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   Posted: 4/24/2017 2:25:16 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Chicken George wrote:
I recall a great conversation with JC where he told me that you can't fill an entire roster with guys who expect immediate PT or you're going to turn them over in frustration. At the same time, SP tenure at OHIO has been filled with a short bench and lots of dead weight on the sidelines that based on how much he plays them--is not useful or functional as they're either not available to play or he doesn't have the confidence too play them. He's worn the tread on more than a couple guys and plays his bench very short minutes. Based on that mere fact, I think I'd be taking "best available" right now and building depth. Not sure he's in the position to be "protecting" guys right now. What do we have, like 2 guaranteed parts to MAC Championship Team puzzle (Carter & Simmons and we're not even sure of Simmons)? Every other roster position is "maybe's," "could be's" and "we expect to be be's." I see nobody whose spots are protected, do you? Our PG could be leaving and we have no proven back up. Our #2 is one dimensional and while he's my favorite player, could be more versatile. Our #3 IMO opinion needs totally upgraded all together. Could score more, could slash more, could be more athletic, could be a lot of things. And at the #4 and/or #5 we've got Carter and nothing else guaranteed. That to me is not a "cupboard is full" situation. That to me, is a situation where lots of positions are open competitions going into next season.

Secondly, this fan board confuses me. If it's strictly going on cold hard facts and researched opinions, then it should only be a 3-5 pages long. This is a time killing board filled with opinions and hunches. Personally, I'm not doing research like I do for work, I'm just giving first hunch opinions. Granted, there are some really "not well thought out stuff" on here, but most is filler. In regards to Mickle, how can you grill people for not being impressed? Honestly, unless you're watching film I haven't seen; talking to people in the know; or are a FGCU fan that's been watching games the past 2-3 years and see something good--just based on the facts you're given, you're not impressed. Even the Naples Daily News article stated, "Mickle, who still is green offensively (despite being a Senior)," and is "apparently going to take a step down from Division I in search or more playing time." If that's the data you're presented with, are you really excited? On a casual fan board do you expect people to read this limited data and go, "GREAT GET. Way to find what on paper looks like one of the less appealing options on the transfer wire, while UM is going after Simmons, probably one of the more attractive options?" We won't know until we see him and then the pie is on the face of those who questioned the choice, but come on, true or false--just not great front page appeal.


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of it. Too many people here are satisfied with 20 wins and CBI. Wish more people would get fired up over the fact this program hasn't been to the NCAA Tourney in 5 years. I don't care if players feelings get hurt because Saul found a better guy. This team has a ton of questions marks heading into next season. We just took a guy who many believed wasn't even going to play D-One this season. Something I also pointed out in a previous post. This coming from the paper that covers FGCU on a regular basis. Saul has had dead weight on the bench the last two seasons that didn't have a chance at hitting the floor. We needed to hit a home run or a triple with this grad transfer. Right now, it looks like a bunt single.


Who on here comes out and states, "yeah, I'm satisfied with making the CBI"? No one I converse with regularly here is. This game of being bothered by assuming people are satisfied, that they're embracing mediocrity, that they don't believe, etc is nothing more than hot air. Because it doesn't matter at all what any one poster is or isn't satisfied with. What matters is what the coaching staff, players and university expectations are for the program. We already know they're goal is the NCAA Tournament as often as possible. Saul has said as much at several caravan stops this year. The players stated they had that expectation last year. They fell short and were disappointed by it.

As for the paper covering FGCU and Mickel - if that's the only information you're basing your feelings of Mickel on, it seems misguided to me. I'm sorry they didn't call him a "rising" player like they did to every single player they're bringing in new next year. It's not coincidence that it reads that way. They're bragging up the new recruits, and being dismissive about the departures.

The other source in that thread referred to a nice mid-range game. Which do I believe is true? Reality is probably somewhere in the middle. As long as he's capable of giving some quality minutes, I think all will be well.

Another thing to consider is that maybe there's a "home run" that's being recruited for 2018, and they didn't want to blow a 3-4 year scholarship on someone who wasn't as good? I don't know that's the case, but I know you know enough basketball to know there's more to the recruiting strategy than just looking at this specific year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting "over" players
   Posted: 4/24/2017 2:42:47 PM 
I basically agree with Van. He's more eloquent than I.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting "over" players
   Posted: 4/24/2017 3:55:30 PM 
OUVan wrote:
FearLeon wrote:


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of it. Too many people here are satisfied with 20 wins and CBI. Wish more people would get fired up over the fact this program hasn't been to the NCAA Tourney in 5 years.


