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Topic: RE: Nice Benghazi

Topic: RE: Nice Benghazi

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rpbobcat
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/13/2016 11:09:48 AM

Pataskala wrote:

If the Republicans keep it up -- especially during an election year -- the public will soon see it as purely politically motivated. They should remember that pushing Bill's impeachment in 1998 cost them five house seats in that year's election and Gingrich his job.

I think the email issue is very different from President Clinton's impeachment.
At that time the broadcast media was able to control the narrative.They made it appear to be about infidelity,not perjury.

According to a news report I heard on my way to work this morning,57% of Americans believe Mrs.Clinton should have been indicted.

Most people also aren't buying the whole "chance meeting' explanation for Lynch/Clinton.

The most recent polls show that she and Trump are now virtually tied in the critical swing states.

The State Department also restarted their investigation into the email issue.
That can hurt her if "her people" loose the ability to get/keep security clearances.

There was also a story last week that the FBI is conducting a separate investigation into the Clinton Foundation's fundraising.

Mrs. Clinton already has big negatives when it comes to being trustworthy.
None of this won't help that.

Last Edited: 7/13/2016 11:57:32 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/13/2016 2:35:39 PM

Powell used a private server, Rice used a private server and Bush deleted 5 million emails. Paint one....paint all.

Last Edited: 7/13/2016 2:37:54 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/13/2016 3:22:11 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Powell used a private server, Rice used a private server and Bush deleted 5 million emails. Paint one....paint all.

Not the same thing, false analogy:

http://tinyurl.com/zch4u3p

Last Edited: 7/13/2016 3:25:29 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/13/2016 8:38:25 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Powell used a private server, Rice used a private server and Bush deleted 5 million emails. Paint one....paint all.

Not the same thing, false analogy:

http://tinyurl.com/zch4u3p

Who really cares. Citizens United voters will vote based on the bs these rogue "campaign" throw up/out there.

rpbobcat
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/14/2016 6:48:47 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Powell used a private server, Rice used a private server and Bush deleted 5 million emails. Paint one....paint all.

Not the same thing, false analogy:

http://tinyurl.com/zch4u3p

Who really cares. Citizens United voters will vote based on the bs these rogue "campaign" throw up/out there.

The Citizens United case "leveled the playing field" when it comes to campaign spending.

Before that case Unions and similar organizations had free reign in spending on campaigns.This case gives both sides the same ability to fund raise to get their message out.

To me the only possible solution would be to publicly funded campaigns.

Problem is,for that to work you need an objective Fourth Estate.
We don't have one anymore.

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/14/2016 10:53:38 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Powell used a private server, Rice used a private server and Bush deleted 5 million emails. Paint one....paint all.

Not the same thing, false analogy:

http://tinyurl.com/zch4u3p

Who really cares. Citizens United voters will vote based on the bs these rogue "campaign" throw up/out there.

Here's an easier and more simple solution. No one individual or organization can give more than $100 to a candidate in a calendar year.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/15/2016 4:22:13 AM

rpobcatb...OCF: Get into it!

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rpbobcat
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/15/2016 6:50:11 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Powell used a private server, Rice used a private server and Bush deleted 5 million emails. Paint one....paint all.

Not the same thing, false analogy:

http://tinyurl.com/zch4u3p

Who really cares. Citizens United voters will vote based on the bs these rogue "campaign" throw up/out there.

Here's an easier and more simple solution. No one individual or organization can give more than $100 to a candidate in a calendar year.

That sounds great,but without an objective press,something we don't have,it can't work.

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/17/2016 1:56:37 PM

"Objective"....as defined by your standards??

#echochamberofyourpeople

rpbobcat
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/17/2016 3:18:07 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

"Objective"....as defined by your standards??

#echochamberofyourpeople[Quote]

Objective by any impartial standard.

Some news sources are more "slanted" then others.
MSNBC, The N.Y. Times and Fox come to mind.

But with rare exception, objective reporting has gone the way of the Dodo Bird.

Last Edited: 7/17/2016 3:22:21 PM by rpbobcat

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/19/2016 2:24:13 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

"Objective"....as defined by your standards??

#echochamberofyourpeople[Quote]

I suspect that you overstate the extent of media objectivity in the era before the internet and hundreds of tv channels. Probably it's about the same now in %, only more outlets bring more volume.

And, on behalf of all my right wing friends, I'd like to say that no matter what initiative anyone proposes on anything: It will kill jobs.

Even though that's probably always been true of every new initiative... and the job-adding effects of the new proposal need not be considered.

The left side doesn't cystalize its messages well, but the right side is so mono-thinking rigid.

Indictment yet?

rpbobcat
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/19/2016 6:59:56 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Objectivity in news reporting was lost long before the internet.

It became obvious during the 60's,when what were supposed to be news reports by people like Morley Safer and Walter Cronkite on subjects like the Vietnam War,became editorials.

As far as indictment.

If Comey's comments are accurate.
Mrs. Clinton,the "smartest woman in the world",didn't know that the "c" on her email meant classified.

You also conduct an interview with the target of a criminal investigation,without that person being under oath ?

And I'm sure Bill and Loretta met in private on a plane,just to discus golf and grand kids.

Yea,nothing to see here.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/19/2016 10:31:29 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Cronkite essentially told the truth vs. a history of official lies re Vietnam. Deal with it. It resonated because it made a lot more sense than what the govt was saying.

Yeah, Melania didn't plagiarize and I can't wait to see how Manziel plays this year in the NFL.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

Go ahead. Blame right's failures in national politics on the media if it makes you feel better.

