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Robert Fox
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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 8:52:56 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Nothing more fun than to watch a Family Values Christian conservative, have to apologize to his family for porking the baby sitter, or currently in Tennessee where the Attorney General has removed a legislator's office from the statehouse because he can't keep his hands to himself or his mouth shut

I don't know what you're talking about. And I don't know how that fits this thread. You trying take a shot at me, "Billy"?

Only if you want it to be, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't quote you, name you, or even infer you. just reading this article, and it never fails how these guys tout their moral values on others while failing to keep their hands to themselves.

http://www.nashvillepost.com/politics/article/20493053/ha...

Oh and let's not forget Conservative stalwart Dennis Hastert? Up to 4 little boys now, and looking to get no more than 6 months.

Surely you can't be suggesting that sexual predators are a product only of the right, can you? I don't keep up with this stuff either, but a two-second search dredged up this from 2009. Unfortunately, Wiener, Clinton and Kennedy didn't make the cut.

REP. JOHN YOUNG (D-Tex.):
Colleen Gardner, a former staff secretary to Young, told the New York Times that Young increased her salary after she gave in to his sexual advances. In November, Young, who had run unopposed in the safe Democratic district five consecutive times, w More..as reelected with just 61 percent of the vote. The scandal wouldn't go away, and in 1978 Young was defeated in a Democratic primary runoff.

REP. ALLAN HOWE (D-Utah):
Howe was arrested in Salt Lake City on charges of soliciting two policewomen posing as prostitutes. Howe insisted he was set up and refused to resign. But the Democratic Party distanced itself from his candidacy and he was trounced by his Republican opponent in the November election.

REP. FRED RICHMOND (D-N.Y.):
Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he "made bad judgments involving my private life." In spite of a Democratic primary opponent's attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection. But his career came to an end four years later when, after pleading guilty to possession of marijuana and tax evasion - and amid allegations that he had his staff procure cocaine for him -- he resigned his seat.

REP. JOHN HINSON (D-Miss.):
During his first reelection bid, Hinson stunned everyone by announcing that in 1976 he had been accused of committing an obscene act at a gay haunt in Virginia. Hinson, married and a strong conservative, added that in 1977 he had survived a fire in a gay D.C. movie theater. He was making the disclosure, he said, because he needed to clear his conscience. But he denied he was a homosexual and refused GOP demands that he resign. Hinson won reelection in a three-way race, with 39 percent of the vote. But three months later, he was arrested on charges of attempted oral sodomy in the restroom of a House office building. He resigned his seat on April 13, 1981.

REP. ROBERT BAUMAN (D-Md.):
Bauman, a leading "pro-family" conservative, pleaded innocent to a charge that he committed oral sodomy on a teenage boy in Washington. Married and the father of four, Bauman conceded that he had been an alcoholic but had been seeking treatment. The news came as a shock to voters of the rural, conservative district, and he lost to a Democrat in November.

REP. DAN CRANE (R-Ill.) and REP. GERRY STUDDS (D-Mass.):
The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983, announced that Crane and Studds had sexual relationships with teenage congressional pages -- Crane with a 17-year-old female in 1980, Studds with a 17-year-old male in 1973. Both admitted the charges that same day, and Studds acknowledged he was gay. The committee voted to reprimand the two, but a back-bench Georgia Republican named Newt Gingrich argued that they should be expelled. The full House voted on July 20 instead to censure the two, the first time that ever happened for sexual misconduct. Crane, married and the father of six, was tearful in his apology to the House, while Studds refused to apologize. Crane's conservative district voted him out in 1984, while the voters in Studds's more liberal district were more forgiving. Studds won reelection in 1984 with 56 percent of the vote, and continued to win until he retired in 1996.

SEN. BROCK ADAMS (D-Wash.):
Seattle newspapers reported that Kari Tupper, the daughter of Adams's longtime friends, filed a complaint against the Washington Democrat in July of 1987, charging sexual assault. She claimed she went to Adams's house in March 1987 to get him to end a pattern of harassment, but that he drugged her and assaulted her. Adams denied any sexual assault, saying they only talked about her employment opportunities. Adams continued raising campaign funds and declared for a second term in February of 1992. But two weeks later the Seattle Times reported that eight other women were accusing Adams of sexual molestation over the past 20 years, describing a history of drugging and subsequent rape. Later that day, while still proclaiming his innocence, Adams ended his campaign.

