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Topic:  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/7/2016 12:56:03 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
OCF,

While I disagree with some of your assertions, I do respect the process and the way it has changed over the short life of our awesome country. Without getting into a disagreement, it seems that we both share a love of history and of the presidency. I would then recommend that you listen to the podcast from the Washington Post, 'Presidential'. They are releasing a new podcast every Sunday on the next president in the line. This week, I was treated to an understanding of the Millard Fillmore presidency. I have listened to each multiple times thus far and have really enjoyed all of them. The John Adams and the John Tyler episodes really were interesting. Give them a listen, I imagine you'd enjoy.


Thanks, I'll check out those podcasts, they sound very interesting. I wonder how honestly they'll deal with Woodrow Wilson's racism and role in the resurgence of the KKK.

I'll make one more point about primaries, which I don't expect you to agree with as my position is a very minority opinion at this juncture. I don't believe that any state money should ever be spent on a party primary in any state. I see no rationale for the collusion between state government and political parties. If a party wants to have a primary election, they should pay for the polling places, the poll workers, etc. If they want to chose their candidates by caucus, by local or state convention, or any other means that's their business. It's none of the state's business whatsoever. I believe what we have now is an unholy alliance between the two major parities and the governments of most states. This is in their self-interest as it tends to make it much harder for new parties to develop and get on the ballot and it institutionalizes a system that I believe is actually unconstitutional. There are a few states that have a completely "hands off" approach to internal party matters of this sort -- mainly small states in the west. I think that should be the national model.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/7/2016 2:50:00 PM 
While I'd never thought of that (the state funding of party politics), it makes a great point. I'm not sure how I feel about it working, other than to agree that the party should be footing the bill. I also hate the arrogance of Iowa and New Hampshire always getting the first crack at the candidates. The pandering to those voters is an embarrassment to the process. While it's a dream, I'd love to imagine how our politics would look if we could only follow the Canadian model of campaigning for three to six weeks or so before the election.

My candidate of choice in this election was Joe Biden, but he felt that he was waiting too long to jump in. It's sad that more than a year before the general election was too late to get into the race.

As for Wilson, it'll be interesting and I hope they do mention this. I imagine the death of his wife, his inability to commit one way or another to involvement into World War I for the longest time, and the League of Nations (providing him with the Nobel Peace Prize, even though the US never joined) will be heavy topics on that podcast.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/7/2016 3:55:06 PM 
I'd like to wish you both the very best of luck in explaining to the electorate in these United States how a primary election is not a public election and can't be held with public funds. I can see "the Twitter" lighting up now. Poll tax, anyone?

I agree 100% but that ship has long since sailed. Heck, I am even constitutionally opposed to the check off box on my tax returns for funding various elections and the federal matching funds program, in general. Then there is the Secret Service Protection we pay for the candidates, etc., etc, ...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/7/2016 4:24:22 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
. . .My candidate of choice in this election was Joe Biden, but he felt that he was waiting too long to jump in. It's sad that more than a year before the general election was too late to get into the race. . . .


Well, if Hillary loses the "FBI Primary" I think Uncle Joe is waiting in the wings and ready to go! ;-) BTW, did we ever settle the great debate if Joe ever played for the Blue Hens in Peden? He said he did, but as I recall the data seemed to indicate that actually he didn't but was here as a non-player.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/7/2016 4:36:04 PM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
I'd like to wish you both the very best of luck in explaining to the electorate in these United States how a primary election is not a public election and can't be held with public funds. I can see "the Twitter" lighting up now. Poll tax, anyone? . . . I agree 100% but that ship has long since sailed.


What in the world? A political party paying for its own primary is equivalent to a poll tax? What passes for rational thought these days never ceases to amaze me. [I realize this not what you said but just what you are saying would show up on the Twitterverse.] Also, as I said, there still are a few states the refuse to pay for party primaries, so it's not unheard of in the 21st century. It certainly would be hard to reverse in state's that already are involved in this corrupt practice, but not impossible. It would probably take a carefully crafted case that made it to the U.S. Supreme Court and then a favorable ruling. Not predicting it. Just saying that is is possible.

