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I think a student with a 19 and a 3.95 would be a rare thing and a clear example of grade inflation at that particular school. Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 10:49:22 AM  Robert Fox wrote: I don't think that's necessarily true, unless the ACT is indisputably a better measure of academic capability than a GPA. Quite a few colleges and universities don't use the ACT as an admission requirement, so I don't think it's universally accepted. Actually, test scores have always been the most reliable indicator of a student's ability to do college level work. And in today's world of grade inflation, everybody gets a prize culture and affluent parents who literally show up to teacher-parent meetings with lawyers, GPA has become almost useless without any context (test scores, class rank and an admissions department familiar with the HS and its rigor and standards). Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 10:55:59 AM  So, Nellis has apparently said that he's not looking to improve admissions standards. I think it's safe to say that the model going forward then will be to increase enrollment at the expense of the university's selectivity and thus rankings and reputation. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/07/17/new-... Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 11:53:49 AM  OUPride wrote: Actually, test scores have always been the most reliable indicator of a student's ability to do college level work. It appears that is debatable. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 11:57:50 AM  Alan Swank wrote: Robert Fox wrote: http://college.usatoday.com/2014/02/26/new-study-says-hig... / http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/nail-biting-standardi... / Good supporting articles but I'll go back to the example that you gave. I think a student with a 19 and a 3.95 would be a rare thing and a clear example of grade inflation at that particular school. That may be true, and the example was fictional -- I made it up. But my point remains what do you do with a 22 ACT, for example? Should OU rule them out? Their success is entirely predictable based upon the test structure designed by ACT? Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 12:09:42 PM  Robert Fox wrote: OUPride wrote: Actually, test scores have always been the most reliable indicator of a student's ability to do college level work. It appears that is debatable. Regardless of whether we agree that they're the best indicator, they do tend to go hand-in-hand with other factors such as class rank and gpa. At any given high school, the top gpa holders are almost always going to have the top SAT/ACT scores, and the same correlation will hold between class rank and test scores. Yes, some bright kids are just lousy test takers and get SAT scores that may not match their gpa and class rank. Those types of students, however, are the statistical aberration rather than the rule. So if Ohio's average ACT score is falling further and further behind OSU (29.6) and Miami (28) and being passed by UC, one can pretty confidently assume that similar trends are at play with the gpa and class rank for Ohio's incoming freshmen. At the end of the day, it comes down to how you want Ohio to be seen. As a peer and competitor to OSU and Miami or as a peer and competitor to Toledo and Kent? And those perceptions will have ramifications beyond merely which high school students choose to attend Ohio. It will also affect fundraising and faculty recruitment (and thus research funding) also. Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 12:16:15 PM  Robert Fox wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Robert Fox wrote: http://college.usatoday.com/2014/02/26/new-study-says-hig... / http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/nail-biting-standardi... / Good supporting articles but I'll go back to the example that you gave. I think a student with a 19 and a 3.95 would be a rare thing and a clear example of grade inflation at that particular school. That may be true, and the example was fictional -- I made it up. But my point remains what do you do with a 22 ACT, for example? Should OU rule them out? Their success is entirely predictable based upon the test structure designed by ACT? That kid doesn't have much worry about getting into Ohio. 47% of Ohio's freshman class scored 23 or below. The kid with the 19 needs to worry barring a very, very strong and compelling application in everything else. I guess my question is at what point does Ohio draw the line? Do you want to go back to open admissions? https://www.ohio.edu/instres/CDS/commondataset2016.pdf The problem is that you can't attract a lot of 30+ ACT kids to a school that's letting in a lot of 22 ACT kids. Which would you rather be? Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 2:02:40 PM  OUPride wrote: Regardless of whether we agree that they're the best indicator, they do tend to go hand-in-hand with other factors such as class rank and gpa. At any given high school, the top gpa holders are almost always going to have the top SAT/ACT scores, and the same correlation will hold between class rank and test scores. Yes, some bright kids are just lousy test takers and get SAT scores that may not match their gpa and class rank. Those types of students, however, are the statistical aberration rather than the rule. If this is true, and perhaps it is, would it then diminish the accusation that high GPA's and low ACT's are a product of grade inflation? If GPA and high test scores usually go hand-in-hand, then a high GPA and low test score should be classified as a "poor test taker" as opposed to "grade inflation." OUPride wrote: At the end of the day, it comes down to how you want Ohio to be seen. As a peer and competitor to OSU and Miami or as a peer and competitor to Toledo and Kent? And those perceptions will have ramifications beyond merely which high school students choose to attend Ohio. It will also affect fundraising and faculty recruitment (and thus research funding) also. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think of OSU and Miami in the same category. I think of Miami as snobbery. Their students actually believe they are superior to others. I think of OSU as big enough for all types: highly gifted to run-of-the mill students. In terms of my preference for Ohio University, I choose my perception of the OSU model. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 2:04:05 PM  OUPride wrote: The problem is that you can't attract a lot of 30+ ACT kids to a school that's letting in a lot of 22 ACT kids. Why? Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 3:31:58 PM  Robert Fox wrote: OUPride wrote: The problem is that you can't attract a lot of 30+ ACT kids to a school that's letting in a lot of 22 ACT kids. Why? I got a 30 on the ACT. My best friend at OU got a 33. I had another friend who got a 34. None of us ever considered OU's average ACT scores when we made our decision to attend. I DO think that OU should focus on raising their overall academic profile, including test scores. BUT, I don't think that we should do that at the expense of supporting students from the lower economic rungs. For example, a kid with a 4.0 and a 22 on the ACT from Meigs County is a stronger candidate in my eyes than a kid with a 3.7 and a 30 on the ACT from Dublin Coffman. The kids in Dublin have many more resources to help them get that high score than the kids in Meigs County. I grew up poor and had one shot at taking the ACT because that's all I could afford. I also couldn't afford any fancy prep classes or software. Luckily, I got a pretty good score on my first try because I'm a good test taker. But my friend from the Cleveland burbs who got a 34 took multiple prep classes and took the test three times to get there. Just my perspective. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 3:55:39 PM  Robert Fox wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Robert Fox wrote: So the higher the ACT the better. Is that right? Yes but a 24.1 is nothing to get too excited about. It would put you in the 74th percentile. So should OU not accept a 24? What if the student has a 24 ACT and a 3.8 GPA? Heck, what if the student has a 19 ACT and a 3.95 GPA? With grade inflation today, what's a GPA? I know a school where a 3.85 is a C, and several schools with a 5.0 and even 6.0 scales and when you convert them over to a 4.0 an A is actually a 4.65 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/2/2017 3:58:46 PM  Robert Fox wrote: OUPride wrote: Regardless of whether we agree that they're the best indicator, they do tend to go hand-in-hand with other factors such as class rank and gpa. At any given high school, the top gpa holders are almost always going to have the top SAT/ACT scores, and the same correlation will hold between class rank and test scores. Yes, some bright kids are just lousy test takers and get SAT scores that may not match their gpa and class rank. Those types of students, however, are the statistical aberration rather than the rule. If this is true, and perhaps it is, would it then diminish the accusation that high GPA's and low ACT's are a product of grade inflation? If GPA and high test scores usually go hand-in-hand, then a high GPA and low test score should be classified as a "poor test taker" as opposed to "grade inflation." OUPride wrote: At the end of the day, it comes down to how you want Ohio to be seen. As a peer and competitor to OSU and Miami or as a peer and competitor to Toledo and Kent? And those perceptions will have ramifications beyond merely which high school students choose to attend Ohio. It will also affect fundraising and faculty recruitment (and thus research funding) also. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think of OSU and Miami in the same category. I think of Miami as snobbery. Their students actually believe they are superior to others. I think of OSU as big enough for all types: highly gifted to run-of-the mill students. In terms of my preference for Ohio University, I choose my perception of the OSU model. Try being run of the mill and getting accepted to OSU on the main campus. Not happening unless you are a serious athlete or connections. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 6:56:02 AM  As I've posted before,I chair a committee at FDU that is charged with working with the university's faculty/administration,to improve their engineering curriculum and maintain their engineering accreditation. I also lecture Civil Engineering and Land Surveying classes. What we've seen is that,in most cases,a student's GPA doesn't give any indication of their ability to do college level work,at least in math and science. Even AP classes aren't a good barometer,unless they take the AP Test. Out here most students take the SAT. Those scores are a better indicator,but far from perfect. Its so bad that a number of schools are now requiring engineering students to take an entry exam to see if they need remedial classes. One of my friend's sons graduated with a high GPA from a top high school and did well in his SAT. Based on his entry exam he still needed a year of remedial math. As I've also posted before,grade inflation is so bad in college we can no longer use grades to evaluate an engineering curriculum to keep its accreditation. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 9:02:24 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: With grade inflation today, what's a GPA? I know a school where a 3.85 is a C, and several schools with a 5.0 and even 6.0 scales and when you convert them over to a 4.0 an A is actually a 4.65 Yep. I gave up on using HS GPA as a barometer once weighted GPAs became a thing. Just yesterday I was discussing with my wife a related problem they are having in her grad program: a student who probably never should have been admitted, despite a fantastic GPA. The student just did not have the social skills needed in the field. It makes me wonder if over the next generation schools will start looking at applicants' social media presence as a good thing rather than an incriminating one. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 10:55:29 AM  rpbobcat wrote: As I've posted before,I chair a committee at FDU that is charged with working with the university's faculty/administration,to improve their engineering curriculum and maintain their engineering accreditation. I also lecture Civil Engineering and Land Surveying classes. What we've seen is that,in most cases,a student's GPA doesn't give any indication of their ability to do college level work,at least in math and science. Even AP classes aren't a good barometer,unless they take the AP Test. Out here most students take the SAT. Those scores are a better indicator,but far from perfect. Its so bad that a number of schools are now requiring engineering students to take an entry exam to see if they need remedial classes. One of my friend's sons graduated with a high GPA from a top high school and did well in his SAT. Based on his entry exam he still needed a year of remedial math. As I've also posted before,grade inflation is so bad in college we can no longer use grades to evaluate an engineering curriculum to keep its accreditation. It's amazing and scary that we agree on something ;-) Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 10:56:58 AM  C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: With grade inflation today, what's a GPA? I know a school where a 3.85 is a C, and several schools with a 5.0 and even 6.0 scales and when you convert them over to a 4.0 an A is actually a 4.65 Yep. I gave up on using HS GPA as a barometer once weighted GPAs became a thing. Just yesterday I was discussing with my wife a related problem they are having in her grad program: a student who probably never should have been admitted, despite a fantastic GPA. The student just did not have the social skills needed in the field. It makes me wonder if over the next generation schools will start looking at applicants' social media presence as a good thing rather than an incriminating one. In the recruiting process a couple of years ago we did the Ivy League tour and I was amazed at every institution we sat through admissions talks, the theme was consistent. The hardest thing about getting a degree from ______ is getting into school. Once you are here, we will make sure you graduate. Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 11:05:16 AM  Robert Fox wrote: OUPride wrote: Regardless of whether we agree that they're the best indicator, they do tend to go hand-in-hand with other factors such as class rank and gpa. At any given high school, the top gpa holders are almost always going to have the top SAT/ACT scores, and the same correlation will hold between class rank and test scores. Yes, some bright kids are just lousy test takers and get SAT scores that may not match their gpa and class rank. Those types of students, however, are the statistical aberration rather than the rule. If this is true, and perhaps it is, would it then diminish the accusation that high GPA's and low ACT's are a product of grade inflation? If GPA and high test scores usually go hand-in-hand, then a high GPA and low test score should be classified as a "poor test taker" as opposed to "grade inflation." OUPride wrote: At the end of the day, it comes down to how you want Ohio to be seen. As a peer and competitor to OSU and Miami or as a peer and competitor to Toledo and Kent? And those perceptions will have ramifications beyond merely which high school students choose to attend Ohio. It will also affect fundraising and faculty recruitment (and thus research funding) also. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think of OSU and Miami in the same category. I think of Miami as snobbery. Their students actually believe they are superior to others. I think of OSU as big enough for all types: highly gifted to run-of-the mill students. In terms of my preference for Ohio University, I choose my perception of the OSU model. What I was suggesting is that OSU and Miami are head and shoulders above the rest of the system in terms of admissions selectivity and freshmen class profiles. There's probably room for one more, if not at the top with OSU, then at least grouped in people's minds with OSU and Miami. Right now, it's unclear whether that's going to be Ohio or Cincinnati. Schools that are thriving have ratcheted up their admissions standards, and it's not just OSU. In the late 80s, you were still guaranteed a spot at Wisconsin-Madison if you graduated in the top half of a Wisconsin high school. I didn't mean to suggest that OSU and Miami are the same culturally. They're not. Most of the OSU alumni that I've met are pretty rational about the school (t-shirt fans are a different story). And you're right about Miami's comical level of snobbery about their school, which is delusional. You'd think they'd have a little bit of perspective considering that their whole (outdated) "public ivy" glory was possible ONLY because Ohio and OSU were forced to compete with one arm tied behind their backs as open admissions campuses. As for the run of the mill students issue. I think that used to be the case for OSU when they were open admissions. Their science and engineering programs, AAU status and Big Ten allure still led them to get a good percentage of 30+ ACT students along with the open admission kids. I think that was a pretty unique situation, and one that Ohio probably can't follow I also don't know how welcome those run of the mill kids were to the administration and faculty.. Ohio State also had a reputation of being utterly brutal about