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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/7/2019 8:02:19 AM 
The University spokesperson announced there was a "lack of evidence that hazing had occurred".

Two other Inter-fraternity council organizations were reprimanded for making pledges carry fruit with them at all times while pledging.....Man that is some serious, serious, serious violations right there!! Glad these groups and people have been drug through the mud.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/7/2019 8:27:31 AM 
If only there were sanctions for grammatical shortcomings...

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/7/2019 6:33:55 PM 
It's been 40 years, yet Dru Evarts' influence on SBH hasn't waned.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/7/2019 6:50:47 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
It's been 40 years, yet Dru Evarts' influence on SBH hasn't waned.


I'm betting that his dad had something to do with that too even before he got to OU.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/7/2019 8:29:44 PM 
True, there was the occasional grammar test at the dinner table, but pretty sure I knew the plural of sorority by age 8.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/8/2019 7:45:12 AM 
SBH wrote:
True, there was the occasional grammar test at the dinner table, but pretty sure I knew the plural of sorority by age 8.


And here I thought you were talking about the placement of a period inside quotation marks.

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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:38:37 AM 
For me, aside from the obvious sorority's/sororities error, it was drug/dragged. There were at least four grammatical errors in this incredibly short post.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:54:45 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
It's been 40 years, yet Dru Evarts' influence on SBH hasn't waned.


Dr. Evarts once paid a friend and I to help out with a dinner party she was hosting. We basically just acted as wait staff, bartenders, and did the dishes. But I very distinctly remember her subtly correcting the grammar of two guests at that party. I feel like everybody in her presence spoke very carefully.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/8/2019 12:25:53 PM 
...and me.
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/10/2019 8:55:29 AM 
Sounds like dru hosted a lively party if picking on grammar and spelling is something that lured out the fun at a party just think what punishment the modern university administration would do to dru thatís surely a violation of bullying probably a campus ban would be in order

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/10/2019 3:24:27 PM 
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/10/2019 7:48:57 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.


You would think a guy who spent as much time as you did in Ellis Hall would know when he's being played. Keep it up though, because the free show has been most entertaining.

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/10/2019 8:09:42 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.


You would think a guy who spent as much time as you did in Ellis Hall would know when he's being played. Keep it up though, because the free show has been most entertaining.



Or, maybe you just see it that way because you and I disagreed about the handling of the suspensions?

And reasonable people see Billy's trolling for what it is?

Who knows.

Last Edited: 11/10/2019 8:14:20 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/11/2019 1:55:26 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.


You would think a guy who spent as much time as you did in Ellis Hall would know when he's being played. Keep it up though, because the free show has been most entertaining.



Or, maybe you just see it that way because you and I disagreed about the handling of the suspensions?

And reasonable people see Billy's trolling for what it is?

Who knows.


you continue to fall for troll bait What does that say about you?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/11/2019 5:57:29 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.


You would think a guy who spent as much time as you did in Ellis Hall would know when he's being played. Keep it up though, because the free show has been most entertaining.



Or, maybe you just see it that way because you and I disagreed about the handling of the suspensions?

And reasonable people see Billy's trolling for what it is?

Who knows.


you continue to fall for troll bait What does that say about you?


If continuing to reply to you is "falling for troll bait," I'm cool with that. I just can't resist the opportunity to hear you tell your joke again.

What does that say about me? Who knows. But psychologist do know which personality traits lead to internet trolling. Give it a Google some time. Spoiler alert: it's not a flattering profile.

By the way, love the way you've abandoned all punctuation and grammar in this thread to try and pretend your initial post was an intentional decision now that you've been called out. That's not at all sad and obvious.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/12/2019 9:56:09 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.


You would think a guy who spent as much time as you did in Ellis Hall would know when he's being played. Keep it up though, because the free show has been most entertaining.



Or, maybe you just see it that way because you and I disagreed about the handling of the suspensions?

And reasonable people see Billy's trolling for what it is?

Who knows.


you continue to fall for troll bait What does that say about you?