REP. JIM BATES (D-Calif.):
Roll Call quoted former Bates aides in October 1988 saying that the San Diego Democrat made sexual advances toward female staffers. Bates called it a GOP-inspired smear campaign, but also apologized for anything he did that might have seemed inappropriate. The story came too close to Election Day to damage Bates, who won easily. However, the following October the ethics committee sent Bates a "letter of reproval" directing him to make a formal apology to the women who filed the complaint. Although the district was not thought to be hospitable to the GOP, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a former Navy pilot who was once shot down over North Vietnam, ousted Bates in 1990 by fewer than 2,000 votes.

REP. GUS SAVAGE (D-Ill.):
Savage had fondled a Peace Corps volunteer while on an official visit to Zaire. Savage called the story a lie and blamed it on his political enemies and a racist media. (Savage is black.) In January 1990, the House ethics committee decided that the events did occur, but decided against any disciplinary action because Savage wrote a letter to the woman saying he "never intended to offend" her. Savage was reelected in 1990, but finally ousted in the 1992 primary by Mel Reynolds.

REP. BARNEY FRANK (D-Mass.):
In response to a story in the Washington Times, Frank confirmed that he hired Steve Gobie, a male prostitute, in 1985 to live with and work for him in his D.C. apartment. But Frank, who is gay, said he fired Gobie in 1987 when he learned he was using the apartment to run a prostitution service. The Boston Globe, among others, called on Frank to resign, but he refused. On July 19, 1990, the ethics committee recommended Frank be reprimanded because he "reflected discredit upon the House" by using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie's parking tickets. Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. The fury in Washington was not shared in Frank's district, where he won reelection in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.

SEN. DANIEL INOUYE (D-Hawaii):
In October 1992, Republican Senate nominee Rick Reed began running a campaign commercial that included a surreptitiously taped interview with Lenore Kwock, Inouye's hairdresser. Kwock said Inouye had sexually forced himself on her in 1975 and continued a pattern of sexual harassment, even as Kwock continued to cut his hair over the years. Inouye, seeking a sixth term, denied the charges. And Kwock said that by running the commercial, Reed had caused her more pain than Inouye had. Reed was forced to pull the ad, and while many voters took out their anger on the Republican, Inouye was held to 57 percent of the vote - the lowest total of his career. A week later, a female Democratic state legislator announced that she had heard from nine other women who claimed Inouye had sexually harassed them over the past decade. But the women didn't go public with their claims, the local press didn't pursue the story, and the Senate Ethics Committee decided to drop the investigation because the accusers wouldn't participate in an inquiry.

REP MEL REYNOLDS (D-Ill.):
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

Let's not forget:
John Wayne Gacy, rapist, murderer, democrat fund raiser
Michael Skakel, Kennedy, murderer
William Kennedy Smith, Kennedy, rapist
Brian Doyle, dem activist child molester
Neil Goldschmidt, Oregon governor, confessed child molester
Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-IL child rapist pardoned by clinton
The Kennedy Family Murder, Rapes
The Clinton Rapes
David Lettermans pedophile remarks about a 13 year old girl
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4c_1254342072#2GWYUGc2hrb...

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 9:06:05 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Not only is OCF known for being astute on history, but he's also known for being knowledgeable about the workings of our government.

So he should be aware that the NC general assembly convened a special session of both houses during a recess to draft and pass a bill that on the face of it is all about the "bathrooms," but what it also did was remove the right of any citizen to not be discriminated against due to their sexual orientation.

A state legislature was able w/in 18 hours to draft, approve, and have a bill signed into law. When has this ever happened, OCF? And then the governor signed the bill on the same day. They decided that a certain number of people in North Carolina are not protected against discrimination. They can be fired, thrown out of a restaurant, or refused service by anyone at any time because someone feels that they don't like their sexual orientation with NO protection under the law.

