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   Posted: 6/28/2015 10:56:48 AM 
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

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Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited
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   Posted: 6/29/2015 7:50:09 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility


+1

Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited


Now we're just talking risk vs. reward. Of course you have to spend time and money to get what you want. The point is, you're never going to know unless you make an effort.
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   Posted: 6/29/2015 1:46:21 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility


+1

Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited


Now we're just talking risk vs. reward. Of course you have to spend time and money to get what you want. The point is, you're never going to know unless you make an effort.


For all we know, he has been approached by Saul & Co and told them not to wasted their resources. There are a lot of basketball players out there. I don't know why we are so caught up with this ONE player just because dad is an alum. This is as crazy as the Joe Burrow craze. These kids are great players...just because they have an Ohio connection doesn't mean they want to play for Ohio. Both probably understand their chances of making it to the next level might be better at a bigger/better program...at least at this point.
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   Posted: 6/29/2015 2:10:58 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility


+1

Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited


Now we're just talking risk vs. reward. Of course you have to spend time and money to get what you want. The point is, you're never going to know unless you make an effort.


My comment was in reference to the one post that said we should just offer. Myself and another was just pointing out there is more to it than just "offering"
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  Message Not Read  RE: Trent Jr.
   Posted: 6/29/2015 2:17:30 PM 
OUBobcat13 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility


+1

Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited


Now we're just talking risk vs. reward. Of course you have to spend time and money to get what you want. The point is, you're never going to know unless you make an effort.


For all we know, he has been approached by Saul & Co and told them not to wasted their resources. There are a lot of basketball players out there. I don't know why we are so caught up with this ONE player just because dad is an alum. This is as crazy as the Joe Burrow craze. These kids are great players...just because they have an Ohio connection doesn't mean they want to play for Ohio. Both probably understand their chances of making it to the next level might be better at a bigger/better program...at least at this point.


Sorry, but the Burrow situation doesn't really compare. We're talking about our all-timer here. His kid is a four-star recruit. As things stand, we have more to offer basketball-wise than we do with football. If we put on the full court press, we might get this kid, we might not. but there's really one guy who can make this happen... Papa. Junior may have decided he just wants his own legacy at another school, whether big time or not. But if there's any interest, how does Dad answer the following questions?

(I hope this is important) Will I get a great education? YES
Can I get to the NBA? I was a lottery pick after three years
Will I get exposure? We were in the top 25 for multiple weeks and easily could have been more and I was featured all over ESPN and national newspapers.
Can I get to the NCAA tournament? We went once when I played, and Ohio has a recent sweet 16 and second round appearance.
Will my coach be there for all three or four years? That's the rumor. He's also a personable and quotable coach with tons of connections who will talk about you and talk about OHIO to anyone who will listen.

Last Edited: 6/29/2015 5:44:27 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat

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   Posted: 6/29/2015 5:38:07 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
But if there's any interest, how does Dad answer the following questions?

(I hope this is important) Will I get a great education? YES
Can I get to the NBA? I was a lottery pick after three years
Will I get exposure? We were in the top 25 for multiple weeks and easily could have been more and I was featured all over ESPN and national newspapers.
Can I get to the NCAA tournament? We went once when I played, and Ohio has a recent sweet 16 and second round appearance.
Will my coach be there for all three or four years? That's the rumor. He's also a personable and quotable coach with tons of connections who will talk about you and talk about OHIO to anyone who will listen.


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Trent Jr.
   Posted: 6/30/2015 7:52:01 AM 
I get the point that offers come from limited resources, all people are saying is have a conversation and tell him he is welcomed. It's not that unreasonable. If he was just a random top tier recruit, then yes it would be a waste of resources. But there is an obvious connection there. Hell, if nothing else, do it out of a courtesy to GT.


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   Posted: 6/30/2015 12:04:32 PM 
Gary posting on FB photos of Jr. Taking LeBron on 1 on 1.
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   Posted: 7/18/2015 12:05:22 AM 
Offer from kentucky
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   Posted: 7/19/2015 2:04:55 AM 
flbobcat wrote:
Offer from kentucky

Wow good for him!


I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 7/19/2015 6:29:42 PM 
This topic seems pretty foolish looking back. We had no chance whether we offer or not. I've beard Boals and OSU have the lead but gonna be a battle now with KY.

Last Edited: 7/19/2015 6:31:11 PM by BuddyLee

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  Message Not Read  RE: Trent Jr.
   Posted: 7/19/2015 9:11:16 PM 
We had no chance at all - any time spent thinking about it or time spent on it would have been wasted limited resource time.

What I really like is whoever get's him - and if he lives up to expectations - every broadcast will have a reference to his dad - the "Shaq of the Mac" - so lot's of OHIO exposure! If tO$U ends up the destination - then you have the Boals/Trent/OHIO connection which just makes the story longer (and includes the beating they gave tO$U in Cbus!)