Bobcatbob wrote:
Heck, I am even constitutionally opposed to the check off box on my tax returns for funding various elections and the federal matching funds program, in general. Then there is the Secret Service Protection we pay for the candidates, etc., etc, ...


Agree on the checkoff box stuff.

Protection for presidential candidates is a totally different ballgame. That's not the direct support of a political party but rather a public safety measure. At this point, I will agree, that there is an uneven application of how those resources are allocated. How is the decision made to provide (or almost always not provide) such protection for the Libertarian candidate, or the candidate of The Rent's too Damn High party? There has to be a cutoff somewhere, but where?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/7/2016 9:35:47 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
finnOhio wrote:
. . .My candidate of choice in this election was Joe Biden, but he felt that he was waiting too long to jump in. It's sad that more than a year before the general election was too late to get into the race. . . .


Well, if Hillary loses the "FBI Primary" I think Uncle Joe is waiting in the wings and ready to go! ;-) BTW, did we ever settle the great debate if Joe ever played for the Blue Hens in Peden? He said he did, but as I recall the data seemed to indicate that actually he didn't but was here as a non-player.



The FBI primary is a joke, just like the Cubs for the past 108 years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 6:49:05 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
finnOhio wrote:
. . .My candidate of choice in this election was Joe Biden, but he felt that he was waiting too long to jump in. It's sad that more than a year before the general election was too late to get into the race. . . .


Well, if Hillary loses the "FBI Primary" I think Uncle Joe is waiting in the wings and ready to go! ;-) BTW, did we ever settle the great debate if Joe ever played for the Blue Hens in Peden? He said he did, but as I recall the data seemed to indicate that actually he didn't but was here as a non-player.



The FBI primary is a joke, just like the Cubs for the past 108 years.


I don't know how it will play out,but don't think its appropriate to call the FBI investigation a joke.

The reason I think that there's something there is that they granted the guy guy who set up the whole sever operation immunity from prosecution.

You don't do that unless he's got something important to put on the record.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 9:11:34 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:

My point is that this talk of the GOP Establishment is way overblown. The Establishment is not some monolithic "they" out their pulling various strings. It's a bunch of people with varying interests, attitudes, and points of view, that sometimes manage to coalesce around mutually agreeable ideas.



Well, that's not what I see. I used to vote for candidates on both sides. But, not anymore. What I see from the republican party is a monolith with a strange worship of guns, that uses state governments as a vehicle to use the bible to openly persecute people, actively attempts to limit voting rights, has a head-in-the-sand view of immigration, and always chooses corporate profit over people and god's second greatest creation, Earth. It is quite depressing.

And Senate Bill 5 is a huge red flag with Kasich. He didn't say a word about it when campaigning. And then pulled out after being elected. And even after Ohioans said now way to it in huge numbers, he is looking to implement it piecemeal now.

Oh well. There are no moderates left anywhere anymore. And that is bad. Thanks for letting me rant. Now, back to sports....



A lot of truth there, 69.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 9:14:10 AM 
Read recently that there was a move at Princeton to remove Woodrow Wilson's name from their school of Public policy due to his views on race. It failed.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 9:37:04 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Read recently that there was a move at Princeton to remove Woodrow Wilson's name from their school of Public policy due to his views on race. It failed.


This issue got a lot of press out here.

My wife and I were at Princeton recently for a wrestling match.
From listening to some of the students it was only an issue for a small,but vocal, group or groups.

Princeton seems to have taken the position that you have to take into account the mindset of people at that time,not today.
They also felt that, any of what are now considered negative views, were more then offset by the positive things he accomplished.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 9:37:52 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:

My point is that this talk of the GOP Establishment is way overblown. The Establishment is not some monolithic "they" out their pulling various strings. It's a bunch of people with varying interests, attitudes, and points of view, that sometimes manage to coalesce around mutually agreeable ideas.



Well, that's not what I see. I used to vote for candidates on both sides. But, not anymore. What I see from the republican party is a monolith with a strange worship of guns, that uses state governments as a vehicle to use the bible to openly persecute people, actively attempts to limit voting rights, has a head-in-the-sand view of immigration, and always chooses corporate profit over people and god's second greatest creation, Earth. It is quite depressing.