This bill, if I'm not mistaken, was passed after all Democrats walked out of the special session and was signed by a Republican governor. So much for being the party that is trying to be more inclusive.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 9:08:12 AM

Robert, what I am saying, is that one side hides behind the Bible while being immoral, while the other side is just outwardly immoral. I'll pick the group that doesn't hide behind the Bible every time.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 9:16:44 AM

And you are not the only one who can cut and paste. And this list is longer 😎

Republican "Paragons of Virtue" in High National Offices - (Section I ) :

Unlike many of the other Republican Party Sexual Immorality lists, I've taken pains to include only fairly current, significant and definite entries; I cover the federal, state and local level; and on this page I distinguish and list only examples of personal "immorality" or misconduct, as opposed to examples of political "corruption", which I feature on a distinct web page, namely gopcorruption.html.

The logical place to start might be the top, namely corruption at the presidential level. But since there are so few presidents compared to members of Congress, let's start with Congress, and then down to the state and local level, and before taking up the presidents.

Conservatives promote the idea that Democrats should hang their heads in shame over people like Larry Flint, a publisher of pornography, if such people reveal that they vote Democratic. But political parties can't control or be responsible for those who vote for their party's candidates. What parties can control is whom they endorse to run under their banner for any public office. And the Democratic Party doesn't promote people like Larry Flint for public office. Contrast that to the kinds of people the Republican Party regularly selects for positions of leadership in their party, people like :

Senator John Ensign (R-NV.) confessed to serious cheating on his wife with a staffer and caught paying hush money to the husband, his chief of staff.

Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), confessed to serious cheating on his wife after leaving his state unsupervised for a week.

Senator Larry Craig (R-ID.), caught in a gay sex sting operation in a Minn. bathroom.

Senator David Vitter (R-LA), found to have been a client of prostitutes in D.C. & Louisiana.

Rep. Mark Foley, (R-Fl.) forced to resign when he was found to be having inappropriate communications with male pages.

In Connecticut, the holier-than-thou Republican party chose the mayor of one of the state's largest cities as its candidate for the U.S. Senate. If Joe Lieberman had caved in to Republican demands in the year 2000 that he not run for relection to the senate at the same time that he was running for the vice presidency, then our nation would have had a Republican Senator from Conn., named Philip Giordano at least until he was sentenced to serve his 37 year sentence in Federal prison as a result of the FBI investigating him for financial shenanigans and discovering in the process that this crooked, disgusting Republican office holder had been repeatedly molesting two pre-teen little girls related to his prostitute-mistress (in the mayor's office among other places).

There was more on this disgusting Republican office holder at : 1010wins.com/topstories, but it has since been removed.

Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.

William "Wild Bill" Janklow was promoted to many high offices in very conservative South Dakota, including the 27th and 30th Governor, 25th Attorney General, and the United States Congress. He was only removed from office when he was forced to after being convicted of killing someone with his car while speedy through a stop sign. ( The superintendent of the state highway patrol, reported at his trial that Janklow had 16 traffic stops by troopers during his last term as governor, but was not ticketed due to "respect for his authority" and out of a "fear of retribution.")

But why did the Republican Party select this man to run for so many high offices in its name? In 1955, at the age of 16, he was convicted of the sexual assault of a 17-year old woman. As a juvenile offense, this conviction carried little weight under U.S. law.
However, in 1966, while working as the tribal attorney for the Rosebud Sioux, Janklow�aged 27�was accused of raping his children's 15-year-old babysitter, Jancita Eagle Deer. Adult sexual offenses being more grave than this earlier recorded exploit, Janklow used his capacity as head of reservation legal services to stave off the (illegible) of formal, federal charges. He then resigned his position and left tribal jurisdiction." . . .

(Janklow may be the only known sex offender and accused rapist in living memory to have occupied a U. S. governor's office).

"Had it not been for the intervention of the FBI in the form of its undercover agent, Douglass Durham, it seems possible that Janklow would have gone to the state prison rather than to the state capitol. Conversely, had it not been for the unabashed cooperation of Attorney General William Janklow, the reign of terror perpetrated by the FBI against the American Indian Movement would have been much more difficult to pull off."

