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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 11:12:52 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Yes, OCF, we all know. You never start a political discussion but you always defend your side of the story. . . yada, yada, yada. . .let's make sure you point that out once again.

Since you benefit by the relative tolerance for snarky left-wing comments, I understand why you don't like me pointing out the hammer usually falls after the snarky lefty comments are challenged. And, that's not always by me, BTW.

Last Edited: 4/20/2017 11:19:10 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 11:29:33 AM

Everybody needs to bow to the throne and make way for the oligarchs. We all need to coalesce around President Putin, the uneducated have figured it out, now the educated must follow. Just when you thought that the Alabama Governor and Newt Gingrich had birth control faces, they found a way to get around, what's worse is they got their birth control from planned parenthood.

Last Edited: 4/20/2017 11:33:57 AM by allen

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 11:31:51 AM

allen wrote:

Everybody needs to bow to the throne and make way for the oligarchs. We all need to coalesce around President Putin, the uneducated have figured it out, now the educated must follow.

Given that this thread is headed toward "Siberia", that's actually appropriate.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 11:47:22 AM

Lest anyone think that the O'Reilly firing had some altruistic motive,
I just heard on WOR news that,apparently, FOX got rid of him to help with their purchase of "Sky".
They said that the purchase is subject to a "fit and proper test".
There were concerns that the O'Reilly situation could jeopardize satisfying the provisions of that "test".

Last Edited: 4/20/2017 11:48:28 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 11:54:55 AM

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Bill O'Reilly is a good man. Sometimes good people beat their spouses, harass multiple women and say racist things. Some people in their 60's lie to poorly educated demographics for profit. Fox fired a good, good man, a fair and balanced man.

Last Edited: 4/20/2017 12:19:09 PM by allen

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 12:13:49 PM

allen wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Last Edited: 4/20/2017 12:14:42 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 12:22:23 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

allen wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

I never said anything about the man.

I don't know anything about him,or the validity of the accusations against him.

All I said was,his firing had nothing to do with altruism,only money.

As Joe Pecsi said in Casino "always the dollars".

I think that some of it was altruism, the storm would have blew over and they could have found new advertisers. He had the number 1 show. Fox could have weathered the storm, but Fox realizes that the younger demographic will leave them if they don't change their culture. The old guys bow to the throne, the young people, not so much.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 12:49:09 PM

allen wrote:

I think that some of it was altruism, the storm would have blew over and they could have found new advertisers. He had the number 1 show. Fox could have weathered the storm, but Fox realizes that the younger demographic will leave them if they don't change their culture. The old guys bow to the throne, the young people, not so much.

From what they said on the news broadcast I heard,the loss of advertisers wasn't the issue,it was the possibility of the "Sky" purchase falling through that forced their hand.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/20/2017 8:36:02 PM

don't kid yourself...just bow to a different throne.... lemmings always follow someone... and every generation is largely lemmings.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 12:07:02 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

don't kid yourself...just bow to a different throne.... lemmings always follow someone... and every generation is largely lemmings.

+1

BTW, I met O'Reilly briefly once. We were on an Icelandair flight to Reykjav�k. I was sitting next to a college chum of Bill's. Every year apparently he and his college buddies all get together and go on a trip to some interesting destination. This year it was to Iceland. At one point in the flight, Bill comes back to steerage from his "Saga Class" (1st class) berth to talk to his friend. I had the aisle seat so Bill had to talk over me to converse with his buddy. After he finished talking, I held out my hand and introduced myself and indicated that I watched his show regularly and liked it. He shook my hand and said hello, nice to meet you in a kind of condescending manner, as though mingling with the lower classes was something he could manage for only brief periods of time. My wife had the same impression of him that I did. He seemed smug and arrogant. Even after this I still liked his show and thought he often brought a different and needed perspective to some of the stories of the day.

Last Edited: 4/21/2017 12:07:38 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 6:14:56 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

He seemed smug and arrogant.

Comedy Central's Trevor Noah's take on O'Reilly and recent developments seems to agree.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-show-bill-oreil...

Last Edited: 4/21/2017 6:16:02 AM by bobcatsquared

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 9:10:11 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

don't kid yourself...just bow to a different throne.... lemmings always follow someone... and every generation is largely lemmings.