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   Posted: 7/20/2015 12:05:34 AM 
Let me start first by saying I've never seen Trent, Jr. play a single minute or read a single scouting report. Secondly, I watched the Burrow kid play one game only on TV in his final career game in Athens. Finally, I don't even pretend to understand what it would feel like to be a 4/5 star athlete, or parent of one.

Yet still, it today's world I'm not sure how far-fetched it would be to consider Ohio if my dad coached there, I grew up there, or my father starred there. If you're that good you're going to get noticed and at the end of the day and you'll be a pro if you're meant to be one. When you watch the NBA Draft it's obvious that scouts are looking under every rock and in every country to find guys. And most appealing, while at UK or OSU you may end up a small fish in a big pond, at Ohio if you're that good you're going to be a rock-star. You'll be a legend. The entire program will be centered around you and you'll ignite that entire fan base. That in itself has to make you at least think twice, if only for a moment, in taking the road less traveled.

Yes, there are also many drawbacks too. TV appearances and high profile opportunities will be much, much fewer--but as I said, at the end of the day if you're that good you'll still get your money. Once again, from my totally uneducated perpective, the major concern I'd have is my supporting cast. Would a kid like Burrow have the skilled players and offensive line to make it happen? Would Trent, Jr. have the players around him to highlight his abilities? More than anything else, this would be the area I'd be most concerned about if I chose to make it big, in a small place.
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   Posted: 7/20/2015 4:10:13 AM 
The "making it big in a small place" approach is almost unheard of nowadays. Look at the top 150 HS players every year....last five years only abt one or two a year go mid major...and none of them have been top 25 players like Trent Jr.
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   Posted: 7/20/2015 11:12:38 AM 
Any athlete worth his salt is competitive beyond belief, and will desire to challenge themselves at the highest level possible. The wanting to be the big fish in the pond approach only exist from the fans in that small pond.
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   Posted: 7/20/2015 2:25:10 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
The "making it big in a small place" approach is almost unheard of nowadays. Look at the top 150 HS players every year....last five years only abt one or two a year go mid major...and none of them have been top 25 players like Trent Jr.


Trey Zeigler was close...of course, he might prove your point.
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   Posted: 7/20/2015 2:31:37 PM 
Well, Ziegler's dad was the head coach...a special circumstance.
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   Posted: 7/21/2015 10:22:52 PM 
I dont care what anyone on this board says. Not even extending an offer to Gary Trent Jr by this staff is beyond stupid.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Trent Jr.
   Posted: 7/22/2015 12:30:16 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
OUBobcat13 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility


+1

Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited


Now we're just talking risk vs. reward. Of course you have to spend time and money to get what you want. The point is, you're never going to know unless you make an effort.



For all we know, he has been approached by Saul & Co and told them not to wasted their resources. There are a lot of basketball players out there. I don't know why we are so caught up with this ONE player just because dad is an alum. This is as crazy as the Joe Burrow craze. These kids are great players...just because they have an Ohio connection doesn't mean they want to play for Ohio. Both probably understand their chances of making it to the next level might be better at a bigger/better program...at least at this point.


Sorry, but the Burrow situation doesn't really compare. We're talking about our all-timer here. His kid is a four-star recruit. As things stand, we have more to offer basketball-wise than we do with football. If we put on the full court press, we might get this kid, we might not. but there's really one guy who can make this happen... Papa. Junior may have decided he just wants his own legacy at another school, whether big time or not. But if there's any interest, how does Dad answer the following questions?

(I hope this is important) Will I get a great education? YES
Can I get to the NBA? I was a lottery pick after three years
Will I get exposure? We were in the top 25 for multiple weeks and easily could have been more and I was featured all over ESPN and national newspapers.
Can I get to the NCAA tournament? We went once when I played, and Ohio has a recent sweet 16 and second round appearance.
Will my coach be there for all three or four years? That's the rumor. He's also a personable and quotable coach with tons of connections who will talk about you and talk about OHIO to anyone who will listen.



As usual, I find myself in complete agreement with DFC. And Hawaiian.

Some have alluded to the 'costs' of offering. Illuminate us; what are those costs?

Yes, it is bad basketball and bad business for us not to offer. Anyone who disagrees must be merely making argument for argument's sake.


Last Edited: 7/22/2015 12:31:10 AM by Monroe Slavin


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   Posted: 7/22/2015 8:06:29 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Well, Ziegler's dad was the head coach...a special circumstance.

I agree that was a special circumstance.

I think the argument for offering someone like Joey Burrow and Trent Jr is thinking those also could be special circumstances.
Having a parent who is a head coach is probably be a stronger draw than having a parent who is a coordinator on the opposite side of the ball or having a parent who played at the school in their playing days.
But I also wouldn't say that Trent Jr has "no ties" to OHIO. I know TONS of Bobcats who chose to attend OHIO in part because of family ties to the school. Is it different for a 5* recruit? Absolutely. He's got a lot of different things to consider compared to your average student. I would still say there is more than "no ties" for a kid with these kind of family ties...
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2012/news/features/steve_...