If continuing to reply to you is "falling for troll bait," I'm cool with that. I just can't resist the opportunity to hear you tell your joke again.

What does that say about me? Who knows. But psychologist do know which personality traits lead to internet trolling. Give it a Google some time. Spoiler alert: it's not a flattering profile.

By the way, love the way you've abandoned all punctuation and grammar in this thread to try and pretend your initial post was an intentional decision now that you've been called out. That's not at all sad and obvious.




^^^^ Triggered!

SDSU, just gave an example of how to handle a death. Immediate cease and desist, not wait 11 months.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/12/2019 10:26:14 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Yeah, she corrected people's spelling. At a dinner party. Where all communication was verbal. That's some A+ critical thinking, Billy.


You would think a guy who spent as much time as you did in Ellis Hall would know when he's being played. Keep it up though, because the free show has been most entertaining.



Or, maybe you just see it that way because you and I disagreed about the handling of the suspensions?

And reasonable people see Billy's trolling for what it is?

Who knows.


you continue to fall for troll bait What does that say about you?


If continuing to reply to you is "falling for troll bait," I'm cool with that. I just can't resist the opportunity to hear you tell your joke again.

What does that say about me? Who knows. But psychologist do know which personality traits lead to internet trolling. Give it a Google some time. Spoiler alert: it's not a flattering profile.

By the way, love the way you've abandoned all punctuation and grammar in this thread to try and pretend your initial post was an intentional decision now that you've been called out. That's not at all sad and obvious.




^^^^ Triggered!

SDSU, just gave an example of how to handle a death. Immediate cease and desist, not wait 11 months.


Ha. Again, happy to compare my posts on this subject to your reaction and gauge them for anger. Somehow the group calling for resignations, insisting this was a disgrace to the University, and positing a grand conspiracy against the fraternities is the side who. . .isn't angry.

But the folks going "yeah, I can see how this was necessary because of the death last year" are the triggered ones.

Not surprising you've abandoned the initial thread on this, by the way. It's a hilarious read. 8 pages of old grads frothing at the mouth about anti-fraternity conspiracies, "investigating the investigators," and calling for resignations because no details of the accusations were released. And then the details are released and. . .the thread ends 3 posts later. A more skeptical person might conclude all that concern about 'releasing details' wasn't 100% genuine and was just a bunch of irrationally angry people trying really hard to find a justification for their anger.

And numerous people have responded to the same point you keep making over and over again about the 11 month wait with a very rational explanation. That you keep ignoring that and failing to engage in even a basic conversation about said explanation says everything that needs to be said about your point.

But I get it, man. This made you super angry, irrationally so, and now here you are in the aftermath of all of this desperately flailing around for a way to justify your weird, weird behavior. It's going super well.

Last Edited: 11/12/2019 10:41:10 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/12/2019 1:29:38 PM 
I haven't abandoned anything, I'm just having fun watching you try and explain yourself, like I even care. ;-)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/12/2019 1:41:51 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
I haven't abandoned anything, I'm just having fun watching you try and explain yourself, like I even care. ;-)


Yep, your 112 posts on the matter really illustrate how little you care.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/12/2019 10:59:38 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
I haven't abandoned anything, I'm just having fun watching you try and explain yourself, like I even care. ;-)


Yep, your 112 posts on the matter really illustrate how little you care.



Just keeping you busy, I havenít even read your last 4 post, Iím just enjoying wasting your energy. Gets bored laid up in Lindley Inn all day.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/13/2019 9:59:38 AM 
Just for the record, I now know the awful behavior my fraternity was suspended for. Better sit down for this one! They made pledges clean activesí rooms. Oh the utter horror of it all. This is why the university has such a black eye over this whole fiasco with many alumni. They knew from the beginning that this was the sole charge against my frat, but they lumped them in with groups for which they had charges of forced drinking and other reckless behavior. In fact, my frat was one of the first three the suspended, before they got even more bizarre and suspended them all. This whole ordeal was handled very poorly and heads should roll. Iíd start with empty suit Nellis.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/13/2019 11:14:35 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


Iíd start with empty suit Nellis.