I'm sorry but this is a load of bull. How is it you don't factor in that we are on our 3rd coach since our last NCAA appearance 5 years ago? Winning 20 games a year and peaking out in the CBI isn't acceptable in a vacuum. But you can't just blindly look at the year end results and state that the program isn't successful. We had a coach that earned a higher paying job and took it. He was replaced by a successful coach whose program wasn't built for the players he inherited. He was able to average nearly 25 wins his two season however and then he took the money and ran. He handed over a roster that wasn't at all built for his successor. Coach number three has turned over the roster with a lot fewer growing pains than I would have expected (one horrible year) and has us headed in the right direction. He might have done considerably better if he hadn't lost, not only our best player but the league's best player three games into the conference season. With each coaching change it takes time to build the program into his mold.

You guys can put on your recruiting in a vacuum hats all you want but it's not that simple. Recruiting isn't an exact science and there are a ton of personalities involved particularly for a college coach. You can say screw your current players and recruit over them and think you'll be successful but if I'm a kid and I know a coach isn't committed to me then why would I be committed to him? And if I'm an AAU or high school coach and I know a coach is going to screw my kid if a prettier penny comes along then why would I recommend my kid or kids go there? This isn't a video game where you can just replace an 82 rated player with an 88 and feel you've done well.

And I love the fact that you think that if people are satisfied with our recruiting that it means that we are fine with CBI appearances. That's idiotic. I can't speak for everyone but my stance is that I love what Saul has brought to the table. I love his offense. I love the type of player he brings into the program. I love the fact that Saul stayed committed to players like Mike Laster so we could watch him blossom. I'm looking forward to the same thing with Doug Taylor. I think Jordan Dartis, Gavin Block and Jason Carter are tremendous recruits. Our incoming freshman are all cut from a similar mold. I'm particularly excited about Ben Vander Plas but I think all four are going to be good because all four see the floor and move the ball and that's the hallmark of a Saul recruit. I really, really don't understand all the hand-wringing going on. With or without Jaaron Simmons we are going to be good next year. Possibly really good.

stayed committed to Laster. Come on, that kid shoots 53% and comes off the bench. He onply played because Tone got injured, he was wasting away. This was a recruit to preserve starting positions. If Tone does not come back, we will get dominated up front, even with a good player like Taylor. Props to Laster for staying ready and not being upset that he is sitting behind players that he may be better than, he is definitely more efficient than the players in front of him.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting "over" players
   Posted: 4/24/2017 4:01:39 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Chicken George wrote:
I recall a great conversation with JC where he told me that you can't fill an entire roster with guys who expect immediate PT or you're going to turn them over in frustration. At the same time, SP tenure at OHIO has been filled with a short bench and lots of dead weight on the sidelines that based on how much he plays them--is not useful or functional as they're either not available to play or he doesn't have the confidence too play them. He's worn the tread on more than a couple guys and plays his bench very short minutes. Based on that mere fact, I think I'd be taking "best available" right now and building depth. Not sure he's in the position to be "protecting" guys right now. What do we have, like 2 guaranteed parts to MAC Championship Team puzzle (Carter & Simmons and we're not even sure of Simmons)? Every other roster position is "maybe's," "could be's" and "we expect to be be's." I see nobody whose spots are protected, do you? Our PG could be leaving and we have no proven back up. Our #2 is one dimensional and while he's my favorite player, could be more versatile. Our #3 IMO opinion needs totally upgraded all together. Could score more, could slash more, could be more athletic, could be a lot of things. And at the #4 and/or #5 we've got Carter and nothing else guaranteed. That to me is not a "cupboard is full" situation. That to me, is a situation where lots of positions are open competitions going into next season.

Secondly, this fan board confuses me. If it's strictly going on cold hard facts and researched opinions, then it should only be a 3-5 pages long. This is a time killing board filled with opinions and hunches. Personally, I'm not doing research like I do for work, I'm just giving first hunch opinions. Granted, there are some really "not well thought out stuff" on here, but most is filler. In regards to Mickle, how can you grill people for not being impressed? Honestly, unless you're watching film I haven't seen; talking to people in the know; or are a FGCU fan that's been watching games the past 2-3 years and see something good--just based on the facts you're given, you're not impressed. Even the Naples Daily News article stated, "Mickle, who still is green offensively (despite being a Senior)," and is "apparently going to take a step down from Division I in search or more playing time." If that's the data you're presented with, are you really excited? On a casual fan board do you expect people to read this limited data and go, "GREAT GET. Way to find what on paper looks like one of the less appealing options on the transfer wire, while UM is going after Simmons, probably one of the more attractive options?" We won't know until we see him and then the pie is on the face of those who questioned the choice, but come on, true or false--just not great front page appeal.


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of it. Too many people here are satisfied with 20 wins and CBI. Wish more people would get fired up over the fact this program hasn't been to the NCAA Tourney in 5 years. I don't care if players feelings get hurt because Saul found a better guy. This team has a ton of questions marks heading into next season. We just took a guy who many believed wasn't even going to play D-One this season. Something I also pointed out in a previous post. This coming from the paper that covers FGCU on a regular basis. Saul has had dead weight on the bench the last two seasons that didn't have a chance at hitting the floor. We needed to hit a home run or a triple with this grad transfer. Right now, it looks like a bunt single.


