Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALL Latest News News Archive Schedule/Results Multi-Media Recruiting FOOTBALL Latest News News Archive Schedule/Results Multi-Media Recruiting MESSAGE BOARD Message Home - Ohio Basketball - Ohio Basketball Recruiting - The O Zone - Ohio Football - Ohio Football Recruiting - Ohio Volleyball - Ohio Baseball - Ohio Olympic Sports... - General OU Discussion... - Website Feedback... - Posting Policy Edit My Profile Private Messages Logout CHAT LINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board Ohio Basketball Recruiting Topic:  RE: Trent Jr. Topic:  RE: Trent Jr. Author Message Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 762 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 1:33:23 AM  Where did Gary Trent, Jr land, or has he? If I were SP, I'd keep our last scholarship in my back pocket and save it for a homerun ball. An impact JUCO, an impact transfer but with a closet full of freshman we're developing maybe hold the last bullet for a potential big splash should one fall into our laps. I spoke to Gary at the Minnesota Bobcat Bash and while he made it clear that his son was not considering OHIO, he also was fully aware that at that time, OHIO had not even reached out or made a token offer. I realize coaches are busy and with limited time/resources you don't want to be wasting your time. However when you consider what a game changer such a pickup like this could be for your resume, your program and your career--I'd at least close my eyes and take a wild swing even though you know it's a 1%'er. I pitched the vision to Trent, Sr. that night. *What a story that would be for Trent, Jr. to follow dad's footsteps. I mean if you're doing an ESPN 30/30 on Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc... what's the chances Trent, Jr. is featured? Doubtful, they've had plenty of those types. But what if they did one on OHIO? Gary, you'd be the feature and this story if Jr. led them to an NCAA run that would be a potential story. *You'd own Athens and the community. He ain't going to own Durham or Lexington as they have 5 other 5 stars already. he'd be the first at OHIO, while he'd be one of a long list of many at these other schools. *At the end of the day if he's 1 & done and he's that good, don't you think scouts these days are going to find him no matter where he goes? Heck, they find guys in Australia and Serbia, they'll find him in Athens, Lexington, Columbus or wherever. Gary laughed but said it wasn't happening, but it'd be worth 10 minutes of my time to pitch the vision especially if you're a salesman like SP and those connections were already in place. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,045 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 9:26:25 AM  I disagree. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,471 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 11:29:06 AM  Chicken George wrote: Where did Gary Trent, Jr land, or has he? If I were SP, I'd keep our last scholarship in my back pocket and save it for a homerun ball. An impact JUCO, an impact transfer but with a closet full of freshman we're developing maybe hold the last bullet for a potential big splash should one fall into our laps. I spoke to Gary at the Minnesota Bobcat Bash and while he made it clear that his son was not considering OHIO, he also was fully aware that at that time, OHIO had not even reached out or made a token offer. I realize coaches are busy and with limited time/resources you don't want to be wasting your time. However when you consider what a game changer such a pickup like this could be for your resume, your program and your career--I'd at least close my eyes and take a wild swing even though you know it's a 1%'er. I pitched the vision to Trent, Sr. that night. *What a story that would be for Trent, Jr. to follow dad's footsteps. I mean if you're doing an ESPN 30/30 on Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc... what's the chances Trent, Jr. is featured? Doubtful, they've had plenty of those types. But what if they did one on OHIO? Gary, you'd be the feature and this story if Jr. led them to an NCAA run that would be a potential story. *You'd own Athens and the community. He ain't going to own Durham or Lexington as they have 5 other 5 stars already. he'd be the first at OHIO, while he'd be one of a long list of many at these other schools. *At the end of the day if he's 1 & done and he's that good, don't you think scouts these days are going to find him no matter where he goes? Heck, they find guys in Australia and Serbia, they'll find him in Athens, Lexington, Columbus or wherever. Gary laughed but said it wasn't happening, but it'd be worth 10 minutes of my time to pitch the vision especially if you're a salesman like SP and those connections were already in place. It's more than just token time. You go out and throw a prayer at a Gary Trent Jr., and at the same time trying to out recruit other mid-majors for a legit player that can make a difference, you will be pounded in the recuriting wars by the "they don't really want you line, they are after Trent, you go there you will never play". And if you don't think this stuff happens, you'd better think again. Gary is a Bobcat and will always be a Bobcat, so if he's telling you in person that his son is not considering OHIO, than believe he's not considering OHIO and move on. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,471 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 11:31:53 AM  As for commenting that the kid won't make a difference or be the star in Durham or Lexington is showing a lack of true understanding for the strong belief in their selves and the competitive drive to be the best v. the best they can be. Now, may not workout that way, but they all believe this, and they all want to challenge themselves at the highest level possible. Even guys who have filled out our roster want to achieve at the highest levels possible, that is what drives them. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,045 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 11:57:57 AM  Agree. Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,794 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 1:18:42 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: As for commenting that the kid won't make a difference or be the star in Durham or Lexington is showing a lack of true understanding for the strong belief in their selves and the competitive drive to be the best v. the best they can be. Now, may not workout that way, but they all believe this, and they all want to challenge themselves at the highest level possible. Even guys who have filled out our roster want to achieve at the highest levels possible, that is what drives them. Billy said it better than I could. I would add a parallel point, one that also applies to Joe Burrow's recruitment. In both cases, I've read posts stating why would these players want to go places where they'll simply sit on the bench, where they won't make a difference, etc. In making those arguments, you demean the players' ability. Well, if they're not that good, if there's something wrong with them that coaches like Coach K in basketball and Urban Meyer in football don't know about, wow, I'd sure like to know what it is. By the way, I wonder how many on this board have actually seen GTJR play IN PERSON, in more than 1 non-AAU game? Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 1:22:37 PM  Chicken George wrote: *You'd own Athens and the community. He ain't going to own Durham or Lexington as they have 5 other 5 stars already. he'd be the first at OHIO, while he'd be one of a long list of many at these other schools. To some extent this might be true but it also comes with extra baggage that he won't have in Durham or Lexington. His dad is a living legend in this town. He will have the expectations of living up to his dad's legendary status and the expectations of being such a high recruit. At Duke or Kentucky he won't be expected to carry the team to fame and glory. He will be expected to be a cog on those teams as they attain fame and glory. He also wouldn't be honing his skills against the best of the best on a daily basis here. It would be awesome for us if he came here but I'm not sure we could reciprocate. Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 762 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 6:49:34 PM  Holy smokes this is a WOW to me. You have an OHIO Alumni, a legend and a guy who you just honored in your arena with a banner that will be up forever--he has a stud son and you don't even offer? Really? Not even a token offer, a courtesy offer, a shot in the dark, a gesture of respect? You disagree with that yet you get hyped up over a 2 Star guard with offers from Kennesaw State, Norfolk State and IUPUI? And you wonder why were not athletic enough? JG would've taken a lotto ticket. Yet we're out looking for niche 2 stars (or note even rated) with offers from schools 2 divisions below the MAC. Sorry guys, that's mindboggling if not just for courtesy. And yes, Gary told me he was fully aware that OHIO had not even bothered to offer and felt the same as I did. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,045 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/18/2016 7:31:20 PM  George...Is there no middle ground between Kennesaw State and Gary Jr? Maybe a courtesy call to the young man would have been a good idea, but anything beyond that would fall into the mistake outlineD by Billy. Understanding that doesn't mean we are resigned to recruiting against low majors. Coach Phillips' recruiting strategy needs another couple of years before passing judgment. For the time being, I'll take 22-11, #2 seed in MAC, RPI #82. Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 374 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/19/2016 10:25:27 PM  I would have or would kick the tires, as they like to say, on Gary Trent Jr., provided you believe he'd fit in with the team's chemistry and wouldn't be a one-and-done, or two-and-done player. I haven't been around for this one-and-done phenomena, but I was around to see the effect of many guys who left programs following their junior season. In quite a few cases, these players listened to agents who were in their ears telling them what they needed to do to improve their draft status. So you'd see guys doing things they didn't do their first two seasons, which quite often hindered the team's continuity and chemistry. For example, if an agent told a kid he needed to become a more dominant scorer, or extend his game out on the floor, you may suddenly see this player jacking up shots or trying to prove they can nail treys--at the expense of better scoring opportunities for his teammates, as well as himself. So, I don't think the one-and-done player is a good idea for mid-major programs. Last Edited: 3/19/2016 10:26:21 PM by FlashGary Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,821 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/20/2016 12:00:58 PM  We have no idea what conversations have taken place. For example, perhaps Ohio has approached Trent and dad said, "he has no interest in going to Ohio. He wants his own experience, not mine." And then both sides agreed to not offer so as to not put dad and son in a position of "turning down" Ohio. We are fans. We have little insight into what happens in practice, in the locker room, team meetings, or on the recruiting trail. Back to Top Speaker of Truth General User Member Since: 1/26/2011 Post Count: 441 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/21/2016 9:12:44 AM  Has anyone posted a good reason for Trent Jr to come to Ohio? Let's be real, if you're a stud like he is, there are a lot better options than coming to Ohio. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/21/2016 10:37:20 AM  cc-cat wrote: We have no idea what conversations have taken place. For example, perhaps Ohio has approached Trent and dad said, "he has no interest in going to Ohio. He wants his own experience, not mine." And then both sides agreed to not offer so as to not put dad and son in a position of "turning down" Ohio. We are fans. We have little insight into what happens in practice, in the locker room, team meetings, or on the recruiting trail. This is exactly where I stand. We have no idea, and most likely, we won't receive that info. While I'm in agreement that a brief conversation should have at least happened, I really believe that he isn't ever going to consider Ohio. And honestly, unless it's the emotional side of things influencing him to play where Dad played, why would he? As Van said, he's going to want to play somewhere that will test his game at the highest level. Most of us can objectively see that Ohio is not that place right now. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/21/2016 1:16:59 PM  OU_Country wrote: cc-cat wrote: We have no idea what conversations have taken place. For example, perhaps Ohio has approached Trent and dad said, "he has no interest in going to Ohio. He wants his own experience, not mine." And then both sides agreed to not offer so as to not put dad and son in a position of "turning down" Ohio. We are fans. We have little insight into what happens in practice, in the locker room, team meetings, or on the recruiting trail. This is exactly where I stand. We have no idea, and most likely, we won't receive that info. While I'm in agreement that a brief conversation should have at least happened, I really believe that he isn't ever going to consider Ohio. And honestly, unless it's the emotional side of things influencing him to play where Dad played, why would he? As Van said, he's going to want to play somewhere that will test his game at the highest level. Most of us can objectively see that Ohio is not that place right now. Samesies. And something else that just was previously mentioned but I never thought about: can you imagine the pressure that kid would be under considering what his dad did here? I know Ohio is not at THAT level of absurdity, but to a certain degree it could get a little crazy in that regard. Go make a name for yourself somewhere else young man. Last Edited: 3/21/2016 1:17:18 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/23/2016 1:56:16 AM  Jr. is probably going to be under "pressure" wherever he goes. If you think that there's pressure in Athens, what are you smoking? If there's pressure in Athens, how does the football coaching staff keep their jobs. I'm not trying to re-hash that argument. It's just fair to say that the lack of conference title over 11 years, 3 or so horrid losses per year each of the last four years--do that at MichState or UWashington or Auburn or PennState or Iowa or any other of scores and scores of schools and you're gone after no more than a year and a half of those 3 or so huge losses per year. There's very, very little pressure at OHIO. Very little. Gary Trent Jr. belongs at OHIO. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,821 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/24/2016 1:02:26 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Gary Trent Jr. belongs at OHIO. Why? Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/24/2016 7:34:32 PM  cc-cat wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Gary Trent Jr. belongs at OHIO. Why? TOS thinks that all kids from Minnesota belong at Ohio. Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 3/25/2016 8:43:02 PM  GoCats105 wrote: OU_Country wrote: cc-cat wrote: We have no idea what conversations have taken place. For example, perhaps Ohio has approached Trent and dad said, "he has no interest in going to Ohio. He wants his own experience, not mine." And then both sides agreed to not offer so as to not put dad and son in a position of "turning down" Ohio. We are fans. We have little insight into what happens in practice, in the locker room, team meetings, or on the recruiting trail. This is exactly where I stand. We have no idea, and most likely, we won't receive that info. While I'm in agreement that a brief conversation should have at least happened, I really believe that he isn't ever going to consider Ohio. And honestly, unless it's the emotional side of things influencing him to play where Dad played, why would he? As Van said, he's going to want to play somewhere that will test his game at the highest level. Most of us can objectively see that Ohio is not that place right now. Samesies. And something else that just was previously mentioned but I never thought about: can you imagine the pressure that kid would be under considering what his dad did here? I know Ohio is not at THAT level of absurdity, but to a certain degree it could get a little crazy in that regard. Go make a name for yourself somewhere else young man. I love the idea of a kid with offers to Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc passing up a chance to go to Ohio because he would be under too much pressure. MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top BobcatSports General User Member Since: 2/2/2006 Post Count: 1,068 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 8/18/2016 3:15:44 PM  THE doesn't make the final cut. Gary Trent Jr.'s final five are Arizona, Kentucky, Duke, Michigan State and UCLA. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,696 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 8/23/2016 10:57:44 PM  Thank God. I'm pulling for MSU. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 8/24/2016 8:53:46 AM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Thank God. I'm pulling for MSU. If not MSU, then 'Zona. I like Sean Miller (and Archie). Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,821 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 10/11/2016 11:23:05 AM  down to 3: Duke, Michigan State and UCLA Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 10/12/2016 1:35:01 PM  I'll take whomever gets on the TV the most. Everytime they cut to dad OHIO gets free publicity. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 10/12/2016 11:49:11 PM  bornacatfan wrote: I'll take whomever gets on the TV the most. Everytime they cut to dad OHIO gets free publicity. +, +. +. Plus RS Bobcat Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Trent Jr.    Posted: 10/24/2016 3:45:55 PM  cc-cat wrote: down to 3: Duke, Michigan State and UCLA He's making a big mistake. These are all fly-by-night programs, led by coaches who aren't very stable with little history of success. 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