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Topic:  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
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Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 6/29/2017 2:39:10 PM 
I agree with BS that automated systems to detect motorcycles/bicycles would be an improvement. I prefer that technology work similar to the relatively new side-mirror "blind-spot" indicators, which work pretty well. Not so sure about the automated braking, etc unless it's strictly a crash avoidance function.

I've been riding motorcycles/bicycles for MANY years and consider myself sensitive to them. Even then, they can be hard to see/notice occasionally.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 6/30/2017 1:33:38 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 6/30/2017 6:05:14 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 6/30/2017 9:03:49 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


If you do allow bicycles on sidewalks,I presume they have to go "with" traffic.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/2/2017 10:35:02 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/3/2017 12:02:11 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/3/2017 2:56:00 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.




Even safer on the purpose built bike path maybe 200 yards away that runs perfectly parallel to East State Street.

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/3/2017 5:01:59 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.




Even safer on the purpose built bike path maybe 200 yards away that runs perfectly parallel to East State Street.



Tell that to the two people pushing the bike lanes on East State Street, the mayor and an at large city council member. They've repeatedly claimed that they are hearing more support for the bike lanes than opposition to the lanes. We've tried everything imaginable including pointing out that the design is dangerous considering the new state law mandating that you leave a minimum of three feet of space when passing a bike. You can reach them at:

spatterson@ci.athens.oh.us

pkotses@athenscitycouncil.com

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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/3/2017 9:58:51 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.



Safer for who? The biker or the pedestrians?


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Got Saul . . . and dreams of basketball glory!

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/3/2017 11:05:55 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.



Safer for who? The biker or the pedestrians?


Both on East State since very few people walk on that street.
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/4/2017 11:26:38 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.



Safer for who? The biker or the pedestrians?


Both on East State since very few people walk on that street.


In many places on East State Street, especially on the far end, there are no sidewalks. But, I agree, the safest place for the bicyclists would be on the bike path. I'm totally against the bike lanes on East State, so we are in agreement here. The place I've seen a lot of issues with bicycles on the side walk is on Richland Avenue.


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   Posted: 7/5/2017 12:09:12 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As for bicycles,just follow the "rule of the road" and if they don't,ticket them.


And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



State law does not prohibit one from riding on the sidewalk.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/...


You are correct, Alan. This must have been changed since I last looked. The applicable language is "4511.711 Driving On a Sidewalk Bicycles are the only vehicles allowed on sidewalks: local authorities may prohibit but not require bicycle riding on sidewalks. (See also 4511.07 and 4511.431.)" I think this should be changed. I think bicycles on sidewalks can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure why the General Assembly put in this exception. It makes no sense to me.


Safer on the sidewalk than in the planned bike lanes on East State Street.




Even safer on the purpose built bike path maybe 200 yards away that runs perfectly parallel to East State Street.



Tell that to the two people pushing the bike lanes on East State Street, the mayor and an at large city council member. They've repeatedly claimed that they are hearing more support for the bike lanes than opposition to the lanes. We've tried everything imaginable including pointing out that the design is dangerous considering the new state law mandating that you leave a minimum of three feet of space when passing a bike. You can reach them at:

mailto:spatterson@ci.athens.oh.us

mailto:pkotses@athenscitycouncil.com



I love Athens, but since I don't live there I'm going to take this opportunity to avoid getting into an email argument with your bat-poop crazy mayor and nutjob city council member (both judgements based solely on their stands on this issue...but it feels like a safe guess). Also, since like attracts like (and crazy attracts crazy) I'm sure they do hear more support than opposition. Doesn't make them any less idiotic.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/5/2017 6:49:12 AM 
mf279801 wrote:


I love Athens, but since I don't live there I'm going to take this opportunity to avoid getting into an email argument with your bat-poop crazy mayor and nutjob city council member (both judgements based solely on their stands on this issue...but it feels like a safe guess). Also, since like attracts like (and crazy attracts crazy) I'm sure they do hear more support than opposition. Doesn't make them any less idiotic.


When it comes to subjects like this.political lunacy is not limited to Athens.

Several years ago Hackensack,N.J. was trying to help a dying Central Business District (CBD).
The consultants they hired determined that the problem was that the two way street that ran through their CBD was slowing traffic down, especially with parallel parking.
Their solution? Make the street and its parallel sister street 1 way and get rid of parallel parking.

They made the streets 1 way,but kept the parking.The CBD continues to die.
Now the same consultants say traffic is going through the CBD too fast and they need to slow it down by going back to 2 way streets and keeping parallel parking.

Over 4 million dollars for an experiment.

Gee,now if someone wants to park,the traffic in that direction stops dead.
Yea that will encourage people to use those streets.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/5/2017 8:28:45 AM 
Looking at the OU Master Plan, they are planning designated bike lanes on the sidewalks (away from the road) that go between West Green and East/South Green.

This is ideal IMO, keeps everyone safe.


I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 7/5/2017 9:42:15 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
Looking at the OU Master Plan, they are planning designated bike lanes on the sidewalks (away from the road) that go between West Green and East/South Green.

This is ideal IMO, keeps everyone safe.