[ from http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_issues/strangecaseofjan ...
and now many MORE Republican Congressmen & women :
Oh, how "Pro Life" those Republicans are !

Rep. DesJarlais,
who is also a doctor, made the unfortunately rather common decision to cheat on his wife before assuming office. However, that's not all he did. You see, besides cheating on his wife, Rep. DesJarlais' choice of partners bears mention � specifically, he�
Cheated with his coworkers
Cheated with his own patients.
Wrote false prescriptions for one of his mistresses to get drugs, and�
Pressured his own wife to get an abortion � twice � while campaigning as a supposedly family values-friendly candidate.
The Chattanooga Times Free Press reports:
A decade before calling himself "a consistent supporter of pro-life values," Tennessee physician and Republican U.S. Rep. Scott DesJarlais supported his ex-wife's decision to get two abortions before their marriage, according to the congressman's sworn testimony during his divorce trialObtained by the Chattanooga Times Free Press, the couple's 2001 trial transcript also confirms DesJarlais had sexual relationships with at least two patients, three coworkers and a drug representative while he was chief of staff at Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, Tenn. During one affair with a female patient, DesJarlais prescribed her drugs, gave her an $875 watch and bought her a plane ticket to Las Vegas, records show.
[ from http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-may-be-the-worst-con... / ]

Newt Gingrich (R-GA) According to L. H. Carter, reported to be one of Gingrich's closest friends until a falling-out in 1979, "Newt is amoral. There isn't any right or wrong, there isn't any conservative or liberal. There's only what will work best for Newt Gingrich."
Mary Kahn, wife of Mr. Gingrich's Congressional campaign manager during the 1970s said, "Newt uses people and then discards them as useless. He really is a man with no conscience. He just doesn't seem to care who he hurts or why." Keep those to quotes in mind as you read what Mr. Gingrich told the Washington Post on January 3, 1995: "I have an enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I am doing it."
Bob Livingston (R-LA) was about to replace Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House until he resigned in disgrace when it was revealed that he admitted to had been involved in several adulterous affairs, (while attempting to crucify Democratic President Clinton for having done much less)!

Bob Barr (R-GA) the principal sponsor of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, has been married three (or is it now four) times. And at a party in 1992, Barr actually licked whipped cream off the breasts of two women, neither of them his current wife. Now that's family values!

Bill Thomas (R-CA) This 11-term Republican is chairman of the Ways and Means subcommittee on Health. In June, (2003?) the Bakersfield Californian reported that Thomas, who is married, was having an affair with health care lobbyist Deborah Steelman, who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest. In an "open letter to friends and neighbors" (voters), Thomas did not deny the relationship, but said during his legislative career, " . . . Any personal failures of commitment or responsibility to my wife, family, or friends are just that, personal. I have never traded a public responsibility for a personal one and I never will."

Dan Burton (R-Indiana) was the Chairman of the House Government Reform & Oversight Committee. He hated President Clinton so much that he publicly called him a "scumbag". Following an expose, Burton was forced to admit that he fathered an out-of-wedlock child, a fact he denied for years.
He has yet to admit, however, that during 38 years of marriage he has committed adultery with dozens of women, sexually assaulted others (including a lobbyist for Planned Parenthood), and kept mistresses on his campaign and public payrolls � to the tune of at least a half-million dollars.

Charles Canady (R-Fl), Judiciary Committee member. A leading opponent of abortion, Canady lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce from Florida businessman Robert Becker.

Dick Armey (R-TX): as an economics professor before entering Congress, was accused of sexually harassing female students, according to the Dallas Observer.

John Peterson (R-PA): has been accused of sexual harassment and hostile-work-environment claims by six women.

Helen Chenoweth (R-ID): one of first to condemn Clinton, admitted to having a six year extramarital affair with a married associate. The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed. (She has since divorced and remarried � no doubt with the Lord's blessing!-)

J.C. Watts (R-Oklahoma): has said "Character is simply doing right when no one is looking." Watts has tried to cover up his out-of-wedlock child.

