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   Posted: 2/2/2021 2:07:47 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
My past few posts have been to show the idiocy of these mandates, regulations & all the rest. If anyone feels unsafe STAY HOME! Let the rest of us live our lives.


Many states have lifted regulations, and guess what people are still not doing business as usual. Yet strangely, people in those states are still blaming the government. Fact is many people think they have to have a boogie man.


Lifted what regulations? From where I sit there are no states without some type of restrictions on bars, restaurants, sporting events, schools and large gatherings. Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


There are a lot of places that have basically no restrictions in place: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen...

As was pointed out to you yesterday, with actual data, people are choosing to spend less time at bars, restaurants, sporting events, large gatherings, etc. They're doing so because they view Covid as a risk, and one which they can help mitigate for themselves and others by taking precautions.

The notion that it's the restrictions themselves causing the change in behavior just doesn't seem supported by the data.



Do regulations on bar or restaurant capacity qualify as "basically" no restrictions? If a place of business is limited in their capacity by a government mandate they are operating under a restriction. If the restrictions are not what is keeping people away why have the restrictions? Those who aren't going now could continue to not go without the restrictions and those who choose to go could under their own free will.

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   Posted: 2/2/2021 3:23:26 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


Do regulations on bar or restaurant capacity qualify as "basically" no restrictions?


No. There are a bunch of states with no restrictions on restaurant capacity -- Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Nebraska, South Carolina amongst them.

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

If a place of business is limited in their capacity by a government mandate they are operating under a restriction.


I don't disagree with this. I'm pointing out that there are many places with very few restrictions, if any.

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

If the restrictions are not what is keeping people away why have the restrictions?


Because the leaders of states with restrictions view their role in keeping the populace safe differently than you do, and believe that lives are being saved by restricting restaurant capacity. I understand that you disagree, but there's plenty of evidence out there suggesting that such indoor settings have been 'super spreaders.' I don't think this is an easy answer.



ohiocatfan1 wrote:


Those who aren't going now could continue to not go without the restrictions and those who choose to go could under their own free will.



Adding to the complexity is that the risk is not solely limited to those who choose to eat in a restaurant. It extends to everybody they come in close contact with afterwards.

I think this is a really difficult policy decision being informed by data and insight that's consistently changing, just like the virus itself. I think it's incredibly easy for people who don't make difficult decisions to second guess those made my others, but much harder in practice.

I've had to implement Covid policies for a large population of front-line workers. There are basically no good options. Two of my wife's colleagues died of complications of Covid. These are very difficult decisions with real impacts and basically the only thing I know with any degree of certainty is that people like you -- who insist they know all the answers -- do not.

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   Posted: 2/2/2021 3:44:08 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


Do regulations on bar or restaurant capacity qualify as "basically" no restrictions?


No. There are a bunch of states with no restrictions on restaurant capacity -- Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Nebraska, South Carolina amongst them.

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

If a place of business is limited in their capacity by a government mandate they are operating under a restriction.


I don't disagree with this. I'm pointing out that there are many places with very few restrictions, if any.

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

If the restrictions are not what is keeping people away why have the restrictions?


Because the leaders of states with restrictions view their role in keeping the populace safe differently than you do, and believe that lives are being saved by restricting restaurant capacity. I understand that you disagree, but there's plenty of evidence out there suggesting that such indoor settings have been 'super spreaders.' I don't think this is an easy answer.



ohiocatfan1 wrote:


Those who aren't going now could continue to not go without the restrictions and those who choose to go could under their own free will.



Adding to the complexity is that the risk is not solely limited to those who choose to eat in a restaurant. It extends to everybody they come in close contact with afterwards.

I think this is a really difficult policy decision being informed by data and insight that's consistently changing, just like the virus itself. I think it's incredibly easy for people who don't make difficult decisions to second guess those made my others, but much harder in practice.

I've had to implement Covid policies for a large population of front-line workers. There are basically no good options. Two of my wife's colleagues died of complications of Covid. These are very difficult decisions with real impacts and basically the only thing I know with any degree of certainty is that people like you -- who insist they know all the answers -- do not.