Or, you can take a bit more objective look at whether it's a msg that doesn't play.

Hey, how'd you like that Paul Ryan intern pic with totally white persons. Nice diversity. But, hey, righty has room for LGBT--even if virulently against their marrying.

Have a nice mirror.

rpbobcat
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/19/2016 2:00:09 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Cronkite was against the war,so he told the "truth" as he saw it.

The government,from Johnson,a Democrat I believe, on down,also was less then honest with the American people.

Thing is,the government didn't have the ability to broadcast edited news reports into American homes every night.

According to friends of mine who served in Vietnam,the news reports didn't come close to telling the true story of what was going on over there,especially the atrocities done by the North to our soldiers and their civilians.

I also can't believe that you're paying so much attention to a convention for a party you have no interest in or respect for.

It will be interesting to see if the "objective" news media is as "picky" when the Democrats hold their convention.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/20/2016 2:41:59 AM

Cronkite was VERY respected. I think that he literally polled as the most respected man in America.

I think most then thought him to be objective.

So, when he opined, it was pretty close to 'the truth.' He thought it through deeply. It was very heart-felt...hardly off the cuff.

Many knew (returning soldiers..see The Pentagon Papers) that the government was lying (and, yes, that had nothing to do with which party was then in the White House).

Those lies were effectively the government broadcasting lies into American homes.

I'm sure the N Vietnamese/Cong were committing atrocities; it was a war.

Seriously, dude, are you one of the whack jobs who believe that we coulda won Vietnam, that it wasn't mostly a colossal screw up.

Yeah, the Dems can be made fun of. But at least their view of the world isn't pretty much over the edge.

What--no reaction..no realization of how damning that all-white picture of Ryan and the interns is?!

Yeah, only plagiarizing 7% isn't really plagiarizing.

Last Edited: 7/20/2016 2:45:51 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/20/2016 7:15:26 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Monroe:
Why the name calling ?

Just because you disagree on what you assume was how I felt about the Vietnam War,(you were wrong by the way) is no reason to try to insult me.

I'd like to know the basis of your assumptions on my position on the Vietnam War?

I wasn't a supporter of us being there,but felt that, if we were going to fight a war,we fight it as a "war" not a "police action".

I wasn't a supporter of the war. However,I still would have gone,had I been drafted.I actually planned on enlisting in the Marines if my number came up.

I still remember one of my ROTC instructors at O.U. going over the reasons why our tactics in Vietnam wouldn't result in victory.He felt the war would end in a similar manner to Korea.

I was in ROTC since, when I got to O.U., I hadn't gotten my draft number yet,and ROTC was the only deferment you could get.

ROTC confirmed that I wasn't cut out to be an officer,so I dropped my deferment and took my chances in the draft.

As far as politics,I enjoy a good debate about issues.Your last post makes it clear that this thread no longer is.

I'll just close with the fact that the day after the election one of us will be happy,the other not.

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/20/2016 10:59:28 AM

For your thoughtful consideration, as you throw stones from your glass house:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/cli...

And this:

"As for the issue of borrowing speeches, Mr. Biden was insistent that he had done nothing wrong. He said it was ''ludicrous'' to expect a politician to attribute all the quotations of others, and he cited two examples to support his argument."

Full NYT article:

http://tinyurl.com/pnvnwu5

Note that I'm only quoting known right-wing sources here, so you can just ignore any significance therein.

Also, I don't intended to make further comment on this worthless thread, but just thought I'd chime in once so that you'd know I'm still lurking around.

Last Edited: 7/20/2016 11:00:47 AM by OhioCatFan

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Posted: 7/20/2016 12:01:17 PM

As long as we keep justifying actions by stating "well he did it too", we are condoning and justifying the behavior. We would not accept that from our children and we should not accept that from our leadership. We can complain about the weakness of society and how young people have no sense of responsibility, but by our own actions we are teaching them exactly what we bemoan.

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/25/2016 2:11:33 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

OCF--my man! Glad you're in and fighting!

From the party that brought you Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, and Bush II, it's....

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/25/2016 10:59:47 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

OCF--my man! Glad you're in and fighting!

From the party that brought you Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, and Bush II, it's....

it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz

http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/25/2016 9:49:49 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

OCF--my man! Glad you're in and fighting!

From the party that brought you Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, and Bush II, it's....

it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz

It's Putin - Playing both sides like a beginner version of Mary Had A Little Lamb on a ukulele.....

RS Bobcat

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/26/2016 3:09:57 AM

It's possible that Wasserman Schultz will be less detrimental to the Dems chances than Trump is to the Repubs chances.

One will be forgotten in a week. The other will likely cause eyes to roll through the first week November of.

Last Edited: 7/26/2016 3:10:29 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/26/2016 8:39:44 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

The DNC email scandal will hang around if Wikileaks keeps dumping bombshell emails like they did over the weekend.

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Posted: 7/27/2016 3:06:44 AM

Bombshell in the sense, apparently, that that the talking heads needed something to go on about endlessly but the general public is yawning--that kind of bombshell?

Unless it can be legitimately tied to Trump. That would get excitement.

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RE: Nice Benghazi

Posted: 7/27/2016 8:55:27 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Bombshell in the sense, apparently, that that the talking heads needed something to go on about endlessly but the general public is yawning--that kind of bombshell?

I think the importance of Wikileaks release of DNC emails,and who knows what else, will depend on what's in them.Given the impact of last weekend's email dump ,I think that there will still be interest,at least for Wikileaks' next release.

Depending upon what is leaked,when and how,there is the possibility of "Death By A Thousand Cuts" for Mrs. Clinton.

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