Who on here comes out and states, "yeah, I'm satisfied with making the CBI"? No one I converse with regularly here is. This game of being bothered by assuming people are satisfied, that they're embracing mediocrity, that they don't believe, etc is nothing more than hot air. Because it doesn't matter at all what any one poster is or isn't satisfied with. What matters is what the coaching staff, players and university expectations are for the program. We already know they're goal is the NCAA Tournament as often as possible. Saul has said as much at several caravan stops this year. The players stated they had that expectation last year. They fell short and were disappointed by it.

As for the paper covering FGCU and Mickel - if that's the only information you're basing your feelings of Mickel on, it seems misguided to me. I'm sorry they didn't call him a "rising" player like they did to every single player they're bringing in new next year. It's not coincidence that it reads that way. They're bragging up the new recruits, and being dismissive about the departures.

The other source in that thread referred to a nice mid-range game. Which do I believe is true? Reality is probably somewhere in the middle. As long as he's capable of giving some quality minutes, I think all will be well.

Another thing to consider is that maybe there's a "home run" that's being recruited for 2018, and they didn't want to blow a 3-4 year scholarship on someone who wasn't as good? I don't know that's the case, but I know you know enough basketball to know there's more to the recruiting strategy than just looking at this specific year.


What did they (article) say? They said he was looking to go lower than D1 for playing time. We saved him, hopefully it works out. As for you and others being happy with moral victories, I don't know your heart, but your actions seem to support that theory. Saul could bring in vinny two left legs and you and others would applaud. there is absolutely no scrutiny, just euphoria. This is almost laughable, but i don't want to hurt feelings or bring anybody down. We bring in a mid major 10th man that averages 2 and 2 and the crowd goes wild.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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   Posted: 4/24/2017 5:37:44 PM 
allen wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Chicken George wrote:
I recall a great conversation with JC where he told me that you can't fill an entire roster with guys who expect immediate PT or you're going to turn them over in frustration. At the same time, SP tenure at OHIO has been filled with a short bench and lots of dead weight on the sidelines that based on how much he plays them--is not useful or functional as they're either not available to play or he doesn't have the confidence too play them. He's worn the tread on more than a couple guys and plays his bench very short minutes. Based on that mere fact, I think I'd be taking "best available" right now and building depth. Not sure he's in the position to be "protecting" guys right now. What do we have, like 2 guaranteed parts to MAC Championship Team puzzle (Carter & Simmons and we're not even sure of Simmons)? Every other roster position is "maybe's," "could be's" and "we expect to be be's." I see nobody whose spots are protected, do you? Our PG could be leaving and we have no proven back up. Our #2 is one dimensional and while he's my favorite player, could be more versatile. Our #3 IMO opinion needs totally upgraded all together. Could score more, could slash more, could be more athletic, could be a lot of things. And at the #4 and/or #5 we've got Carter and nothing else guaranteed. That to me is not a "cupboard is full" situation. That to me, is a situation where lots of positions are open competitions going into next season.

Secondly, this fan board confuses me. If it's strictly going on cold hard facts and researched opinions, then it should only be a 3-5 pages long. This is a time killing board filled with opinions and hunches. Personally, I'm not doing research like I do for work, I'm just giving first hunch opinions. Granted, there are some really "not well thought out stuff" on here, but most is filler. In regards to Mickle, how can you grill people for not being impressed? Honestly, unless you're watching film I haven't seen; talking to people in the know; or are a FGCU fan that's been watching games the past 2-3 years and see something good--just based on the facts you're given, you're not impressed. Even the Naples Daily News article stated, "Mickle, who still is green offensively (despite being a Senior)," and is "apparently going to take a step down from Division I in search or more playing time." If that's the data you're presented with, are you really excited? On a casual fan board do you expect people to read this limited data and go, "GREAT GET. Way to find what on paper looks like one of the less appealing options on the transfer wire, while UM is going after Simmons, probably one of the more attractive options?" We won't know until we see him and then the pie is on the face of those who questioned the choice, but come on, true or false--just not great front page appeal.


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of it. Too many people here are satisfied with 20 wins and CBI. Wish more people would get fired up over the fact this program hasn't been to the NCAA Tourney in 5 years. I don't care if players feelings get hurt because Saul found a better guy. This team has a ton of questions marks heading into next season. We just took a guy who many believed wasn't even going to play D-One this season. Something I also pointed out in a previous post. This coming from the paper that covers FGCU on a regular basis. Saul has had dead weight on the bench the last two seasons that didn't have a chance at hitting the floor. We needed to hit a home run or a triple with this grad transfer. Right now, it looks like a bunt single.