He sounds like an elitist, which is who their platform serves. They do a good job of rallying the so called johnny lunchbuckets, who have a problem with people that don't look like them to vote against their interest.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 9:20:48 AM

[QUOTE=bornacatfan] don't kid yourself...just bow to a different throne.... lemmings always follow someone... and every generation is largely lemmings. [/QUOTE
Whenever people do detestable thing like bowing to the throne, they want to bring others into that same equation. It is like me telling a smoker that skoking is bad for his or her health and them responding we are all going to die someway, or saying at least they don't eat high fructose corn syrup. I am not a millenial, but I have worked with a lot of them in the military and in the private sector. They are cut from a different cloth, they don't watch a lot of cable, they are weary of almost anybody in leadership. They do have some cult hero's, but they do not praise people that steal their money and use if for affairs, they don't allow people to scare them into hating people that don't look like them. On the contrary, they do believe in a lot of conspiracy theories and they are not as loyal as boomers.

Last Edited: 4/21/2017 12:10:28 PM by allen

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 9:25:37 AM

allen wrote:

Lunch bucket elitists, now that's a new concept. You don't see that you are engaging in an elitism of your own with your comments here? And, who are you to decide what's in the best interest of another person. You have to co-orient with their value system, at least as an academic exercise, in order to make statements about their interests that have any meaning at all.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 9:38:16 AM

And, allen, please stop the overly broad racist allegations. I know a lot of hillbillies that have no problem voting for an African American who shares their value system. Go back, for instance, and look at how Ken Blackwell carried the vast majority of SEO counties when he ran for statewide office. Or, look at Michael Steele's senate race in Maryland. He won every county in the state, except the two most populist counties near the D.C. beltway. He won all the mountain counties in the western panhandle filled with good old boys and girls who didn't look like him.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 9:40:27 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

allen wrote:

The lunchbuckets are not elitists lol, they are the uneducated. They usually have high schol diploma's and work in manufacturing, they make more money than teachers because of unions, but vote for conservatives because they touch their innerfeller dweller. The elitists fool the johnny lunchbuckets, joe the plumbers and rural folks. For example Andrew Puzder, he hired illegal immigrants and did not pay taxes, yet he says he is for the lunch buckets. Puzder doesn't want to hunt deers or watch duck dynasty or bonanaza, he wants to get richer. He wants to pass his tax burdens to some not so smart guy willing to take his burden. He wants to break that union that represents jonny lunch bucket so he can reduce wages and reduce his overhead. Puzder was picked to be the next labor secretary.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 11:31:18 AM

allen wrote:

The lunchbuckets are not elitists lol, they are the uneducated. They usually have high schol diploma's and work in manufacturing,

I'm sorry,but referring to someone as "uneducated" because they don't have a college degree and work in manufacturing sounds kind of "elitist".

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 12:07:31 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

allen wrote:

The lunchbuckets are not elitists lol, they are the uneducated. They usually have high schol diploma's and work in manufacturing,

I'm sorry,but referring to someone as "uneducated" because they don't have a college degree and work in manufacturing sounds kind of "elitist".

you're right, let's say not as educated.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 12:26:30 PM

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How did Blackwell do in the governor's race? Blackwell and Steele are ploys. It is like when Newt Gingrich was running for president and he said something really racist, the gop came up with a strategy to put an african-american forward like Larry Elder to defend him. I am a vet with a master's degree, if I were stopped and kiled by the columbus pd, Sheriff Clarke would be there to defend the killing, because even though he knows it would be wrong, he wouldn't want to lose his political capital. I say that to say that Blackwell, Steele and Clarke are far from real, they are for sale and Blackwell found out that there was limit to his ploy when he got crushed in his attempt to be the governor. Now if you would have said Clayton Bigsby, I would agree that he is an anomaly, he has a lot of influence illustrated by the millions of books that they sold. I know Blackwell's daughter, she dated a friend of mine, who was a staffer for Ted Strickland and Marcia Fudge, he graduated from Ohio and went to Ohio State for law school, I believe she was his classmate.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 3:44:14 PM

Allen:
Would you put Condoleezza Rice and Dr.Ben Carson in the same category as the people you said were "for sale" in your post ?

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 3:51:20 PM

Dr. Carson yes, the GOP even had to tell him to leave the campaign, he sold a lot of books on the campaign trail and claimed that our former President Obama was not really black, lol. I further support my view with the fact that he also was caught backing fraudulent medical products. Dr Condoleeza Rice, I believe is real, we may not agree politically, but she did not do ar say anything that would indicate that she was for sale.

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 6:35:22 PM

I don't have time right now. I've had a very busy day, but I will be back later to defend Dr. Carson, Mike Steele and Ken Blackwell from your outrageous slander, allen. Though the first two I have only indirect knowledge of, I have had personal dealings with Mr. Blackwell. I take personal offense to what you said about him and the others. Your remarks actually say more about you than about these fine men who have accomplished great things in their lives. And just watch what Dr. Carson does at HUD. You're going to see many long overdue changes. Later . . .