I understand all those points. I do take issue with "it's incredibly easy for people who don't make difficult decisions to second guess those made my others, but much harder in practice." I didn't seek office to be in a position that would require making those decisions others did and it's totally acceptable to question those decisions. I have never said I have all the answers. What I am saying is the way things are being dealt with now are not the only possible solutions. Of the states you listed there are many counties and local depts of health that have implemented their own mandates so you are technicially correct the mandates are not from the state level.

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   Posted: 2/2/2021 4:15:56 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


I understand all those points. I do take issue with "it's incredibly easy for people who don't make difficult decisions to second guess those made my others, but much harder in practice." I didn't seek office to be in a position that would require making those decisions others did and it's totally acceptable to question those decisions.


I didn't suggest it isn't acceptable to question those decisions. I just stated it's really easy to do so, and much harder to devise actual policy given the difficulty of the situation.


ohiocatfan1 wrote:

I have never said I have all the answers.


You're right. You didn't. You just acted like the sort of person who thinks he does.


ohiocatfan1 wrote:

What I am saying is the way things are being dealt with now are not the only possible solutions.


Nobody claimed otherwise. And yet, you've ranted about this very point in very weird ways for 25 posts.

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

Of the states you listed there are many counties and local depts of health that have implemented their own mandates so you are technicially correct the mandates are not from the state level.


That still does not negate my point: there are many places with very few restrictions.

You think the restrictions are unnecessary. You also think the case numbers are overstated, and that the disease isn't as deadly as reported. Many, many people -- including the majority of people in a position to make related decisions, disagree.

So what next?
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   Posted: 2/2/2021 4:22:54 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


I understand all those points. I do take issue with "it's incredibly easy for people who don't make difficult decisions to second guess those made my others, but much harder in practice." I didn't seek office to be in a position that would require making those decisions others did and it's totally acceptable to question those decisions.


I didn't suggest it isn't acceptable to question those decisions. I just stated it's really easy to do so, and much harder to devise actual policy given the difficulty of the situation.


ohiocatfan1 wrote:

I have never said I have all the answers.


You're right. You didn't. You just acted like the sort of person who thinks he does.


ohiocatfan1 wrote:

What I am saying is the way things are being dealt with now are not the only possible solutions.


Nobody claimed otherwise. And yet, you've ranted about this very point in very weird ways for 25 posts.

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

Of the states you listed there are many counties and local depts of health that have implemented their own mandates so you are technicially correct the mandates are not from the state level.


That still does not negate my point: there are many places with very few restrictions.

You think the restrictions are unnecessary. You also think the case numbers are overstated, and that the disease isn't as deadly as reported. Many, many people -- including the majority of people in a position to make related decisions, disagree.

So what next?


As long as there are people like this Governor making the decisions we're all better off.

https://savejersey.com/2021/02/governor-phil-murphy-new-j... /

The title of this thread is "A way to get fans back in the stands". Here's the answer: open the damn doors!

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   Posted: 2/2/2021 7:22:15 PM 
Yes, there are many states that have lifted restrictions on bars and restaurants, I stand by that statement.
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   Posted: 2/3/2021 12:36:35 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
My past few posts have been to show the idiocy of these mandates, regulations & all the rest. If anyone feels unsafe STAY HOME! Let the rest of us live our lives.


Many states have lifted regulations, and guess what people are still not doing business as usual. Yet strangely, people in those states are still blaming the government. Fact is many people think they have to have a boogie man.


Lifted what regulations? From where I sit there are no states without some type of restrictions on bars, restaurants, sporting events, schools and large gatherings. Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Two thoughts:

*How long do you suppose it might take for something to get done via legislation? And should every single decision, no matter how small, go through the elected legislature?

*That one office holder is consulting a team of people to make decisions. It's not one individual making decisions all on his own in Ohio.
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   Posted: 2/3/2021 12:53:31 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)?
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   Posted: 2/3/2021 1:00:25 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)?