And Senate Bill 5 is a huge red flag with Kasich. He didn't say a word about it when campaigning. And then pulled out after being elected. And even after Ohioans said now way to it in huge numbers, he is looking to implement it piecemeal now.

Oh well. There are no moderates left anywhere anymore. And that is bad. Thanks for letting me rant. Now, back to sports....



A lot of truth there, 69.



A lot of opinion, you mean. Not sure how you can claim "strange worship of guns" is anything but one man's opinion. But whatever.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 11:23:04 AM 
The set-the-record-straight-on-Wilson movement is not a flash in the pan kind of thing. It has been growing slowly for years, spurred mainly by African American academics, including many historians. The academy for years protected Wilson, because he was "one of their own." The bloom has come of that rose. IMHO, the man deserves to be treated as an historical figure in much the same way as we now view Richard Nixon -- a complex man, who did some good things, but who had a deeply flawed character.

Here's an interesting take by Ted Cruz, a Princeton alumnus, on the naming controversy: http://tinyurl.com/hwgp8o3 Personally, I would have gone a little farther than Cruz, but I understand the distinction he's trying to make.

To put Wilson in context, there were many presidents both before him and after him in his same general era who did NOT share his views on race. One sterling example, that most of you will probably find surprising, is Calvin Coolidge. As but one of many examples, see: http://tinyurl.com/j2qtgu3


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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 1:03:26 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:

My point is that this talk of the GOP Establishment is way overblown. The Establishment is not some monolithic "they" out their pulling various strings. It's a bunch of people with varying interests, attitudes, and points of view, that sometimes manage to coalesce around mutually agreeable ideas.



Well, that's not what I see. I used to vote for candidates on both sides. But, not anymore. What I see from the republican party is a monolith with a strange worship of guns, that uses state governments as a vehicle to use the bible to openly persecute people, actively attempts to limit voting rights, has a head-in-the-sand view of immigration, and always chooses corporate profit over people and god's second greatest creation, Earth. It is quite depressing.

And Senate Bill 5 is a huge red flag with Kasich. He didn't say a word about it when campaigning. And then pulled out after being elected. And even after Ohioans said now way to it in huge numbers, he is looking to implement it piecemeal now.

Oh well. There are no moderates left anywhere anymore. And that is bad. Thanks for letting me rant. Now, back to sports....



A lot of truth there, 69.



A lot of opinion, you mean. Not sure how you can claim "strange worship of guns" is anything but one man's opinion. But whatever.


Got to agree with 69 here especially the suppression of voting rights. The recent debacle in Wisconsin is a perfect example. As far as Cruz goes he's scarier than Trump. Cruz knows he's right, Trump just thinks he is.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 1:12:36 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:

My point is that this talk of the GOP Establishment is way overblown. The Establishment is not some monolithic "they" out their pulling various strings. It's a bunch of people with varying interests, attitudes, and points of view, that sometimes manage to coalesce around mutually agreeable ideas.



Well, that's not what I see. I used to vote for candidates on both sides. But, not anymore. What I see from the republican party is a monolith with a strange worship of guns, that uses state governments as a vehicle to use the bible to openly persecute people, actively attempts to limit voting rights, has a head-in-the-sand view of immigration, and always chooses corporate profit over people and god's second greatest creation, Earth. It is quite depressing.

And Senate Bill 5 is a huge red flag with Kasich. He didn't say a word about it when campaigning. And then pulled out after being elected. And even after Ohioans said now way to it in huge numbers, he is looking to implement it piecemeal now.

Oh well. There are no moderates left anywhere anymore. And that is bad. Thanks for letting me rant. Now, back to sports....



A lot of truth there, 69.



A lot of opinion, you mean. Not sure how you can claim "strange worship of guns" is anything but one man's opinion. But whatever.


Got to agree with 69 here especially the suppression of voting rights. The recent debacle in Wisconsin is a perfect example. As far as Cruz goes he's scarier than Trump. Cruz knows he's right, Trump just thinks he is.



I don't have a problem with anyone agreeing with 69. Or disagreeing. My contention is about fact vs opinion. Plenty of political opinions to go around.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 1:58:26 PM 
Plenty of his statements were fact. Guns - absolutely. Voting suppression - look at what happened in Wisconsin on Tuesday to college kids. The Bible - you need look no further than what has recently been signed into law in North Carolina and Mississippi. His other points are opinion.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 3:04:53 PM 
"Strange worship of guns": That's opinion, not fact. The right wants to uphold the 2nd Amendment. That's not "strange worship" except in the opinion of the left. If nothing else, "strange worship" is provocative language, in the extreme.