Might work if the sidewalks are wide enough.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/5/2017 10:03:06 AM 
In several European nations, I've seen bike lanes of varying designs. To me the most impressive were in Copenhagen. A low curb separated vehicle lanes from bike lanes and another low curb bike lanes from pedestrian sidewalks.



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   Posted: 7/5/2017 3:11:26 PM 

As someone who chases after his own doing so right now, young children probably have something to do with allowing bikes on sidewalks.

APD once stopped my kids (and me) riding on the sidewalk. They gave the kids a free ice cream voucher for having helmets on. And off we went....

Generally I like what the city is doing with roads and bridges and rotaries (traffic circles) and etc. But bike lanes? That's not the tail wagging the dog, that's the tick on the tail wagging the dog....

(And I live on the East Side where I'm supposed to be all for this elitist euro stuff.... and no mega schools....)




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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/6/2017 2:35:44 PM 
Liberty which is billed as Uber/Lyft competitor now has drivers in Athens. I think they're smart to target areas that Uber/Lyft do not service. While the economics dont make sense for a lot of rural areas Athens is a bit of a unique scenario due to the population density and large percentage of people without cars at Ohio Univeristy. Even if you avoided the late night crowd (which could lucrative but a hassle), I bet you could do well shuffling dorm kids to east state.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/local/ride-sharing-now-in...


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   Posted: 7/10/2017 9:56:12 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:

And that means riding on the street and not the sidewalk. I've seen several near collisions with pedestrians on Richland Avenue. It's a state law, but in Athens it's only enforced uptown. Just wait until some elderly person with a walker is mowed down by a bicyclist and THEN they'll start enforcing the law. Why is it we always wait for a disaster to make necessary changes?



Laughable....if that were a state law ....and I am not sure it is.... they would not enforce it. THe ONLY thing that gets enforced is speeding. Next time you see an officer ask him to turn over his ticket book ...the only thing on the back of most is the fines for speeding.

Trailers without lights, drivers in the left lane impeding traffic, blacked out lenses on headlamps and tail lights, texters blatantly looking at their phones and texting....there is a myriad of laws on the books that police would and could enforce that would not only make the roads much safer but would line the coffers of their locality with cash. So when you say "THEN they'll start enforcing the law" I have to laugh as I see folks everyday that need to become acquainted with the law. I added cameras to the helmet and on the bike and have no qualms putting the idjuts up on FB and Twitter. Latest acquisition should be pretty useful.... added to the other 2 I have I should at least be able to document http://newatlas.com/sena-10c-review-action-camera-bluetoo... /




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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder shifts his fire onto parking services
   Posted: 7/11/2017 7:06:06 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:


Trailers without lights, drivers in the left lane impeding traffic, blacked out lenses on headlamps and tail lights, texters blatantly looking at their phones and texting....there is a myriad of laws on the books that police would and could enforce that would not only make the roads much safer but would line the coffers of their locality with cash. So when you say "THEN they'll start enforcing the law" I have to laugh as I see folks everyday that need to become acquainted with the law. I added cameras to the helmet and on the bike and have no qualms putting the idjuts up on FB and Twitter. Latest acquisition should be pretty useful.... added to the other 2 I have I should at least be able to document http://newatlas.com/sena-10c-review-action-camera-bluetoo... /



Around here the police enforce these offenses all the time.
Seems that a lot of people that use or distribute drugs don't maintain their vehicles.
Its amazing how many unrelated traffic stops lead to drug arrests.

The other thing the police out here use are license plate scanners.
Pretty much every police car has them.

They can read a plate driving in a parking lot or in traffic.
The scanner picks up the plates and any lets the police know of any violations,warrants etc.
It can even print out the ticket(s).

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   Posted: 7/11/2017 8:24:57 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Its amazing how many unrelated traffic stops lead to drug arrests.


Some say amazing. Others say strategic planning..... But I digress....





Last Edited: 7/11/2017 8:25:31 AM by Ohio69


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   Posted: 7/11/2017 9:40:04 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Its amazing how many unrelated traffic stops lead to drug arrests.


Some say amazing. Others say strategic planning..... But I digress....



I don't disagree that police can use a minor offense as justification to pull over a suspicious vehicle.
However,that does not negate the fact that the offense still exists.

The roads around here have,unfortunately,become a major conduit for transporting drugs and weapons.
Local hotel rooms are also being used regularly for distribution.

My feeling is that the police should do whatever is legal, to try to address the problem.




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   Posted: 7/13/2017 3:24:15 PM 
http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/s...

Audi A8 first car to reach level 3 autonomy.


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   Posted: 7/14/2017 12:00:32 AM 
Sounds good, but wil i stil be able to drive my 1950's VW beetle and 1970's VW bus in your regulated world?
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   Posted: 7/14/2017 6:50:17 AM 
Sean Gallagher wrote:
Sounds good, but wil i stil be able to drive my 1950's VW beetle and 1970's VW bus in your regulated world?


Not to stay too much off topic,but yesterday I saw a red,mint condition,1950's Beetle.
Beautiful !

I had forgotten just how close to the windshield your nose was.

In high school, and summers in college, I used to work as a mechanic at a gas station.
Can't tell you how many times we had to go help someone with a Beetle who went to change a flat and found the spare was "soft",because the spare's air powered the windshield washer.


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