Shouldn't make any difference to anyone who the elected leader is. No one person in an Executive branch of government should have endless authority to shut down businesses and issue orders & mandates regarding individual choices. We have an elected legislature to represent us and they have been completely circumvented. I blame this as much on them as I do the Executive branch. These things should be debated with constituent input and laws passed and either signed or vetoed.

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   Posted: 2/3/2021 4:04:17 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
[QUOTE=ohiocatfan1]Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)? [/QUOTES]

Shouldn't make any difference to anyone who the elected leader is. No one person in an Executive branch of government should have endless authority to shut down businesses and issue orders & mandates regarding individual choices. We have an elected legislature to represent us and they have been completely circumvented. I blame this as much on them as I do the Executive branch. These things should be debated with constituent input and laws passed and either signed or vetoed.



You must have slept through government class when dealing with powers of the executive branch
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   Posted: 2/3/2021 4:07:55 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
[QUOTE=ohiocatfan1]Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)? [/QUOTES]

Shouldn't make any difference to anyone who the elected leader is. No one person in an Executive branch of government should have endless authority to shut down businesses and issue orders & mandates regarding individual choices. We have an elected legislature to represent us and they have been completely circumvented. I blame this as much on them as I do the Executive branch. These things should be debated with constituent input and laws passed and either signed or vetoed.



You must have slept through government class when dealing with powers of the executive branch


I must have because as I remember laws are passed in the Legislature.

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   Posted: 2/3/2021 6:31:14 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
[QUOTE=ohiocatfan1]Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)? [/QUOTES]

Shouldn't make any difference to anyone who the elected leader is. No one person in an Executive branch of government should have endless authority to shut down businesses and issue orders & mandates regarding individual choices. We have an elected legislature to represent us and they have been completely circumvented. I blame this as much on them as I do the Executive branch. These things should be debated with constituent input and laws passed and either signed or vetoed.



You must have slept through government class when dealing with powers of the executive branch


I must have because as I remember laws are passed in the Legislature.



Then you missed the fact the executive has powers that carry the impact of law through executive agencies. I get youíve seen School House Rock, yet thatís a bit over simplistic of the real world.
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   Posted: 2/3/2021 9:30:59 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
I get youíve seen School House Rock, yet thatís a bit over simplistic of the real world.


Except for Conjunction Junction - who does have a function.

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   Posted: 2/4/2021 9:33:07 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
[QUOTE=ohiocatfan1]Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)? [/QUOTES]

Shouldn't make any difference to anyone who the elected leader is. No one person in an Executive branch of government should have endless authority to shut down businesses and issue orders & mandates regarding individual choices. We have an elected legislature to represent us and they have been completely circumvented. I blame this as much on them as I do the Executive branch. These things should be debated with constituent input and laws passed and either signed or vetoed.



You must have slept through government class when dealing with powers of the executive branch


I must have because as I remember laws are passed in the Legislature.



Then you missed the fact the executive has powers that carry the impact of law through executive agencies. I get youíve seen School House Rock, yet thatís a bit over simplistic of the real world.


There may be an Ohio Governor come along someday who circumvents the Legislature with a mandate you don't support.

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   Posted: 2/4/2021 10:57:10 AM 
Then there are idiots like the store owner in Naples, Florida: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/florida-grocer...

In another version of this story he makes the comment that people die from heart attacks so why don't we shut down the country over heart attacks? If he's too friggin' stupid to know the difference, you have to wonder how well he runs his store. Better check those expiration dates, folks. As a friend of mine used to say about people like that, "And to think his vote counts the same as yours and mine."


We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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   Posted: 2/4/2021 3:27:21 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


As long as there are people like this Governor making the decisions we're all better off.

https://savejersey.com/2021/02/governor-phil-murphy-new-j... /

The title of this thread is "A way to get fans back in the stands". Here's the answer: open the damn doors!


Is wearing a mask shoveling snow overkill? Yep. Does it matter even a little bit? Nope. There's no enforcement, no repercussions for choosing not to comply, and frankly, the Venn diagram of people who think this is a violation of constitutional rights and people who are ass**les is basically a single circle.