"...state governments as a vehicle to use the bible to openly persecute people": Again, that's opinion, not fact. I'm not entirely sure what he's referring to here, but in any event, it's a clear view from the left and as such, belongs in the category of opinion.

"...actively attempts to limit voting rights": You'll have to enlighten me on the Wisconsin reference from Tuesday. I've not kept up with the story. But I assume this is about voter ID laws wherein there is a clear distinction of thought on the issue, right and left. And again, both camps harbor an opinion on the matter, not fact.

"...head-in-the-sand view of immigration": Yet again, a clear view from the left, and clearly an opinion. Believing we have an immigration problem is not "head-in-the-sand." Believing we should review our border policies is not "head-in-the-sand." Unless you live on the left. Then it is.

"...always chooses corporate profit over people and god's second greatest creation, Earth": And with that, we've finalized the view from the Peoples Republic of the Left. To believe any of these views is FACT is to misunderstand the difference between fact and opinion.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 3:38:09 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
"Strange worship of guns": That's opinion, not fact. The right wants to uphold the 2nd Amendment. That's not "strange worship" except in the opinion of the left. If nothing else, "strange worship" is provocative language, in the extreme.

"...state governments as a vehicle to use the bible to openly persecute people": Again, that's opinion, not fact. I'm not entirely sure what he's referring to here, but in any event, it's a clear view from the left and as such, belongs in the category of opinion.

"...actively attempts to limit voting rights": You'll have to enlighten me on the Wisconsin reference from Tuesday. I've not kept up with the story. But I assume this is about voter ID laws wherein there is a clear distinction of thought on the issue, right and left. And again, both camps harbor an opinion on the matter, not fact.

"...head-in-the-sand view of immigration": Yet again, a clear view from the left, and clearly an opinion. Believing we have an immigration problem is not "head-in-the-sand." Believing we should review our border policies is not "head-in-the-sand." Unless you live on the left. Then it is.

"...always chooses corporate profit over people and god's second greatest creation, Earth": And with that, we've finalized the view from the Peoples Republic of the Left. To believe any of these views is FACT is to misunderstand the difference between fact and opinion.


I'll use my words not his;

Guns - is this really an important and defining issue on which the future of our society is dependent?

Religion - it both Mississippi and North Carolina it is now legal to deny services based on religious beliefs

Voting - one example - even though a student was on the voting rolls because he did not have an instate driver's license he could not vote. In Ohio he could. This is a clear example of suppressing the vote of a select group of voters - in this case, students who tend to vote Democratic.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 4:27:52 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:

I'll use my words not his;

Guns - is this really an important and defining issue on which the future of our society is dependent?

Religion - it both Mississippi and North Carolina it is now legal to deny services based on religious beliefs

Voting - one example - even though a student was on the voting rolls because he did not have an instate driver's license he could not vote. In Ohio he could. This is a clear example of suppressing the vote of a select group of voters - in this case, students who tend to vote Democratic.


Guns: That's a simple question with a complex answer. In some ways, the answer is yes. It goes to freedom. It goes to original intent. Both of which are again matters of opinion. However, I will say that any politician who blows off the importance of this issue does so at his own political peril.

Religion: That's another tricky question. Again it goes to freedom. Who decides what is moral? At what level of society is that absolute rule written? If a central government forces its version of morality upon its citizens, it runs the risk of chaos. I saw a related question just today on this: should a Jewish vendor be forced to serve a Nazi? The way I see it, reasonable people can disagree on the specifics of this overall question, but the key is respecting the disagreements without resorting to labeling your opposition.