weeding out kids their first year. Think how many people you meet in Ohio of a certain age who "went to OSU for a year or two." I know an older OSU alum who said at his freshman orientation in the early 70s, they told everyone to look at the person to your left and to your right and then said that one of you three won't be back next year. Last Edited: 8/3/2017 11:26:20 AM by OUPride Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 11:10:44 AM  Anyone know the current standards for admission to OHIO's Honors Tutorial program? How many students are admitted yearly? That used to be a very highly respected program that attracted very well qualified candidates with high ACT scores. Haven't followed it for years. I do remember years ago I hired a student employee in my office who was in the Honors Tutorial program and he was the sharpest student I ever hired. He continued to do work for my office remotely after he graduated. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 11:13:59 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: With grade inflation today, what's a GPA? I know a school where a 3.85 is a C, and several schools with a 5.0 and even 6.0 scales and when you convert them over to a 4.0 an A is actually a 4.65 Yep. I gave up on using HS GPA as a barometer once weighted GPAs became a thing. Just yesterday I was discussing with my wife a related problem they are having in her grad program: a student who probably never should have been admitted, despite a fantastic GPA. The student just did not have the social skills needed in the field. It makes me wonder if over the next generation schools will start looking at applicants' social media presence as a good thing rather than an incriminating one. In the recruiting process a couple of years ago we did the Ivy League tour and I was amazed at every institution we sat through admissions talks, the theme was consistent. The hardest thing about getting a degree from ______ is getting into school. Once you are here, we will make sure you graduate. I know they changed it, but Harvard used to graduate something like 85% of their students with Latin Honors. Stanford is ridiculous in this regard, the worst. The first time I ever heard the term "snowflake" years ago it was in reference to how badly Stanford students are coddled--"each one a special, unique snowflake like the world has never seen before." They may have changed it, but it was literally impossible to flunk a class at Stanford. Chicago has always been the lone, brave exception to this though I wonder how that may have changed as they have to compete with H-Y-P and Stanford for a lot of the same students. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 11:28:08 AM  OUPride wrote: What I was suggesting is that OSU and Miami are head and shoulders above the rest of the system in terms of admissions selectivity and freshmen class profiles. There's probably room for one more, if not at the top with OSU, then at least grouped in people's minds with OSU and Miami. Right now, it's unclear whether that's going to be Ohio or Cincinnati. I didn't mean to suggest that OSU and Miami are the same culturally. They're not. Most of the OSU alumni that I've met are pretty rational about the school (t-shirt fans are a different story). And you're right about Miami's comical level of snobbery about their school, which is delusional. You'd think they'd have a little bit of perspective considering that their whole (outdated) "public ivy" glory was possible ONLY because Ohio and OSU were forced to compete with one arm tied behind their backs as open admissions campuses. As for the run of the mill students issue. I think that used to be the case for OSU when they were open admissions. Their science and engineering programs, AAU status and Big Ten allure still led them to get a good percentage of 30+ ACT students along with the open admission kids. I think that was a pretty unique situation, and one that Ohio probably can't follow I also don't know how welcome those run of the mill kids were to the administration and faculty.. Ohio State also had a reputation of being utterly brutal about weeding out kids their first year. Think how many people you meet in Ohio of a certain age who "went to OSU for a year or two." I know an older OSU alum who said at his freshman orientation in the early 70s, they told everyone to look at the person to your left and to your right and then said that one of you three won't be back next year. What I was suggesting is that OSU and Miami are head and shoulders above the rest of the system in terms of admissions selectivity and freshmen class profiles. There's probably room for one more, if not at the top with OSU, then at least grouped in people's minds with OSU and Miami. Right now, it's unclear whether that's going to be Ohio or Cincinnati. Schools that are thriving have ratcheted up their admissions standards, and it's not just OSU. In the late 80s, you were still guaranteed a spot at Wisconsin-Madison if you graduated in the top half of a Wisconsin high school. Thanks. To be sure, I have not kept up with the changes in admission policies at OSU. I'm going only off of my own perception, which is clearly out of date here. I appreciate the points you make here. I remain leery of the ACT as a sole predictor of college success, but I can appreciate its use as a single tool in the admissions decision. Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 11:49:47 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Anyone know the current standards for admission to OHIO's Honors Tutorial program? How many students are admitted yearly? That used to be a very highly respected program that attracted very well qualified candidates with high ACT scores. Haven't followed it for years. I do remember years ago I hired a student employee in my office who was in the Honors Tutorial program and he was the sharpest student I ever hired. He continued to do work for my office remotely after he graduated. Here is what's stated on the website. Quote: ...ideal HTC applicants should have minimum standardized test scores of about a 30 on the ACT and/or 1300 on the SAT and should be in the top 10 percent of their high school graduating class. I looked at Miami and OSU's website, but both are pretty vague about any hard criteria. OSU now has 49% of their freshman class with 30+ ACT (63% top 10% of HS class) though, so I doubt half the incoming freshmen are pre-enrolled into the honors program. Ohio should really promote the Oxbridge based tutorial model of the program to differentiate itself from similar programs at OSU/Miami. I also remember that it's always been a relatively small program. I'd like to know more as to whether that's a function of choice, of available resources and funding and/or of the overall applicant pool from which to choose. Last year, we had 7% at 30+ACT and 15% in top 10% of HS class. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 11:52:40 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: rpbobcat wrote: As I've posted before,I chair a committee at FDU that is charged with working with the university's faculty/administration,to improve their engineering curriculum and maintain their engineering accreditation. I also lecture Civil Engineering and Land Surveying classes. What we've seen is that,in most cases,a student's GPA doesn't give any indication of their ability to do college level work,at least in math and science. Even AP classes aren't a good barometer,unless they take the AP Test. Out here most students take the SAT. Those scores are a better indicator,but far from perfect. Its so bad that a number of schools are now requiring engineering students to take an entry exam to see if they need remedial classes. One of my friend's sons graduated with a high GPA from a top high school and did well in his SAT. Based on his entry exam he still needed a year of remedial math. As I've also posted before,grade inflation is so bad in college we can no longer use grades to evaluate an engineering curriculum to keep its accreditation. It's amazing and scary that we agree on something ;-) Hey,we also agreed on the issue of steroids and CTE. :-) Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 12:21:58 PM  A lot of interesting stuff happening. A new President. The formation of the University System of Ohio. Miami largely turning their back on Ohio residents. The rise of OSU to arguably a top 10 public. Cincinnati's desire to become more than a medical school attached to a community college. The demographic challenges ahead. And all of this will present fundamental challenges and opportunities for Ohio's future and reputation. Too bad we couldn't just win a MACC and solve everything! Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 12:22:11 PM  OUPride wrote: Ohio should really promote the Oxbridge based tutorial model of the program to differentiate itself from similar programs at OSU/Miami. I also remember that it's always been a relatively small program. I'd like to know more as to whether that's a function of choice, of available resources and funding and/or of the overall applicant pool from which to choose. Last year, we had 7% at 30+ACT and 15% in top 10% of HS class. I had this very discussion with former HTC Asst. Dean Jan Hodson. The consultants were saying abandon it because no one else does it. I said absolutely not, precisely because no one else does it. My understanding is that the size limitation is primarily a function of resources--specifically, merit based scholarships. Former Dean Fidler had an open offer that anyone who would donate enough to give every HTC student a full ride academic scholarship would have the college named after them. I've had a portion of my future Powerball winnings earmarked ever since. Last Edited: 8/3/2017 12:23:01 PM by C Money Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 562 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis planning public input forums    Posted: 8/3/2017 12:30:34 PM  C Money wrote: OUPride wrote: Ohio should really promote the Oxbridge based tutorial model of the program to differentiate itself from similar programs at OSU/Miami. I also remember that it's always been a relatively small program. I'd like to know more as to whether that's a function of choice, of available resources and funding and/or of the overall applicant pool from which to choose. Last year, we had 7% at 30+ACT and 15% in top 10% of HS class. I had this very discussion with former HTC Asst. Dean Jan Hodson. The consultants were saying abandon it because no one else does it. I said absolutely not, precisely because no one else does it. My understanding is that the size limitation is primarily a function of resources--specifically, merit based scholarships. Former Dean Fidler had an open offer that anyone who would donate enough to give every HTC student a full ride academic scholarship would have the college named after them. I've had a portion of my future Powerball winnings earmarked ever since. Let's see. Say you limit the program to 500 students. That means you're admitting 125 every year at in-state cost of attendance ($27K) times 4 years is 125 $108K scholarships given out annually ($13.5M). Assuming a 4.5% annual disbursement from an endowed fund, that works out to right around a $300M donation. Higher if you want to have some out of state students included. Back to Top Showing Replies:   26 - 50  of 203 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9    Next > View Other 'General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 205 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 199 Guests 6 Registered Users:   Morris Mound, chauncey1, FJC31, GraffZ06, Cats5, FormerMember There are no other users looking at this page.

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