For the life of me, I will never get over how much whining people did about masks. The message from Governor Murphy is basically "Be considerate of your neighbors" and a big chunk of America won't stop crying about it. Me? I just wear a mask. Why? Because it's super easy to do, I have no reason not to, and it's the decent thing to do. I do it doe the exact same reason I give up my seat to the elderly on the subway, or hold the door open for people. Common courtesy.

I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever, and stamp my feet so everybody knows how smart I am. But I'd rather just participate in society like an adult and do all the very tiny, easy things I can do to try and put Covid behind us. Even if their efficacy is questionable.



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   Posted: 2/4/2021 3:50:42 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


As long as there are people like this Governor making the decisions we're all better off.

https://savejersey.com/2021/02/governor-phil-murphy-new-j... /

The title of this thread is "A way to get fans back in the stands". Here's the answer: open the damn doors!


Is wearing a mask shoveling snow overkill? Yep. Does it matter even a little bit? Nope. There's no enforcement, no repercussions for choosing not to comply, and frankly, the Venn diagram of people who think this is a violation of constitutional rights and people who are ass**les is basically a single circle.

For the life of me, I will never get over how much whining people did about masks. The message from Governor Murphy is basically "Be considerate of your neighbors" and a big chunk of America won't stop crying about it. Me? I just wear a mask. Why? Because it's super easy to do, I have no reason not to, and it's the decent thing to do. I do it doe the exact same reason I give up my seat to the elderly on the subway, or hold the door open for people. Common courtesy.

I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever, and stamp my feet so everybody knows how smart I am. But I'd rather just participate in society like an adult and do all the very tiny, easy things I can do to try and put Covid behind us. Even if their efficacy is questionable.





I support your freedom to do those things 100%. I only ask you to consider that some may not share your opinion. It is not unlawful (yet) to have a differing opinion on things.

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   Posted: 2/4/2021 4:32:16 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever...


I support your freedom to do those things 100%. I only ask you to consider that some may not share your opinion. It is not unlawful (yet) to have a differing opinion on things.



I guess that may be a big difference between many of us. Many of us think we were a better county when those actions were frowned upon.
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   Posted: 2/4/2021 4:39:27 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever...


I support your freedom to do those things 100%. I only ask you to consider that some may not share your opinion. It is not unlawful (yet) to have a differing opinion on things.



I guess that may be a big difference between many of us. Many of us think we were a better county when those actions were frowned upon.


I don't remember marching on the Capitol or being involved in a plot to kidnap anyone.

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   Posted: 2/4/2021 10:19:50 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:


As long as there are people like this Governor making the decisions we're all better off.

https://savejersey.com/2021/02/governor-phil-murphy-new-j... /

The title of this thread is "A way to get fans back in the stands". Here's the answer: open the damn doors!


Is wearing a mask shoveling snow overkill? Yep. Does it matter even a little bit? Nope. There's no enforcement, no repercussions for choosing not to comply, and frankly, the Venn diagram of people who think this is a violation of constitutional rights and people who are ass**les is basically a single circle.

For the life of me, I will never get over how much whining people did about masks. The message from Governor Murphy is basically "Be considerate of your neighbors" and a big chunk of America won't stop crying about it. Me? I just wear a mask. Why? Because it's super easy to do, I have no reason not to, and it's the decent thing to do. I do it doe the exact same reason I give up my seat to the elderly on the subway, or hold the door open for people. Common courtesy.

I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever, and stamp my feet so everybody knows how smart I am. But I'd rather just participate in society like an adult and do all the very tiny, easy things I can do to try and put Covid behind us. Even if their efficacy is questionable.



I support your freedom to do those things 100%. I only ask you to consider that some may not share your opinion. It is not unlawful (yet) to have a differing opinion on things.



In the post above, I made clear that I don't agree with that particular statement from Governor Whoever.