John Schmitz (R-CA), former extreme right-wing Republican fathered two children by a mistress � a former student named Carla Stuckle whom Schmitz taught when he was a professor at Santa Ana College. One of these children was once admitted to an Orange County hospital with hair tied in a square knot around his penis so tightly that it was almost severed.

Congressman Schmitz' daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, made national headlines when as a school teacher, she was arrested twice for having sex and producing two children with an underage student of hers (beginning when he was only 13 years old).

Don Sherwood (R-PA) Had a five year adulterous affair which only ended when his mistress sued him for physical abuse (and attempted murder?) in 2004.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl, which produced a child.

Donald "Buz" Lukens (R-OH) was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Ken Calvert (R-CA) said in 1998, "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." This is the same Christian Coalition ally, who was caught by police in 1993 receiving oral sex from a prostitute. His ex-wife also sued him for failure to pay alimony.

Randy Cunningham (R-CA): In their corruption case, which resulted in a prison sentence of several years, Federal prosecutors also investigated allegations that Congressman 'Duke' Cunningham was periodically supplied with prostitutes

Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Yet she's divorced and now married to the man with whom some say she has admitted committing adultery when she and he were married to their prior spouses.

Jim Bunn, (R-Oregon) With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then left his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll with a salary of $ 97,500.

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Rep. Vito Fossela. (R-NY) another "family values" Republican lost his seat when it was revealed that he had fathered a child with a woman not his wife.

Chip Pickering (R-Miss.) 's estranged wife claims in a lawsuit he had an affair that ruined their marriage while Pickering was in Congress and living in a Christian building for lawmakers on C Street, near the U.S. Capitol. Pickering, 45, was elected to Congress in 1996, retired in January and is now a lobbyist in Washington for Cellular South, the company that is owned by his mistress's family.

Dan Crane (R-IL) On July 20, 1983, the House voted to simultaneously censure two members of Congress for sexual misconduct, the first time it had ever done so.
Crane was censured for having sexual relations with a 17 year-old female page.

Gerry Studds(D-Mass.) was censured for having sexual relations with a 17 year-old male page.
Conservative Republicans try to get some kind of political advantage by treating these two cases as morally equivalent, or they speak only of the Democrat, Studds. But here's the rest of the story that they don't want people to know:
Repub. Crane was a married man at the time and a father of six young children, while Dem. Studds had been single at the time. As homosexuals, Studds and the page were not allowed to marry, but their relationship was so consensual that they had been together for ten years from the time of the original liason until 1983, when the "scandal" broke.
Neither of the two resigned from Congress; they both ran for re-election.
The Repub. Crane was defeated. The Dem. Studds was re-elected for 5 more terms for a total of 20 years.
Robert Bauman (R-MD) was campaigning for his fourth term as a Maryland Congressman in 1980. A practicing Roman Catholic with a wife and child, he was one of the most vocal conservatives in a very conservative Congress. He regularly rallied for old-fashioned values and attacked all supporters of abortion and homosexual rights. His campaign looked rock-solid, before it changed overnight with a series of shocking revelations. The public learned that Bauman had been charged with soliciting sex from a 16-year old boy he picked up at a gay bar, and that he had been the victim of an extortion scheme by a man who claimed to have had a sexual relationship with him. This, combined with an alcohol problem (which did not seem to bother his fellow Congressmen before), doomed his political career.

In the Fall of 2009, yet another conservative Christian Republican fell from grace. Assemblymen Michael Duvall of Yorba Linda, CA. made the mistake of bragging before a "hot mike" to a fellow legislator, about his sexual conquests with female lobbyists, at "the head table" of a legislative hearing room, . This champion opponent of gay equality was a married man with two children who had earned a 100% rating for good Christian family values organizations. Now, he's joined the cavalcade of disgraced hypocritical Republican former politicians.

Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. [ http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/8/12123/29391 ]
Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General of Georgia, prosecuted the famous "Bowers vs. Hardwick" case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair.
Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Neil Bush, brother of George W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while he was on an Asian business trip.

Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS.
Carey Lee Cramer, political consultant and producer of negative presidential campaign ads, convicted of molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. political skullduggery.

Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizarre sexual content, including bestiality and pedophilia.

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Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer. The suit included graphic details, including tape-recordings. O'Reilly's wife was pregnant at the time. O'Reilly settled and paid millions of dollars rather than have the details become public.

Judith Regan, Conservative Republican writer and pundit has had several well-publicized affairs and marriages and divorces, and tried to publish a book by O.J. Simpson that wasn't even up to FOX's low standards.

Here's an interesting article from "Pat & Jerry Country":
"Convicted sex offender wins 'Republican of the Year' award",
by Matthew Roy, The Virginian-Pilot �
February 13, 2002
Suffolk,VA � " previous commitment will keep a Suffolk man from traveling to Washington, D.C., to accept a Republican of the Year award: He's serving a 26-year state prison sentence.

Spokesmen for the National Republican Congressional Committee, an arm of the Republican National Committee that raises millions of dollars to elect GOP candidates to the U.S. House of Representatives, acknowledged Tuesday that convicted sex offender Mark A. Grethen was invited to accept the award at its Business Advisory Council's luncheon in March. U.S Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., chairs the NRCC. . . The award was rescinded after the NRCC learned that Grethen, 44, a former businessman, was convicted last year of six sex crimes involving children � two counts each of forcible sodomy, aggravated sexual battery and indecent liberties. He is in the Deep Meadow Correctional Center, and his projected release date is Sept. 25, 2024."

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 9:17:37 AM

And I don't want to support any of those candidates, whether they "hide behind the bible" or not. If anything, I believe conservatives are more likely to turn inward and attack their own when warranted. Liberals seem to "circle the wagon" whenever ethics charges arise.

To each of the conservative politicians who are convicted sex offenders, I strongly support tossing them out and/or tossing them in prison. No argument from me. If we're talking criminal offenses and even more to the point, sexual offenses, political ideology should not be considered. By anyone.

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:19:07 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

Where did I say I support any of them. But many of these clowns pass morality laws against others, while going out and being immoral themselves. That's where I have a real problem.

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:20:19 AM

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I'll pick the group that doesn't hide behind the Bible every time.

Here's where you said it.

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:20:25 AM

Hastert looking at maybe 6 months? That's a crime in itself. There should be a special cell waiting for him.

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:22:04 AM

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Hastert looking at maybe 6 months? That's a crime in itself. There should be a special cell waiting for him.

No argument from me. Do you think I'd defend him?

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:30:38 AM

No, and why are you so touchy? This entire exchange started because you thought I was directing something directly at you. I'm pretty straightforward, when I address someone, it's pretty well laid out that I am speaking to a particular person. (Right OCF)

I have to run now, the Shuttle is coming to take me to the surplus sale and spring game. 😎

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:32:01 AM

Not touchy. I saw your post as a covert shot at me, primarily due to the Tennessee reference. If I had that wrong, I apologize.

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Posted: 4/9/2016 9:38:36 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

Not touchy. I saw your post as a covert shot at me, primarily due to the Tennessee reference. If I had that wrong, I apologize.

No the Tennessee story is mind boggling, that you have a legislator who is barred from his place of business unless escorted and under guard, and the sheer number of incidents and victims blows my mind. The guy should be like any civil servant, he should be immediately placed on administrative leave, investigated and then fired and prosecuted if there is a basis. This is exactly how any non-legislative class would be dealt with.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 10:25:26 AM

For the record, here's the actual text of the North Carolina bathroom bill as enacted: http://tinyurl.com/jz4hj3t This law was passed for the express purpose of overruling the now infamous Charlotte Bathroom Ordinance. I'll let the lawyers among us determine if the wording of the state legislature's bill needs further refinement, but the intent of the legislature was quite clear in all the debate leading up the the bill. The reason it was passed in a special session was to prevent the Charlotte ordinance from going into effect in a few weeks. They did have a deadline to deal with.