Who on here comes out and states, "yeah, I'm satisfied with making the CBI"? No one I converse with regularly here is. This game of being bothered by assuming people are satisfied, that they're embracing mediocrity, that they don't believe, etc is nothing more than hot air. Because it doesn't matter at all what any one poster is or isn't satisfied with. What matters is what the coaching staff, players and university expectations are for the program. We already know they're goal is the NCAA Tournament as often as possible. Saul has said as much at several caravan stops this year. The players stated they had that expectation last year. They fell short and were disappointed by it.

As for the paper covering FGCU and Mickel - if that's the only information you're basing your feelings of Mickel on, it seems misguided to me. I'm sorry they didn't call him a "rising" player like they did to every single player they're bringing in new next year. It's not coincidence that it reads that way. They're bragging up the new recruits, and being dismissive about the departures.

The other source in that thread referred to a nice mid-range game. Which do I believe is true? Reality is probably somewhere in the middle. As long as he's capable of giving some quality minutes, I think all will be well.

Another thing to consider is that maybe there's a "home run" that's being recruited for 2018, and they didn't want to blow a 3-4 year scholarship on someone who wasn't as good? I don't know that's the case, but I know you know enough basketball to know there's more to the recruiting strategy than just looking at this specific year.


What did they (article) say? They said he was looking to go lower than D1 for playing time. We saved him, hopefully it works out. As for you and others being happy with moral victories, I don't know your heart, but your actions seem to support that theory. Saul could bring in vinny two left legs and you and others would applaud. there is absolutely no scrutiny, just euphoria. This is almost laughable, but i don't want to hurt feelings or bring anybody down. We bring in a mid major 10th man that averages 2 and 2 and the crowd goes wild.


And Allen...don't forget those 11 blocked shots. If people get upset about "dead weight" I can't do anything about that. All I know is that EDoz, Wadley and Harley didn't contribute last season. And yes..I realize Wadley was red-shirted. That's a whole different topic and don't even get me started on that one. People are way too sensitive on this board. That's why so many are satisfied with moral victories and CBI appearances. This is a message board and we are allowed to make comments concerning the players and recruiting. Sorry, 2 points and 2 rebounds doesn't do it for me either. If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and tell the world. I truly hope I get the opportunity to do so. I don't want my school to only go to the NCAA Tournament once every 5 years. This program has the ability to elevate and should have bigger goals (sadly we screwed up the 5 year post sweet 16 season window by hiring JC #6-48). We should expect bigger goals when recruiting one and done grad transfers. There ya go...I'm sure I just hurt somebody's feelings. #BleedGreen

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 7:47:35 PM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 4/24/2017 7:18:02 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
allen wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Chicken George wrote:
I recall a great conversation with JC where he told me that you can't fill an entire roster with guys who expect immediate PT or you're going to turn them over in frustration. At the same time, SP tenure at OHIO has been filled with a short bench and lots of dead weight on the sidelines that based on how much he plays them--is not useful or functional as they're either not available to play or he doesn't have the confidence too play them. He's worn the tread on more than a couple guys and plays his bench very short minutes. Based on that mere fact, I think I'd be taking "best available" right now and building depth. Not sure he's in the position to be "protecting" guys right now. What do we have, like 2 guaranteed parts to MAC Championship Team puzzle (Carter & Simmons and we're not even sure of Simmons)? Every other roster position is "maybe's," "could be's" and "we expect to be be's." I see nobody whose spots are protected, do you? Our PG could be leaving and we have no proven back up. Our #2 is one dimensional and while he's my favorite player, could be more versatile. Our #3 IMO opinion needs totally upgraded all together. Could score more, could slash more, could be more athletic, could be a lot of things. And at the #4 and/or #5 we've got Carter and nothing else guaranteed. That to me is not a "cupboard is full" situation. That to me, is a situation where lots of positions are open competitions going into next season.

Secondly, this fan board confuses me. If it's strictly going on cold hard facts and researched opinions, then it should only be a 3-5 pages long. This is a time killing board filled with opinions and hunches. Personally, I'm not doing research like I do for work, I'm just giving first hunch opinions. Granted, there are some really "not well thought out stuff" on here, but most is filler. In regards to Mickle, how can you grill people for not being impressed? Honestly, unless you're watching film I haven't seen; talking to people in the know; or are a FGCU fan that's been watching games the past 2-3 years and see something good--just based on the facts you're given, you're not impressed. Even the Naples Daily News article stated, "Mickle, who still is green offensively (despite being a Senior)," and is "apparently going to take a step down from Division I in search or more playing time." If that's the data you're presented with, are you really excited? On a casual fan board do you expect people to read this limited data and go, "GREAT GET. Way to find what on paper looks like one of the less appealing options on the transfer wire, while UM is going after Simmons, probably one of the more attractive options?" We won't know until we see him and then the pie is on the face of those who questioned the choice, but come on, true or false--just not great front page appeal.