Other then his usual First Of The Month letter,which didn't broach this subject,Nellis has been MIA on this whole thing.

I'm thinking about starting a "Where's Nellis" book series. :-)

I also saw on the football board a post that Nellis and Julie should
try to talk Coach Solich into retiring.
Maybe Julie.
But I just don't see Nellis wanting to try to tackle (pun intended) anything
like that.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/13/2019 12:36:26 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Just for the record, I now know the awful behavior my fraternity was suspended for. Better sit down for this one! They made pledges clean activesí rooms. Oh the utter horror of it all. This is why the university has such a black eye over this whole fiasco with many alumni. They knew from the beginning that this was the sole charge against my frat, but they lumped them in with groups for which they had charges of forced drinking and other reckless behavior. In fact, my frat was one of the first three the suspended, before they got even more bizarre and suspended them all. This whole ordeal was handled very poorly and heads should roll. Iíd start with empty suit Nellis.


The Venn Diagram of people on this board who think heads should roll for this and people who have made their dislike of Nellis clear prior to this is a perfect circle.

Can you point to any negative publicity about this? It seems like there were reports of the hazing/suspensions that were picked up nothing beyond that. I don't doubt that there are people that think the University has a black eye from this. But again, a Venn diagram of people who were upset about this before the details were known and people who are upset about this now -- at least here -- is basically a perfect circle. So all sort of feels a bit self-fulfilling, no?

Last Edited: 11/13/2019 6:16:53 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/13/2019 1:59:42 PM 
So, timetable works something like this, right?

Nov 2018--Collin Wiant, an 18 year-old student, dies from matters related to hazing issues. Reports surface that Wiant was forced to drink to excess, get high on nitrous oxide (whippets), and had been subjected to Xanax by the fraternity so that he could do work for upperclassmen.

Nov 2018--Sigma Pi Epsilon receives a cease and desist letter from university as an investigation begins.

April 12, 2019--Sigma PI Epsilon is permanently banned by Ohio University. News is delivered by Dean of Students, Jenny Hall-Jones. From the investigation, it was determined that the fraternity engaged in forced calisthenics, whippings, beatings, forced drug use, underage drinking, physical threats. Despite many allegations being substantiated, a number of members of the fraternity repeatedly told the board that they 'did not recall' or 'could not remember' many events related to their hazing.

October 3, 2019--Ohio University, following allegations during the next pledge season from multiple fraternities, suspends all fraternities while they investigate practices throughout Greek life. This follows allegations of hazing by seven of the 15 fraternities. The university labels the move a 'proactive step' so that the IFC can reevaluate practices and redefine the Greek community at OHIO. It is reported that the seven allegations all came within a 48 hour period prior to the cease and desist letters being disseminated.

October 4, 2019--Parents of Collin Wiant come out in praise of step by university. ďFor them to shut it down is the right step until they can look every parent in the eye and tell them your student is safe being a part of our Greek system,Ē said Collinís mother, Kathleen Wiant.

October 9, 2019--Ohio University suspends three sororities (Delta Zeta, Phi Beta Phi, and Chi Omega) following further hazing allegations.

October 19, 2019--The university announces additional suspensions after receiving more hazing allegations. University says that it has allegations of hazing reported from nine traditional fraternities, two business fraternities, three sororities, rugby team, and marching band.

October 19, 2019--Jack Schoenig, 19 year-old student at Penn State, dies outside a house belonging to fraternity Chi Phi. University suspends fraternity and begins investigation.

October 24, 2019--Antonio Tsialas, Cornell University freshman, is found dead in a gorge. University representatives place initial blame at fraternity party held off-campus.

October 25, 2019--Three weeks later, OHIO University lifts cease and desist order for all but three fraternities, one sorority, the rugby team and the marching band. Nine other organizations within the Greek community have some restrictions tied to their reinstitution. A total of five groups originally suspended (Phi Gamma Delta, Phi Delta Theta, Pi Kappa Alpha, Phi Kappa Tau, and Delta Tau Delta) are reinstated without any restrictions.

