of the 2.3% of Bobcat fans who believe that. Agree with you on TK. He actually devolved.
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   Posted: 4/21/2019 8:11:17 AM 
allen wrote:
Taiwan BC wrote:
He's athletic as well.... Saw a couple break away, two handed dunks and one ally oop on video. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Stevie wasn't able to do that.


This kid is a little slight, but he can shoot, he is fast and he can get to any spot that he wants to on the court. This class is fantastic, all of these guards have played in big games, they all shoot over 50% from the field and over 40% from 3 and 80% from the one. Two of the recruits have won championships. Miles Brown’s ceiling is Carsen Edwards and Gollon’s was Andy Holderman. This is a great start for the Cats.


Fun takes it seems. He is fast, has really nice feet with hesitations, stutters and great first step. In the clips he does not seem to have much of a left hand which will cost him in a well scouted league like the MAC but he has a great potential to be very good with a combination of work in the weight room and two ball drills.

Easy to think if you found Gollon's thread there were those who talked about the small school phenomenon. It is an adjustment for most but there are some like Cooper who come in ready to play. Before any accuse me of a comparison I do not think he is half as polished as Cooper. A small school in Northern Wisconsin is much different than a small school in upstate NY.

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