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of it. Too many people here are satisfied with 20 wins and CBI. Wish more people would get fired up over the fact this program hasn't been to the NCAA Tourney in 5 years. I don't care if players feelings get hurt because Saul found a better guy. This team has a ton of questions marks heading into next season. We just took a guy who many believed wasn't even going to play D-One this season. Something I also pointed out in a previous post. This coming from the paper that covers FGCU on a regular basis. Saul has had dead weight on the bench the last two seasons that didn't have a chance at hitting the floor. We needed to hit a home run or a triple with this grad transfer. Right now, it looks like a bunt single.


Who on here comes out and states, "yeah, I'm satisfied with making the CBI"? No one I converse with regularly here is. This game of being bothered by assuming people are satisfied, that they're embracing mediocrity, that they don't believe, etc is nothing more than hot air. Because it doesn't matter at all what any one poster is or isn't satisfied with. What matters is what the coaching staff, players and university expectations are for the program. We already know they're goal is the NCAA Tournament as often as possible. Saul has said as much at several caravan stops this year. The players stated they had that expectation last year. They fell short and were disappointed by it.

As for the paper covering FGCU and Mickel - if that's the only information you're basing your feelings of Mickel on, it seems misguided to me. I'm sorry they didn't call him a "rising" player like they did to every single player they're bringing in new next year. It's not coincidence that it reads that way. They're bragging up the new recruits, and being dismissive about the departures.

The other source in that thread referred to a nice mid-range game. Which do I believe is true? Reality is probably somewhere in the middle. As long as he's capable of giving some quality minutes, I think all will be well.

Another thing to consider is that maybe there's a "home run" that's being recruited for 2018, and they didn't want to blow a 3-4 year scholarship on someone who wasn't as good? I don't know that's the case, but I know you know enough basketball to know there's more to the recruiting strategy than just looking at this specific year.


What did they (article) say? They said he was looking to go lower than D1 for playing time. We saved him, hopefully it works out. As for you and others being happy with moral victories, I don't know your heart, but your actions seem to support that theory. Saul could bring in vinny two left legs and you and others would applaud. there is absolutely no scrutiny, just euphoria. This is almost laughable, but i don't want to hurt feelings or bring anybody down. We bring in a mid major 10th man that averages 2 and 2 and the crowd goes wild.


And Allen...don't forget those 4 blocked shots. If people get upset about "dead weight" I can't do anything about that. All I know is that EDoz, Wadley and Harley didn't contribute last season. And yes..I realize Wadley was red-shirted. That's a whole different topic and don't even get me started on that one. People are way too sensitive on this board. That's why so many are satisfied with moral victories and CBI appearances. This is a message board and we are allowed to make comments concerning the players and recruiting. Sorry, 2 points and 2 rebounds doesn't do it for me either. If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and tell the world. I truly hope I get the opportunity to do so. I don't want my school to only go to the NCAA Tournament once every 5 years. This program has the ability to elevate and should have bigger goals (sadly we screwed up the 5 year post sweet 16 season window by hiring JC #6-48). We should expect bigger goals when recruiting one and done grad transfers. There ya go...I'm sure I just hurt somebody's feelings. #BleedGreen


I agree wholeheartedly.

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   Posted: 4/24/2017 7:34:18 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
And Allen...don't forget those 4 blocked shots.


Not that it makes any difference, but Mickle didn't have 4 blocks last year, he had 11. Trivial difference, but if you're going to trash the kid based on a thirty second review of his stat sheet alone, I don't think it's too much to ask that you at least state the numbers correctly.
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   Posted: 4/24/2017 7:51:19 PM 
Flomo-genized wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
And Allen...don't forget those 4 blocked shots.


Not that it makes any difference, but Mickle didn't have 4 blocks last year, he had 11. Trivial difference, but if you're going to trash the kid based on a thirty second review of his stat sheet alone, I don't think it's too much to ask that you at least state the numbers correctly.


Sorry...I did fix it. 11 blocks. And I'm not trashing the kid. Just laying out the facts that many others have pointed out here as well. This program can't afford to miss on Grad transfers. I wish the young man well and hope he becomes an important cog in the rotation. If not, then Saul has some explaining to do. #BleedGreen

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   Posted: 4/24/2017 9:03:02 PM 
FearLeon wrote:

Sorry...I did fix it. 11 blocks. And I'm not trashing the kid. Just laying out the facts that many others have pointed out here as well. This program can't afford to miss on Grad transfers. I wish the young man well and hope he becomes an important cog in the rotation. If not, then Saul has some explaining to do. #BleedGreen


Weird logic. I would think that a grad transfer is exactly the type of player its okay to miss out on. He is here for one year and was brought in to provide depth. He's not going to make or break the program either way.
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   Posted: 4/24/2017 9:07:04 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Flomo-genized wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
And Allen...don't forget those 4 blocked shots.