Personally, I'd rather we offer and miss out than have to listen to the announcers talking about how OHIO didn't even recruit Trent Jr when we are playing Kentucky in the Big Dance in a couple years... What does it "cost" us beyond a good-spirited conversation?


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   Posted: 7/22/2015 10:18:57 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
OUBobcat13 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility


+1

Lots go into offering, including time and money, two things that are limited


Now we're just talking risk vs. reward. Of course you have to spend time and money to get what you want. The point is, you're never going to know unless you make an effort.



For all we know, he has been approached by Saul & Co and told them not to wasted their resources. There are a lot of basketball players out there. I don't know why we are so caught up with this ONE player just because dad is an alum. This is as crazy as the Joe Burrow craze. These kids are great players...just because they have an Ohio connection doesn't mean they want to play for Ohio. Both probably understand their chances of making it to the next level might be better at a bigger/better program...at least at this point.


Sorry, but the Burrow situation doesn't really compare. We're talking about our all-timer here. His kid is a four-star recruit. As things stand, we have more to offer basketball-wise than we do with football. If we put on the full court press, we might get this kid, we might not. but there's really one guy who can make this happen... Papa. Junior may have decided he just wants his own legacy at another school, whether big time or not. But if there's any interest, how does Dad answer the following questions?

(I hope this is important) Will I get a great education? YES
Can I get to the NBA? I was a lottery pick after three years
Will I get exposure? We were in the top 25 for multiple weeks and easily could have been more and I was featured all over ESPN and national newspapers.
Can I get to the NCAA tournament? We went once when I played, and Ohio has a recent sweet 16 and second round appearance.
Will my coach be there for all three or four years? That's the rumor. He's also a personable and quotable coach with tons of connections who will talk about you and talk about OHIO to anyone who will listen.



As usual, I find myself in complete agreement with DFC. And Hawaiian.

Some have alluded to the 'costs' of offering. Illuminate us; what are those costs?

Yes, it is bad basketball and bad business for us not to offer. Anyone who disagrees must be merely making argument for argument's sake.




I think some are thinking an offer is simply calling a player and telling them you'd like to make them an offer. I suppose you can do that, and I guess it wouldn't hurt for Ohio to do that, but I think if you're serious about an offer, you make a visit to the kid. That is costly in terms of travel and probably more than that taking time away from something else the coaches could be doing. I'm not necessarily against making an offer to Trent, but I certainly see the side of those who say it's almost certainly a waste of time and resources.
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   Posted: 7/22/2015 10:24:28 AM 
Really? Let's say those efforts resulted in a tentative yes or in apparent real interest. Would you not spend any more time, effort or costs because we didn't get a definite 'yes.'

Should we only recruit those we're sure of landing ...and at the least possible cost?

Should there be no extra effort here in light of the special relationship with the father?


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   Posted: 7/22/2015 12:23:45 PM 
Bobcatzblitz wrote:
I dont care what anyone on this board says. Not even extending an offer to Gary Trent Jr by this staff is beyond stupid.


And you're sure we didn't make any inquiries?
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   Posted: 7/22/2015 12:27:13 PM 
There is a tremendous amount of time and communication that goes into recruiting. Yes, we can make an offer, but if we are truly interested in recruiting a kid - then you go all in. But here is a catch no one from Athens to LA has raised. Let's assume Jr. has no interest in coming to Athens. He is standing with an offer from Kentucky after all. If that is the case, Dad may not want to be put in a position where his son has to turn down an offer from the alma mater. I don't think it causes much heartburn, but he has taken steps to be in the inner circle - I can see some on this board feeling betrayed when jr. heads elsewhere - so why deal with it.

Saul is an adult and an experienced coach. Anyone who thinks he has not reached out to the Trent family to gauge the opportunity is naive...or worse. If there was a chance, he'd pursue. If not, why create the illusion or drama (with some).

Personally, I don't care who we offer to. What matters is "interested" - "committed" - "signed" - "enrolled" - "win" - "contribute" - "start" - "star"

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   Posted: 7/22/2015 5:05:29 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
..........


Personally, I don't care who we offer to. What matters is "interested" - "committed" - "signed" - "enrolled" - "win" - "contribute" - "start" - "star"



I like this a lot. I'll add to that:

"graduate"


It's important to me that we're graduating as many guys and gals as we have lately. I love the sport, and I love winning, but this is college athletics, and I personally like seeing my school graduating the good players we've had. Graduating and being decent human beings is something that I include as part of the equation.

Back to Gary Jr., I hope he goes to UK or Duke and does well. It will give us something interesting to talk about during basketball season in a few years.




Last Edited: 7/22/2015 5:05:58 PM by OU_Country

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