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Topic: RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Topic: RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/1/2017 11:15:14 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Just like he's assuming that every single incoming recruit they're bringing to FGCU is "rising". I put little credence in this guy's writing for those two reasons.

I think you misunderstood the use of the term "rising". It's just a term to refer to a player between classes. Instead of saying he's "going to be a junior next year" or "he was a sophomore last year" you say he's a "rising sophomore". Borna explained it on the last page -

bornacatfan wrote:

That term showed up about 6 -8 years ago in recruiting circles and started gaining traction to the point where now we say rising instead of soph or frosh to be...in Europe they use U15 U16 or similar because they go by age whereas in America guys like Bill Walker and OJ Mayo got held back to compete against guys younger than themselves for purposes of recruiting....OJ , though a year older (nov 5 87) competed in the HS class of 07 was older than 06 players Greg Oden Jan 22 1988 and Kevin Durant Sept 1988 Chase Budinger may 22 1988 and most of the Rivals Top 150. At 29-30 years old not much diffetence but from age 12-19 each year of maturity is a quantum leap.

"rising" in american recruiting applies to classes whereas before the phenomenon of holding kids back and trying to define where a kid is in the recruiting process it was an adjective as in "rising" star or "rising" talent.

Not just in sports, but this has been a common expression for years. I think it was originally a British expression, but it's common in the USA as well:

From the link below: "Rising" sophomore (or junior or senior) is a common U.S. expression. It just means he'll be a sophomore when school resumes this fall. There's no self-promotion, it is just used by students during the summer break.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2840769

I must say, this portion of the thread has been highly educational for me. I took it to be a promotional attempt by the writer. Thanks for the education on this guys.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/2/2017 1:27:27 PM

OU_Country wrote:

I must say, this portion of the thread has been highly educational for me. I took it to be a promotional attempt by the writer. Thanks for the education on this guys.

In your defense rising is also a term used in recruiting circles for guys that come out of nowhere and have huge AAU spring and summers. That doesn't really apply in Mickle's case however.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/4/2017 11:10:03 AM

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Surprised that quite a few people are so down on this signing, although respectfully, I think some of your expectations for this last scholarship were a bit unrealistic. Mickle is exactly the kind of guy this roster needed. Not every player on the roster has to be a major offensive threat. With Carter and Taylor, along with the freshman bigs, our low-post offense should be fine. What the team really needed was a defensive cog in the paint. That's exactly what Mickle forecasts to be.

As Jeff mentioned, if we'd signed Mickle straight out of Juco ball last year with the stats he put up, people would have been very excited. No, he didn't play 30 minutes per game at FGSU, but FGSU was also an excellent, deep team last year. Their primary big, Demetris Morant, was a transfer from UNLV. Their other best returning forward, Marc-Eddy Norelia, was coming off a year in which he'd posted 17 and 10 per game during his junior season. Fellow back-up forward Antravious Simmons was a 6'9" VCU transfer in his third year in the FGSU program, and yet only played a couple minutes more per game than Mickle. This was an experienced, deep, and talented front court.

Neither Terren Harbut or Jon Smith lit the world up from an offensive perspective (both averaged under 10 points and 5 boards per game), yet both provided an invaluable post presence for two of our NCAA tournament teams. Neither of those teams would have made the dance without their often overlooked contributions. Whether Mickle can make a similar impact remains to be seen, of course, but good teams depend on guys like this. We're lucky to add a player like this at this juncture in the recruiting cycle.

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Played 15 minutes and had four boards in a close 86 to 80 loss to Florida State in NCAA Tourney. Saying you would rather have Wadley is insane. And stop saying Donnal or William and Mary big. They are going bigger.

Jon Smith NCAA Tournament
v Michigan 21 minutes
4 Points, 1-2 from field, 2-2 from line, 3 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 0 Turnovers
v USF, 19 minutes
2 Points, 0-1 from field, 2-2 from line, 3 Rebounds, 1 Steal, 0 Turnovers
v UNC, 18 minutes
0 Points, 4 Rebounds, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound, 1 Block, 1 Steal, 2 Turnovers

Kevin Mickle
2016 NCAA Tournament
v UNC 16 minutes
6 points, 2-3 from field, 2-2 from line, 2 Rebounds, 1 Steal, 2 Turnovers
2017 NCAA Tournament
v FSU 15 minutes
2 Points, 1-1 from field, 4 rebounds, 1 Steal, 0 Turnovers

Saul has easily emphasized his recruiting on offense more than any coach we've had during the time I've followed the Bobcats and I'm guessing this would stand true looking at coaches before I was following the program.