Not that it makes any difference, but Mickle didn't have 4 blocks last year, he had 11. Trivial difference, but if you're going to trash the kid based on a thirty second review of his stat sheet alone, I don't think it's too much to ask that you at least state the numbers correctly.


Sorry...I did fix it. 11 blocks. And I'm not trashing the kid. Just laying out the facts that many others have pointed out here as well. This program can't afford to miss on Grad transfers. I wish the young man well and hope he becomes an important cog in the rotation. If not, then Saul has some explaining to do. #BleedGreen

It was my fault, I said 4, that was his sophomore year. Ironically, he averaged more points his sophomore year in less minutes. He averaged 2.1 points. http://fgcuathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3458

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   Posted: 4/25/2017 7:54:37 AM 
allen wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Flomo-genized wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
And Allen...don't forget those 4 blocked shots.


Not that it makes any difference, but Mickle didn't have 4 blocks last year, he had 11. Trivial difference, but if you're going to trash the kid based on a thirty second review of his stat sheet alone, I don't think it's too much to ask that you at least state the numbers correctly.


Sorry...I did fix it. 11 blocks. And I'm not trashing the kid. Just laying out the facts that many others have pointed out here as well. This program can't afford to miss on Grad transfers. I wish the young man well and hope he becomes an important cog in the rotation. If not, then Saul has some explaining to do. #BleedGreen

It was my fault, I said 4, that was his sophomore year. Ironically, he averaged more points his sophomore year in less minutes. He averaged 2.1 points. http://fgcuathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3458


Curious now what folks think of adding 2.1 PPG to the roster after we just lost 15-18 PPG with #2 heading to Michigan. Even more of a head scratcher.

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   Posted: 4/25/2017 10:46:10 AM 
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And Allen...don't forget those 11 blocked shots. If people get upset about "dead weight" I can't do anything about that. All I know is that EDoz, Wadley and Harley didn't contribute last season. And yes..I realize Wadley was red-shirted. That's a whole different topic and don't even get me started on that one. People are way too sensitive on this board. That's why so many are satisfied with moral victories and CBI appearances. This is a message board and we are allowed to make comments concerning the players and recruiting. Sorry, 2 points and 2 rebounds doesn't do it for me either. If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and tell the world. I truly hope I get the opportunity to do so. I don't want my school to only go to the NCAA Tournament once every 5 years. This program has the ability to elevate and should have bigger goals (sadly we screwed up the 5 year post sweet 16 season window by hiring JC #6-48). We should expect bigger goals when recruiting one and done grad transfers. There ya go...I'm sure I just hurt somebody's feelings. #BleedGreen



I'll believe that you'll admit being wrong when I see it. I've not yet seen it on this topic. The only thing you've posted about for the last three months, for the most part, is rambling on about big men, and poking fun about hurt feelings, moral victories, being satisfied, blah, blah blah. Do you have any new material to contribute to this board?

As much as I get annoyed with allen sometimes, he at least has something to say besides the same old song.

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OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:

And Allen...don't forget those 11 blocked shots. If people get upset about "dead weight" I can't do anything about that. All I know is that EDoz, Wadley and Harley didn't contribute last season. And yes..I realize Wadley was red-shirted. That's a whole different topic and don't even get me started on that one. People are way too sensitive on this board. That's why so many are satisfied with moral victories and CBI appearances. This is a message board and we are allowed to make comments concerning the players and recruiting. Sorry, 2 points and 2 rebounds doesn't do it for me either. If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and tell the world. I truly hope I get the opportunity to do so. I don't want my school to only go to the NCAA Tournament once every 5 years. This program has the ability to elevate and should have bigger goals (sadly we screwed up the 5 year post sweet 16 season window by hiring JC #6-48). We should expect bigger goals when recruiting one and done grad transfers. There ya go...I'm sure I just hurt somebody's feelings. #BleedGreen



I'll believe that you'll admit being wrong when I see it. I've not yet seen it on this topic. The only thing you've posted about for the last three months, for the most part, is rambling on about big men, and poking fun about hurt feelings, moral victories, being satisfied, blah, blah blah. Do you have any new material to contribute to this board?

As much as I get annoyed with allen sometimes, he at least has something to say besides the same old song.


I'll definitely come on here and say I was wrong about Mickle....but we won't know that until next March. I'll work on new material for the coming season, but a good LaFerla twins joke and JC #6-48 never gets old.

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I'll definitely come on here and say I was wrong about Mickle....but we won't know that until next March. I'll work on new material for the coming season, but a good LaFerla twins joke and JC #6-48 never gets old.


Keep the twins joke in the repertoire. It will eventually date you (and me) the longer we use it.