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/21/2017 8:29:11 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I have a lot of resprect for you. I expect a good rebuttal. I don't slander anyone.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/politics/ben-carson-mannate... /
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-puts-public-cam...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/us/politics/ben-carson...
Ohio State Senator Jeff Jacobson asked Blackwell in July 2003 to disqualify Diebold Election Systems' bid to supply voting machines for the state, after security problems were discovered in its software,[29] but was refused.[citation needed] Blackwell had ordered Diebold touch screen voting machines, reversing an earlier decision by the state to purchase only optical scan voting machines which, unlike the touch screen devices, would leave a "paper trail" for recount purposes.[citation needed]

On April 4, 2006, the Columbus Dispatch reported that Blackwell "owned stock [83 shares, down from 178 shares purchased in January 2005] in Diebold, a voting-machine [and ATM] manufacturer, at the same time his office negotiated a deal" with the company. After discovering the stock ownership, Blackwell promptly sold the shares at a loss.[30] He attributed the purchase to an unidentified financial manager at Credit Suisse First Boston who he said had, without his knowledge, violated his instructions to avoid potential conflict of interest.[31]
On April 16, 2006, the Toledo Blade reported that Blackwell had accepted more than $1 million in campaign contributions from "employees of firms seeking business with the statewide offices he's held over the past 12 years." Furthermore, the same organizations donated $1.34 million to the Ohio Republican Party, $1.29 million of which was forwarded directly to Blackwell's campaign fund. Several of the firms which have been awarded contracts from Blackwell's office have also been hired on to his gubernatorial campaign. The investigators argue that the suggestion of quid pro quo based on the actions of contributors raise an issue of a serious conflict of interest. Petro has responded by demanding that a law which bans political contributors from being awarded state contracts. Blackwell has stated that no illegal activity took place. In response to Petro's call for reform, Blackwell stated: "If you are asking me ... 'Am I advocating for campaign spending limits?' No. Never have. Never will."[48]
Here he writes an artcle for Breitbart. Andrew Breitbart makes a KKK look like Martin Luther King Jr. http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/01/05/blackwell-media... /
Steele
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/strip-club-scand...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/saving-steele-rnc-chairma...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rnc-chair-michael-steele-confe... /

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/22/2017 11:05:33 AM

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bobcatsquared wrote:

Let's add Bill O'Reilly to this long list. Preaches and writes books about living an old-school life of virtue and millions of ignorant followers eat it up. All the while, off camera, . . .

So those folks who liked O'Reilly's show and/or his books are a mass of ignorant yokels? And, do you know what O'Reilly actually did off-camera? The information that is in the public domain, at this point, is somewhat vague. Now, I'm not saying that when all the facts come out that O'Reilly might not end up looking like a hypocrite, but once again you seem to be jumping to premature conclusions and, on top of that, you are casting aspersions on his viewers and readers.

[Edited as a result of Jeff's sharp eye. Thanks, Jeff.]

Look, I'm totally with you on the Alabama Governor comment. It was -- at best -- tangentially related to this ORU thing, and did nothing but derail a conversation.

But I just can't understand how you could still be defending Bill O'Reilly at this point. I know your stance isn't exactly one of defense, and is more of a neutral "we'll see what happens," but I think that sort of neutrality is particularly damaging when it comes to accusations of sexual harassment. It is, in part, that willingness to give people the benefit of the doubt in the face of overwhelming evidence that makes victims of sexual assault hesitant to come forward.

This is a guy who has paid out 13 million dollars in settlements to five different women in exchange for their silence. Three additional women have come forward with accusations since then. The first lawsuit was brought by his executive producer, and included recorded phone calls.

Additionally, his teenage daughter testified during a custody case that she'd witnessed him choking her mother and dragging her down the stairs by her neck. Those are statements made on-the-record and under oath.

What's vague about that information?

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RE: TOS to Oral Roberts

Posted: 4/22/2017 3:14:19 PM

Getting the thread back towards where it started, one thing I see is something that is a rather common misunderstanding of Christianity. Some people think that Christians believe they are morally superior. I would argue that the reverse is true, that Christians recognize that they are morally imperfect, and that therefore they need a savior.

Is Bill O'Reilly really a Christian? I have no idea. Certainly his behavior doesn't make it appear so. There don't seem to be any signs of remorse, any recognition of his wrongs, nor any attempt to reform. I tend to think he is just scum, but that's not my business. I've never watched the man's show in any case.

Next, about ORU, and their "test", I think that everyone here hopes that every Ohio coach, in every sport, makes some effort at evaluating the character of potential recruits. No one wants to read about athletes in the crime blotter. I have my doubts whether the ORU test will be effective, but if it works for them, I have no problem, since ORU is a private religious institution.

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