Saul has LOADED our roster with shooters... I love it. Not only are we going to be tough to beat when we really start clicking with our ball movement (I believe that is this year) which will lead to us draining 3's with an efficiency that we haven't seen in the Convo... But "Saul Ball" is also going to be fun to watch. People love points and we're going to score A LOT. That's huge for building excitement around the program for the longer-term.

The focus on shooters has left a decent chunk of fans on this board clamoring for freak athlete. I understand this mindset and you can go back in time on this recruiting board and find me gushing over guys who can jump out of the gym... Mickle is very gifted athlete, and to top it off he isn't a "project" like the gifted athletes you sign straight out of high school. We got a guy who averaged double digit minutes at a respectable program that has been in the NCAA Tournament the last two years. Mickle is the perfect fit for this roster. We got an athlete who is not raw and will contribute from Day 1.

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Additionally, I think his offensive abilities are being significantly underestimated.

Article when FGCU signed him along with his JUCO stats.
http://www.news-press.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2015/... /
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/players/k...

As discussed earlier in this thread, Mickle scored a decent amount at a pretty good JUCO. The article discusses Mickle's offensive game and notes that while he is athletic enough to drive he also has a jump shot... Sound familiar? Sounds like the ideal fit for Saul's system.
The narrative people have painted is that he is leaving FGCU due to playing time. Two 6-10 transfers are eligible this year for FGCU from Michigan and VCU. They probably would've played more than Mickle, but I'd argue a big part of that is solely because of the style of play at FGCU. 6-10 players are great, but I bet you if we played FGCU next season Jason Carter and Kevin Mickle would give them fits with their ability to step outside and shoot.

Thinking about the Jon Smith comparison... It's almost a little scary how similar are 3 big men this year compare in style to that Sweet 16 team.
Smith-Mickle (both 6-7 with skinnier athletic frames)
Ivo-Carter (both 6-9 with medium builds)
Keely-Taylor (both 6-7 with bulkier frames)

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/4/2017 7:16:03 PM

Let me pick nits:

Carter officially listed on Ohio basketball roster 6'8", Taylor at 6'9".

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/5/2017 9:25:17 AM

If he comes in and plays well, he may give Saul the option of redshirting one of our freshmen.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/5/2017 11:01:00 AM

I think Gareri looks like a candidate to redshirt. Get some meat on his bones and let him develop his game a bit.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/5/2017 1:05:24 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

I think Gareri looks like a candidate to redshirt. Get some meat on his bones and let him develop his game a bit.

Not sure he needs any more meat. He's pretty solid. He probably just needs to get toned. I don't think we redshirt anybody this year unless someone gets hurt.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/5/2017 2:52:22 PM

brucecuth wrote:

Let me pick nits:

Carter officially listed on Ohio basketball roster 6'8", Taylor at 6'9".

What nits?

Whatever the kid fills in on his form prior to the season is what ends up on the roster and in the media guide. What's your take? and how tall was Leon and Rome

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/6/2017 6:18:49 PM

OUVan wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

I think Gareri looks like a candidate to redshirt. Get some meat on his bones and let him develop his game a bit.

Not sure he needs any more meat. He's pretty solid. He probably just needs to get toned. I don't think we redshirt anybody this year unless someone gets hurt.

I can see him playing minutes as well. I hope we can be that deep. I just thought if any redshirts at all he could be a candidate. I saw him against Jackson and he held his own against a big athletic team.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/7/2017 1:52:55 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

Let me pick nits:

Carter officially listed on Ohio basketball roster 6'8", Taylor at 6'9".

What nits?

Whatever the kid fills in on his form prior to the season is what ends up on the roster and in the media guide. What's your take? and how tall was Leon and Rome

I know that in the Hunter Era, Larry regularly fiddled with the "official" heights that were recorded in places like the official game programs. I was told this by the SID, who said it drove him crazy at times. As I recall, Larry usually wanted to understate a players actual height. Perhaps, it was misinformation he thought would confuse opposing teams in terms of deciding on matchups. Seems silly and not very productive to me, but that's what I was told was happening by the man who had to implement the recording of "official heights."

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/7/2017 7:38:24 PM

Sounds like my basketball coach, Jerry Fisher (Fiami/First team MAC 67'and 68') who always told us to list ourselves shorter than we actually were...."list yourself 6'1 and play 6'4 " was his mantra. I understand Hunter's rationale because of that experience.

Interesting that Steve Mix was first team all 3 years he played (frosh were not eligible to play pre 1972) 67/68/69 when I looked that up. http://www.netitor.com/photos/confs/mac/sports/m-baskbl/a...

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 5/16/2017 4:24:48 PM

Interesting experience, borna. I don't know what Larry told his players, just what he told the SID.

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