I hope we'll know about Mickle sooner than March.
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OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:

I'll definitely come on here and say I was wrong about Mickle....but we won't know that until next March. I'll work on new material for the coming season, but a good LaFerla twins joke and JC #6-48 never gets old.


Keep the twins joke in the repertoire. It will eventually date you (and me) the longer we use it.

I hope we'll know about Mickle sooner than March.



+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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   Posted: 3/3/2018 2:53:26 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:

I'll definitely come on here and say I was wrong about Mickle....but we won't know that until next March. I'll work on new material for the coming season, but a good LaFerla twins joke and JC #6-48 never gets old.


Keep the twins joke in the repertoire. It will eventually date you (and me) the longer we use it.

I hope we'll know about Mickle sooner than March.



+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^



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When I look at recruiting, I look at first replacing the talent that we lost and second, if we did not win, try to find players that will challenge the incumbent. In this case, I would have tried to find a better player than Doug Taylor, someone who could blocks shot beeter and rebound better. Taylor may make a huge jump next year, I could see it. I don't think Mickle is that player. With what he have on our roster, I would have recruited a wing to challenge Block and a big to challenge Taylor and replace Tone.


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+1^^^^^^^^^^^^ If DT averages 8 points and 8 boards during his Junior season, I'll come back here and say I was dead wrong about DT. Some people on this board compared Taylor to Antonio Campbell during Tone's Sophomore year. Huh? Campbell averaged 10 points and 7 rebounds his SOPHOMORE YEAR. If you can bring in a better player than what you already have on the current roster, you do it....period. The fact is that DT doesn't have one offensive move in the paint. I pray that he's going to a couple of big man camps this summer to work on footwork. I truly hope DT proves me wrong in 2017-2018. Maybe he can find some KVK magic heading into his Junior year.

And if people are worried about players coming here and reading comments...who cares? ..... Get after it this summer DT and prove me, Allen and some others on this board all wrong. I want nothing more than to see this young man help lead OHIO back to its first NCAA Tournament in 5 years.


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You mean if the ball stays fair....then again like I said, our classes needed balanced badly.

I mean I'm glad he's getting this aspect back in order. That said, this is a grad transfer he needed to get something to contribute due to the potential for a thin rotation again.


Ohio69 wrote:
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Too many people here are satisfied with 20 wins and CBI. Wish more people would get fired up over the fact this program hasn't been to the NCAA Tourney in 5 years.


Meh. Too many people on here think we all need to run around screaming and yelling that the sky is falling.

Some of us already know how this all works. Coach Phillips will get 3-4 more years. And, if we don't go the the NCAA tournament, he'll be fired. Whether he deserves it or not. Because that's what happens at 1 bid conferences and mid-major schools. And if he wins the MAC Tourney and it looks really impressive, he will leave for another school with higher pay, a longer guaranteed contract, and a conference with multiple bids. Just like Dambrot just did.

We just brought in what looks like 4 really promising freshman and a grad transfer role player. Seems like a nice Spring to me.

Go Bobcats!



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What did they (article) say? They said he was looking to go lower than D1 for playing time. We saved him, hopefully it works out. As for you and others being happy with moral victories, I don't know your heart, but your actions seem to support that theory. Saul could bring in vinny two left legs and you and others would applaud. there is absolutely no scrutiny, just euphoria. This is almost laughable, but i don't want to hurt feelings or bring anybody down. We bring in a mid major 10th man that averages 2 and 2 and the crowd goes wild.


FearLeon wrote:
Flomo-genized wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
And Allen...don't forget those 4 blocked shots.


Not that it makes any difference, but Mickle didn't have 4 blocks last year, he had 11. Trivial difference, but if you're going to trash the kid based on a thirty second review of his stat sheet alone, I don't think it's too much to ask that you at least state the numbers correctly.


Sorry...I did fix it. 11 blocks. And I'm not trashing the kid. Just laying out the facts that many others have pointed out here as well. This program can't afford to miss on Grad transfers. I wish the young man well and hope he becomes an important cog in the rotation. If not, then Saul has some explaining to do. #BleedGreen






It is now......March

Reread the entire thread. Pretty interesting. Good points along the way. I think I got the ones that were salient out and quoted.

How did it pan out?

Bumping for the recap from the experts.

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bornacatfan...I nominate your post for "post of the year". : )
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   Posted: 3/3/2018 6:33:17 PM 
Love the thread bump and like I said...I'd come back here to say if I'm wrong in March. Mickle played a key role this year. He proved me wrong and I'm glad about that. We'd definitely be in even worse shape this year without him. Plus, he battled through an injury all year. That is one tough dude.

DT did not average 8 points and 8 rebounds (I think he's at 6.5 PPG and 7 rebounds PG), but his improvement throughout the season impressed me. If he can improve his court awareness.....8 points and 8 rebounds are not out of the question for his senior year. Continue to send him to big man camps this summer.