To be very clear that means that:

Both you and I have an opinion that differs from that of the Governor of New Jersey.

My response to that difference of opinion is to shrug and go on with my life, because it has literally no impact on me and the suggestion is so minor that I have trouble seeing how anybody would find it problematic.

Your response is to insist free thought's doomed and it's going to become illegal to have a different opinion than [checks notes] the Governor of New Jersey.

So, from where I stand, man, you're the one who seems completely incapable of accepting a difference of opinion. Because to me, it looks an awful lot like you have a difference of opinion with the Governor of New Jersey about wearing masks during a pandemic, and instead of "considering that some may not share your opinion" (to quote you) you're insisting those that don't share your opinion are marching us towards fascism. You're here lecturing people about allowing others to have different opinions, while subtly insisting that -- in this case -- the people who disagree with you are trying to kill free thought.










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   Posted: 2/5/2021 8:06:23 AM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
[QUOTE=ohiocatfan1]Does it not bother anyone that here in Ohio NONE of these mandates have gone through the elected legislature? They have all been issued by one office holder.


Is that one office holder listening to the experts (DeWine) or is that one office holder not listening to the experts (Trump)? [/QUOTES]

Shouldn't make any difference to anyone who the elected leader is. No one person in an Executive branch of government should have endless authority to shut down businesses and issue orders & mandates regarding individual choices. We have an elected legislature to represent us and they have been completely circumvented. I blame this as much on them as I do the Executive branch. These things should be debated with constituent input and laws passed and either signed or vetoed.



You must have slept through government class when dealing with powers of the executive branch


I must have because as I remember laws are passed in the Legislature.



Then you missed the fact the executive has powers that carry the impact of law through executive agencies. I get youíve seen School House Rock, yet thatís a bit over simplistic of the real world.


There may be an Ohio Governor come along someday who circumvents the Legislature with a mandate you don't support.



Itís not a matter of my support or lack of support! Thatís hypocritical, if itís legal and within constitutional powers, then itís valid and you have checks and balances if you do not support it.

Again, has zero to do with any personal preference of mine. Is it legal? Yes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way to get fans back in the stands?
   Posted: 2/5/2021 9:00:57 AM 
Don't get your panties all in a bunch everyone. Just because I don't think Covid is worth the costs of shutting businesses & schools down and throwing millions out of work doesn't mean I'm inhumane.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way to get fans back in the stands?
   Posted: 2/5/2021 10:15:15 AM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever...


I support your freedom to do those things 100%. I only ask you to consider that some may not share your opinion. It is not unlawful (yet) to have a differing opinion on things.



I guess that may be a big difference between many of us. Many of us think we were a better county when those actions were frowned upon.


I don't remember marching on the Capitol or being involved in a plot to kidnap anyone.



but according to you - 100% support folks doing those things.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way to get fans back in the stands?
   Posted: 2/5/2021 10:17:32 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I mean, I guess instead, I could march on the capital, plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan or whatever...


I support your freedom to do those things 100%. I only ask you to consider that some may not share your opinion. It is not unlawful (yet) to have a differing opinion on things.



I guess that may be a big difference between many of us. Many of us think we were a better county when those actions were frowned upon.


I don't remember marching on the Capitol or being involved in a plot to kidnap anyone.



but according to you - 100% support folks doing those things.


Are you insane or do you just have trouble reading? Where did I say 100% support folks doing those things?
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  Message Not Read  RE: A way to get fans back in the stands?
   Posted: 2/5/2021 12:35:04 PM 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/health/covid-19-indoor-din...

"it's legal to drive a car but it's safer not to do it"
"it's legal to drink soda but it's safer not do do it"
"it's legal to use tobacco but it's safer not to do it"

The restaurant industry has always been one of the most regulated (as it should be) in our entire economy. Subject to surprise inspection at any time by health departments for safety and cleanliness. Is the goal to totally destroy the industry? Restaurant & lodging industry lost 600,000 jobs in the past 2 months.

Last Edited: 2/5/2021 4:02:33 PM by ohiocatfan1

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