Here's one take on the North Carolina bill from a conservative source, a perspective that many of you may not have much exposure to: http://tinyurl.com/z3bgjwq

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 11:19:40 AM

I love the liberals argument about photo IDs. I do volunteer work for a charity and know that you cannot get any assistance from state or federal agencies unless you have a picture ID. You also cannot visit a doctor or do anything legal with a photo ID. My mom is 91 and let hers expire. You can't do much without one. When I hear claims of 10 to 20% of individuals prevented from voting because they don't have a government ID, I just laugh because it is a liberal bs. If the kid in Wisconsin needed to see a private doctor, he would have needed more than his college ID.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 2:24:37 PM

akroncat wrote:

Up until this last post, this has been a very civil discussion. No need to start throwing out labels because even those are open to interpretation. I consider myself a fiscally conservative socially moderate registered Democrat. Because I vote for more Democratic candidates than Republican doesn't make me a "liberal." We'd be best served if we're going to continue to have these discussions, which by the way, I think we should, if we'd forgo the labeling and regurgitation of the party line. The world is not black and white. As Harry Chapin said in his song "Flowers Are Red" which by the way the NEA hated, "There are so many colors in the rainbow So many colors in the morning sun So many colors in the flower and I see every one"

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 4:23:55 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Not touchy. I saw your post as a covert shot at me, primarily due to the Tennessee reference. If I had that wrong, I apologize.

It is mind boggling. On that, we agree completely. I read this story in my local paper just today. Now I will say the accused claims he's totally innocent. Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't. If he's guilty, throw the bum out.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 8:51:02 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Not touchy. I saw your post as a covert shot at me, primarily due to the Tennessee reference. If I had that wrong, I apologize.

I saw a CBS story on Thursday that says there are 27 accusers, with as many as 32 more. I'll dig further, unfortunately I'm having major connectivity issues.

And Al, I agree, way to much, just because they disagree with me, let's throw a "negative" label or insult. This has been the problem in this nation, too many labels and too much intolerance.

OCF, spin it how you want, but NC is taking a big financial hit because of their "reaction"

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/9/2016 8:51:57 PM

akroncat wrote:

As a citizen of the United States, I do not have to have a photo ID, that is simply a fact.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 8:11:19 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

akroncat wrote:

I consider myself a fiscally conservative socially moderate

Will you back this claim up and vote libertarian in the 2016 presidential election?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 10:51:06 AM

The Optimist wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

akroncat wrote:

I consider myself a fiscally conservative socially moderate

Will you back this claim up and vote libertarian in the 2016 presidential election?

Since voting for the first time in 1976, I've voted for Democrats, Republicans and "third party" candidates. Who I vote for in this election and every election will be based on the person running not solely on the party that he or she represents.

Last Edited: 4/10/2016 3:55:36 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 12:55:21 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

. . .OCF, spin it how you want, but NC is taking a big financial hit because of their "reaction"

Much of it is hysterical and not based on the facts or the actual new law. I admire the officials in NC for standing up against the mob mentality of those who would shut down any speech or action with which they disagree. In an historical context, it reminds me a little of the Sons of Liberty, who while smashing Tory newspaper presses would chant, "Freedom of speech for the speech of liberty." Intolerance didn't start in our generation.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 4:46:04 PM

I'm sorry, denying someone's right to practice discrimination is not blocking their right to speech, no more so than sitting at the lunch counter limited Woolworth's speech.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 5:05:27 PM

This is kind of interesting:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/devil.asp

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 6:32:03 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

I'm sorry, denying someone's right to practice discrimination is not blocking their right to speech, no more so than sitting at the lunch counter limited Woolworth's speech.

What in the world are you talking about? As I said previously, you've distorted the concept of discrimination beyond all recognition. The clear intent of the legislation is to keep people from going to public restrooms of the opposite sex. If this be discrimination, you'd be happy in the the world of 1984 and newspeak.

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RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas

Posted: 4/10/2016 7:06:56 PM

C'mon OCF. Who can use which bathrooms is just a very small part of the "bathroom" bill.

Republicans in NC want people to think that it is only about bathrooms. Instead, it's more about making it OK to discriminate against those with different sexual orientations in terms of work, housing, where they can eat, etc. . . Big cities in NC, run by people a little more open minded than those running the state, can no longer have laws banning such discrimination.

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