And in case anyone is wondering, Larry Hunter still thinks the LaFerla twins are the second coming of Pistol Pete and John Stockton. I kid because I care.

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And I don't think a two year spread between a current player and a recruit can be really considered recruiting "Over". Besides - That happens at the Big 5 schools year in, year out...Keep or earn your playing time. Competition is a good thing (and so is a deep bench - for whatever comes up - especially injuries....). I gotta think "team" players get that.

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Mickle exceeded expectations, we can’t keep taking other teams 10th man, they won’t all pan out like Mickle did. We have to treat schollies like gold.

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DT did not average 8 points and 8 rebounds (I think he's at 6.5 PPG and 7 rebounds PG), but his improvement throughout the season impressed me. If he can improve his court awareness.....8 points and 8 rebounds are not out of the question for his senior year. Continue to send him to big man camps this summer.


I think DT started the year very poorly, but something clicked part way through MAC play. I'm thinking it was the Toledo blowout actually that I saw him become way more assertive and move around more on offense. He also really became a more disciplined rim protector as well this year. I would just like to see some more touch around the rims and a little more aggressiveness for rebounds and high pointing the ball next year.
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Dexcat wrote:
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DT did not average 8 points and 8 rebounds (I think he's at 6.5 PPG and 7 rebounds PG), but his improvement throughout the season impressed me. If he can improve his court awareness.....8 points and 8 rebounds are not out of the question for his senior year. Continue to send him to big man camps this summer.


I think DT started the year very poorly, but something clicked part way through MAC play. I'm thinking it was the Toledo blowout actually that I saw him become way more assertive and move around more on offense. He also really became a more disciplined rim protector as well this year. I would just like to see some more touch around the rims and a little more aggressiveness for rebounds and high pointing the ball next year.


Looking back, it looks like he was pretty inconsistent (at least numbers wise) until the first Fiami game. He averaged 11.5 and 8 over the last 6 games
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DT did not average 8 points and 8 rebounds (I think he's at 6.5 PPG and 7 rebounds PG), but his improvement throughout the season impressed me. If he can improve his court awareness.....8 points and 8 rebounds are not out of the question for his senior year. Continue to send him to big man camps this summer.


I think DT started the year very poorly, but something clicked part way through MAC play. I'm thinking it was the Toledo blowout actually that I saw him become way more assertive and move around more on offense. He also really became a more disciplined rim protector as well this year. I would just like to see some more touch around the rims and a little more aggressiveness for rebounds and high pointing the ball next year.


Looking back, it looks like he was pretty inconsistent (at least numbers wise) until the first Fiami game. He averaged 11.5 and 8 over the last 6 games


Yep...I would gladly take 8 points and 8 boards from DT next year. It really should happen with the progression he made from his sophomore to junior year.

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   Posted: 3/7/2018 10:01:52 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
crackerbaby00 wrote:
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FearLeon wrote:

DT did not average 8 points and 8 rebounds (I think he's at 6.5 PPG and 7 rebounds PG), but his improvement throughout the season impressed me. If he can improve his court awareness.....8 points and 8 rebounds are not out of the question for his senior year. Continue to send him to big man camps this summer.


I think DT started the year very poorly, but something clicked part way through MAC play. I'm thinking it was the Toledo blowout actually that I saw him become way more assertive and move around more on offense. He also really became a more disciplined rim protector as well this year. I would just like to see some more touch around the rims and a little more aggressiveness for rebounds and high pointing the ball next year.


Looking back, it looks like he was pretty inconsistent (at least numbers wise) until the first Fiami game. He averaged 11.5 and 8 over the last 6 games


Yep...I would gladly take 8 points and 8 boards from DT next year. It really should happen with the progression he made from his sophomore to junior year.


Having JC in the lineup should open up even more opportunities for Doug. Would love to see some high-low action.
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GoCats105 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
crackerbaby00 wrote:
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FearLeon wrote:

DT did not average 8 points and 8 rebounds (I think he's at 6.5 PPG and 7 rebounds PG), but his improvement throughout the season impressed me. If he can improve his court awareness.....8 points and 8 rebounds are not out of the question for his senior year. Continue to send him to big man camps this summer.


I think DT started the year very poorly, but something clicked part way through MAC play. I'm thinking it was the Toledo blowout actually that I saw him become way more assertive and move around more on offense. He also really became a more disciplined rim protector as well this year. I would just like to see some more touch around the rims and a little more aggressiveness for rebounds and high pointing the ball next year.


Looking back, it looks like he was pretty inconsistent (at least numbers wise) until the first Fiami game. He averaged 11.5 and 8 over the last 6 games


Yep...I would gladly take 8 points and 8 boards from DT next year. It really should happen with the progression he made from his sophomore to junior year.


Having JC in the lineup should open up even more opportunities for Doug. Would love to see some high-low action.



Absolutely and those rebound numbers could be closer to 9-10 per game next season.

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