Voting: I'm not up to speed on the story you cite, but why did he not have an in-state driver's license? Was he an out-of-state student? If so, don't you see the potential for fraud? Are you saying Ohio allows out-of-state students to vote in Athens?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 4:44:30 PM 
Here you go Robert.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/student-voting-gui...
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   Posted: 4/8/2016 8:58:13 PM 
Nothing more fun than to watch a Family Values Christian conservative, have to apologize to his family for porking the baby sitter, or currently in Tennessee where the Attorney General has removed a legislator's office from the statehouse because he can't keep his hands to himself or his mouth shut
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/8/2016 9:37:32 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Nothing more fun than to watch a Family Values Christian conservative, have to apologize to his family for porking the baby sitter, or currently in Tennessee where the Attorney General has removed a legislator's office from the statehouse because he can't keep his hands to himself or his mouth shut


I don't know what you're talking about. And I don't know how that fits this thread. You trying take a shot at me, "Billy"?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/9/2016 12:36:26 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Plenty of his statements were fact. Guns - absolutely. Voting suppression - look at what happened in Wisconsin on Tuesday to college kids. The Bible - you need look no further than what has recently been signed into law in North Carolina and Mississippi. His other points are opinion.


So, making a student show an instate ID is voter suppression these days? Tell that to the blacks in the Reconstruction South who dodged KKK bullets to vote. They'd laugh in your face!

And, if discrimination these days is telling people that they need to use the public restroom designated for their sex based on their genitalia and their DNA, then we have taken all meaning out of the phrase. I'm all for having compassion on people who have gender confusion, but the solution is not let men invade the women's restroom (or other way around, though that be the less frequent issue). Now, there are some rare conditions where folks are not XX (female) or XY (male) but XXY or XYY. These folks sometimes have ambiguous genitalia, but that's obviously not what the issue is here.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/9/2016 8:05:35 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Nothing more fun than to watch a Family Values Christian conservative, have to apologize to his family for porking the baby sitter, or currently in Tennessee where the Attorney General has removed a legislator's office from the statehouse because he can't keep his hands to himself or his mouth shut


I don't know what you're talking about. And I don't know how that fits this thread. You trying take a shot at me, "Billy"?


Only if you want it to be, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't quote you, name you, or even infer you. just reading this article, and it never fails how these guys tout their moral values on others while failing to keep their hands to themselves.

http://www.nashvillepost.com/politics/article/20493053/ha...


Oh and let's not forget Conservative stalwart Dennis Hastert? Up to 4 little boys now, and looking to get no more than 6 months.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/9/2016 8:13:21 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Plenty of his statements were fact. Guns - absolutely. Voting suppression - look at what happened in Wisconsin on Tuesday to college kids. The Bible - you need look no further than what has recently been signed into law in North Carolina and Mississippi. His other points are opinion.


So, making a student show an instate ID is voter suppression these days? Tell that to the blacks in the Reconstruction South who dodged KKK bullets to vote. They'd laugh in your face!

And, if discrimination these days is telling people that they need to use the public restroom designated for their sex based on their genitalia and their DNA, then we have taken all meaning out of the phrase. I'm all for having compassion on people who have gender confusion, but the solution is not let men invade the women's restroom (or other way around, though that be the less frequent issue). Now, there are some rare conditions where folks are not XX (female) or XY (male) but XXY or XYY. These folks sometimes have ambiguous genitalia, but that's obviously not what the issue is here.


For a guy who is so astute on history, you seem to often lack empathy for the groups who have been historically suppressed. And yes, requirining a photo ID is a burden, because by law I do not have to have a Government issued ID as a citizen of the US. If I do not drive, why have an ID?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Governor Kasich Faux Pas
   Posted: 4/9/2016 8:36:58 AM 
Not only is OCF known for being astute on history, but he's also known for being knowledgeable about the workings of our government.

So he should be aware that the NC general assembly convened a special session of both houses during a recess to draft and pass a bill that on the face of it is all about the "bathrooms," but what it also did was remove the right of any citizen to not be discriminated against due to their sexual orientation.

A state legislature was able w/in 18 hours to draft, approve, and have a bill signed into law. When has this ever happened, OCF? And then the governor signed the bill on the same day. They decided that a certain number of people in North Carolina are not protected against discrimination. They can be fired, thrown out of a restaurant, or refused service by anyone at any time because someone feels that they don't like their sexual orientation with NO protection under the law.

This bill, if I'm not mistaken, was passed after all Democrats walked out of the special session and was signed by a Republican governor. So much for being the party that is trying to be more inclusive.
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