October 26, 2019--Reports of original allegations are made public. These include serious allegations of: seclusion to dark area with little food and water, forced alcohol consumption, forced nudity, broken bones due to violence, forced drug use). Others appear far more benign, such as requiring early wake-ups to find out weather, forced cleaning operations, and forcing men to take off their shirts.

November 7, 2019--San Diego State University freshman Dylan Hernandez is hospitalized due to events from a Phi Gamma Delta event. He dies three days later, surrounded by family.

November 12, 2019 (yesterday)--19 year-old Washington State freshman Samuel Martinez dies from alcohol-related death inside home of Alpha Tau Omega fraternity.

If this is the agreed upon timeline, then the following facts are also true.
--The suspension time for many of the fraternities was no more than 21 days. Sororities saw suspensions closer to just over two weeks.
--Allegations reported involved many cases of forced drug and alcohol usage, many by underage students.
--This came only six months after the permanent suspension of an OHIO University fraternity related to forced drug and alcohol usage that led to the death of a freshman pledge.
--Over the past month, American universities have seen the deaths of at least four freshmen who were in some ways involved in fraternity activities prior to their death (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/11/12/... /)

Those are the facts. It's the spin that comes from those facts that we are debating. As an OHIO University graduate and hopefully an OHIO University parent in the future, I am grateful that the actions were taken before another tragedy at OUr university. To receive seven allegations in such a short window of time (48 hours) would have me thinking of a drastic measure while I got my mind around everything. Those 21 days of suspension may prove to be a life-saver for fraternities as well as pledges. A seemingly stiff sentence was doled out (though really, it wasn't that severe in the long-run) and now fraternities are likely evaluating all of their current practices.

I am not a Greek Life hater nor did I find joy in the suspension. I am grateful for the action because I hope that this allows the IFC to think about what it is doing and hopefully make decisions that are keeping students safe from here on out.








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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 11/13/2019 11:58:31 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Just for the record, I now know the awful behavior my fraternity was suspended for. Better sit down for this one! They made pledges clean activesí rooms. Oh the utter horror of it all. This is why the university has such a black eye over this whole fiasco with many alumni. They knew from the beginning that this was the sole charge against my frat, but they lumped them in with groups for which they had charges of forced drinking and other reckless behavior. In fact, my frat was one of the first three the suspended, before they got even more bizarre and suspended them all. This whole ordeal was handled very poorly and heads should roll. Iíd start with empty suit Nellis.


The Venn Diagram of people on this board who think heads should roll for this and people who have made their dislike of Nellis clear prior to this is a perfect circle.

Can you point to any negative publicity about this? It seems like there were reports of the hazing/suspensions that were picked up nothing beyond that. I don't doubt that there are people that think the University has a black eye from this. But again, a Venn diagram of people who were upset about this before the details were known and people who are upset about this now -- at least here -- is basically a perfect circle. So all sort of feels a bit self-fulfilling, no?



All our friends in Columbus, Cleveland and beyond have asked us ever since that happened, including our Homecoming quests who live in Huntington, "What the hell is going on at OU"? They came away with the sense that everything was going to hell in a hand-basket and that the hazing must all be so bad and so pervasive that practically every member of all Greek groups must be in peril for their lives. And, the same for the 110 and the rugby team. Though no one was really surprised about the rugby team! ;-) Now many of these friends had an inkling that that media-painted picture might actually be exaggerated, but that was their takeaway from the news reporting they had been exposed to. We had to personally reassure them that the university had over-reacted and the situation was not as bad as they had imagined them. And, of course, the ultimate responsibility for the incorrect picture the media was reporting rests with the absurd actions of the university officials charged with the responsibility of monitoring this type of behavior. A more targeted and focused reaction would have both been fairer to the groups involved and would also have put the problem in perspective for those who were reporting on it.

Last Edited: 11/14/2019 12:08:30 AM by OhioCatFan


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