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Later McLuhan: "The Medium is the Massage." If you truly understand the meaning of these statements, you will understand what is happening to print media today. From a cartoon in the New Yorker Magazine, 1966: "You see, Dad, Professor McLuhan says the environment that man creates becomes his medium for defining his role in it. The invention of type created linear, or sequential, thought, separating thought from action. Now, with TV and folk singing, thought and action are closer and social involvement is greater. We again live in a village. Get it?" Substitute "computers" for "folk singing" in this quote and you'll bring it up to date. McLuhan was a prophet not honored in his native land -- Canada -- or it's southern neighbor. J Just a little food for thought. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,706 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/19/2016 6:39:33 PM  SBH wrote: My father was a newspaper writer/editor. In 1979 - 1979, mind you - he urged me not to pursue a career in print journalism because market forces were destroying the profession. I thought he was nuts. As always, parents look a lot smarter after you grow up. Yes, by the late '70s big city afternoon dailies were in trouble. In Cleveland The News had already folded and the early '80s saw The Press go under. Boston, if I recall correctly, had 9 dailies. Now... http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/19/2016 8:02:28 PM  SBH wrote: My father was a newspaper writer/editor. In 1979 - 1979, mind you - he urged me not to pursue a career in print journalism because market forces were destroying the profession. I thought he was nuts. As always, parents look a lot smarter after you grow up. 1) Yeah. Remember that. 2) Which raises the question, get off my lawn. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/20/2016 11:48:03 AM  Ohio69 wrote: Now I have to click here, and click back, and click again. And mute whatever dumb video or commercial that pops up without me selecting it. Its not better....at all. Agreed. For me, the great hope is of developing a flexible computer screen. If you can buy an IPad that can be folded up like a very thick, sturdy newspaper and the news can be sent to it, you have the best of both worlds. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/20/2016 11:51:19 AM  I'll mourn the death of news that has been collected, contemplated, written, re-written, re-written again, edited, edited again and edited one more time. That had a dozen people with different sets of eyes, minds, experiences, sets of knowledge and biases all working to make it the best it could be. There was something almost religious about the process of sifting and buffing information until it was ready to be consumed, free from immediate passions or cliche. There's more great writing now than there has ever been. I truly believe that. It's just unsorted, unedited and rushed. We're losing something. I don't know what it leads to. We'll probably be just fine, if not a more impatient, less thoughtful bunch. But sometimes I'm not sure about that. I just know I'll miss the daily newspaper — and not for nostalgia's sake. I'll miss the feeling that I digested a little compendium of history every day and that that knowledge would build until it was something more important. When left to my own mouse and erratic pinball mind, I'll never find it all, all that information I took in when I'd buy a Detroit Free Press or Chicago Tribune or Wall Street Journal or New York Times or Washington Post or Toledo Blade as a kid. I'll never discipline myself to read about Asia or Africa or some small bit of information that will later serendipitously be wonderfully useful or even vital. I understand they are not viable. I understand that the concept of gatekeeping is smarmy and paternal and seemingly anachronistic when dealing with something that's supposed to be so freeing and light-shining as information, but we're jumping into an ocean of information and we don't know how deep it is or what kind of creatures live below the surface yet. Last Edited: 1/20/2016 11:55:26 AM by . Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/20/2016 12:02:18 PM  Brian Smith wrote: I'll mourn the death of news that has been collected, contemplated, written, re-written, re-written again, edited, edited again and edited one more time. That had a dozen people with different sets of eyes, minds, experiences, sets of knowledge and biases all working to make it the best it could be. There was something almost religious about the process of sifting and buffing information until it was ready to be consumed, free from immediate passions or cliche. There's more great writing now than there has ever been. I truly believe that. It's just unsorted, unedited and rushed. We're losing something. I don't know what it leads to. We'll probably be just fine, if not a more impatient, less thoughtful bunch. But sometimes I'm not sure about that. I just know I'll miss the daily newspaper — and not for nostalgia's sake. I'll miss the feeling that I digested a little compendium of history every day and that that knowledge would build until it was something more important. When left to my own mouse and erratic pinball mind, I'll never find it all, all that information I took in when I'd buy a Detroit Free Press or Chicago Tribune or Wall Street Journal or New York Times or Washington Post or Toledo Blade as a kid. I'll never discipline myself to read about Asia or Africa or some small bit of information that will later serendipitously be wonderfully useful or even vital. I understand they are not viable. I understand that the concept of gatekeeping is smarmy and paternal and seemingly anachronistic when dealing with something that's supposed to be so freeing and light-shining as information, but we're jumping into an ocean of information and we don't know how deep it is or what kind of creatures live below the surface yet. I see you edited this post once. I'm looking forward to the forthcoming re-writes and edits. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/20/2016 12:08:16 PM  Love reading about the industry when RJ , Brian Smith or others are contributing. Interesting and timely takes.... glad to see Brian read the Tribune rather than that rag I had to buy to read Royko. Good stuff. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/20/2016 2:55:32 PM  Well print media will always be around as long as people like this read them all. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 2,992 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/21/2016 10:31:15 AM  Brian Smith wrote: I'll mourn the death of news that has been collected, contemplated, written, re-written, re-written again, edited, edited again and edited one more time. That had a dozen people with different sets of eyes, minds, experiences, sets of knowledge and biases all working to make it the best it could be. There was something almost religious about the process of sifting and buffing information until it was ready to be consumed, free from immediate passions or cliche. There's more great writing now than there has ever been. I truly believe that. It's just unsorted, unedited and rushed. We're losing something. I don't know what it leads to. We'll probably be just fine, if not a more impatient, less thoughtful bunch. But sometimes I'm not sure about that. I just know I'll miss the daily newspaper — and not for nostalgia's sake. I'll miss the feeling that I digested a little compendium of history every day and that that knowledge would build until it was something more important. When left to my own mouse and erratic pinball mind, I'll never find it all, all that information I took in when I'd buy a Detroit Free Press or Chicago Tribune or Wall Street Journal or New York Times or Washington Post or Toledo Blade as a kid. I'll never discipline myself to read about Asia or Africa or some small bit of information that will later serendipitously be wonderfully useful or even vital. I understand they are not viable. I understand that the concept of gatekeeping is smarmy and paternal and seemingly anachronistic when dealing with something that's supposed to be so freeing and light-shining as information, but we're jumping into an ocean of information and we don't know how deep it is or what kind of creatures live below the surface yet. Brilliant. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/21/2016 4:07:30 PM  One of the problems of the Internet is that people think everything should be free. I don't know how many times I've seen people comment on Facebook posts from The Post that they hate the survey question they have to answer to read the stories. All it costs them is 15 seconds of their time and they think that is too much. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/21/2016 9:39:07 PM  Brian Smith wrote: I'll mourn the death of news that has been collected, contemplated, written, re-written, re-written again, edited, edited again and edited one more time. That had a dozen people with different sets of eyes, minds, experiences, sets of knowledge and biases all working to make it the best it could be. There was something almost religious about the process of sifting and buffing information until it was ready to be consumed, free from immediate passions or cliche. There's more great writing now than there has ever been. I truly believe that. It's just unsorted, unedited and rushed. We're losing something. I don't know what it leads to. We'll probably be just fine, if not a more impatient, less thoughtful bunch. But sometimes I'm not sure about that. I just know I'll miss the daily newspaper — and not for nostalgia's sake. I'll miss the feeling that I digested a little compendium of history every day and that that knowledge would build until it was something more important. When left to my own mouse and erratic pinball mind, I'll never find it all, all that information I took in when I'd buy a Detroit Free Press or Chicago Tribune or Wall Street Journal or New York Times or Washington Post or Toledo Blade as a kid. I'll never discipline myself to read about Asia or Africa or some small bit of information that will later serendipitously be wonderfully useful or even vital. I understand they are not viable. I understand that the concept of gatekeeping is smarmy and paternal and seemingly anachronistic when dealing with something that's supposed to be so freeing and light-shining as information, but we're jumping into an ocean of information and we don't know how deep it is or what kind of creatures live below the surface yet. Brian is among my favorite posters around here thanks to great insights like this. He touches on a lot of things in his post. I'll miss a lot of the same things he will, but I'd go farther than he does with respect to gatekeeping. Newsrooms have been hemorrhaging deeply experienced and well-trained professionals for years, and we're all poorer for it. We have more access to information than ever but no one to sift through it and fewer resources we trust to present it without an agenda. We're also suffocating a watchdog that protects and strengthens any democracy. Just about every paper in Ohio used to cover the statehouse, so we used to have dozens of reporters with different priorities and different viewpoints digging in to what their legislators were doing. Now all but a few rely on wire services, so there's a handful of reporters who only have time to cover major events. It's the same on the city level. I worked at small papers almost 20 years ago, but they had a reporter following the police scanner pretty much 24/7 and another reporter working the courts. Still another covered city council. That level of commitment is pretty much dead now. Sure, there are various forms of citizens journalism, but no one can get the same access and spend the same amount of time as a professional. Something bigger is being destroyed than an industry. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,022 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 10:46:06 AM  I've been in the yearbook business for 32 years and far prefer print media to digital. There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. When looking at a spread, you get a grasp of the whole culture - ads and all. On a screen, and with more and more people reading on hand held devices, you get the story you're reading and that's all. It's like looking at Mona Lisa's nose but not her entire face. I'll often read an article and then want to find it later to show to my wife or clip to show to a friend. The vast majority of the time I remember it's location by section and where it fell on the page/spread. Going forward, it's all about economics. I will say that $2.00 for USA Today is a waste of time though. It's like reading American Idol or one of those worthless reality TV shows. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 12:02:48 PM  Alan Swank wrote: I've been in the yearbook business for 32 years and far prefer print media to digital. There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. When looking at a spread, you get a grasp of the whole culture - ads and all. On a screen, and with more and more people reading on hand held devices, you get the story you're reading and that's all. It's like looking at Mona Lisa's nose but not her entire face. I'll often read an article and then want to find it later to show to my wife or clip to show to a friend. The vast majority of the time I remember it's location by section and where it fell on the page/spread. + infinity Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,034 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 12:23:23 PM  Alan Swank wrote: There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. Or, as Archie Bunker would suggest if he was still with us, it wouldn't be the same taking a tablet to the toilet to read the lastest news. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 12:27:11 PM  Alan Swank wrote: I've been in the yearbook business for 32 years and far prefer print media to digital. There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. When looking at a spread, you get a grasp of the whole culture - ads and all. On a screen, and with more and more people reading on hand held devices, you get the story you're reading and that's all. It's like looking at Mona Lisa's nose but not her entire face. I'll often read an article and then want to find it later to show to my wife or clip to show to a friend. The vast majority of the time I remember it's location by section and where it fell on the page/spread. Going forward, it's all about economics. I will say that $2.00 for USA Today is a waste of time though. It's like reading American Idol or one of those worthless reality TV shows. Good post, and I'll add that newspaper clips may be underrated. But how many households today are filled with newspaper clippings? Wedding announcements, death notices, Junior catching a TD pass to win the District. Many of these are framed and hanging on the living room wall, complete with masthead and date. It's a badge of legitimacy that a URL can never replace. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,022 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 1:23:44 PM  Robert Fox wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I've been in the yearbook business for 32 years and far prefer print media to digital. There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. When looking at a spread, you get a grasp of the whole culture - ads and all. On a screen, and with more and more people reading on hand held devices, you get the story you're reading and that's all. It's like looking at Mona Lisa's nose but not her entire face. I'll often read an article and then want to find it later to show to my wife or clip to show to a friend. The vast majority of the time I remember it's location by section and where it fell on the page/spread. Going forward, it's all about economics. I will say that $2.00 for USA Today is a waste of time though. It's like reading American Idol or one of those worthless reality TV shows. Good post, and I'll add that newspaper clips may be underrated. But how many households today are filled with newspaper clippings? Wedding announcements, death notices, Junior catching a TD pass to win the District. Many of these are framed and hanging on the living room wall, complete with masthead and date. It's a badge of legitimacy that a URL can never replace. When I'm teaching at yearbook workshops, I often pull this newspaper clipping out of my binder and read it to the students and advisers. It's a great story and example of capturing the essence of an individual. Enjoy the read - even if it is a digital link: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/obituaries/joseph-berg... Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 1:31:00 PM  That's great! That's the way an obit should be written. Thanks. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,043 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 4:56:06 PM  Great stuff on here abt newspapers. I agree that we are losing something with the demise of the print media. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 6:56:53 PM  Alan Swank wrote: I've been in the yearbook business for 32 years and far prefer print media to digital. There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. When looking at a spread, you get a grasp of the whole culture - ads and all. On a screen, and with more and more people reading on hand held devices, you get the story you're reading and that's all. It's like looking at Mona Lisa's nose but not her entire face. I'll often read an article and then want to find it later to show to my wife or clip to show to a friend. The vast majority of the time I remember it's location by section and where it fell on the page/spread. Going forward, it's all about economics. I will say that $2.00 for USA Today is a waste of time though. It's like reading American Idol or one of those worthless reality TV shows. Good points, I find myself being a narrow topic reader with digital content, with print, I read what is printed and hit ever section of the paper. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,706 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/22/2016 9:51:16 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I've been in the yearbook business for 32 years and far prefer print media to digital. There's something complete about sitting at the table or in a chair near the fireplace and devouring the whole paper. When looking at a spread, you get a grasp of the whole culture - ads and all. On a screen, and with more and more people reading on hand held devices, you get the story you're reading and that's all. It's like looking at Mona Lisa's nose but not her entire face. I'll often read an article and then want to find it later to show to my wife or clip to show to a friend. The vast majority of the time I remember it's location by section and where it fell on the page/spread. Going forward, it's all about economics. I will say that $2.00 for USA Today is a waste of time though. It's like reading American Idol or one of those worthless reality TV shows. Good points, I find myself being a narrow topic reader with digital content, with print, I read what is printed and hit ever section of the paper. As a self-described newspaper junkie, I confess to reading about a dozen comic strips. I used to feel a bit guilty about revealing that. Then years ago I read this from Supreme Court Chief Justice William Douglas. He said he started with the comics to get a smile or two to begin the day. Then he read the sports section because, although games include losers, it's the section where you can read about winners. Only after comics and sports did he read the news sections. Me? That's my way too, except that I save for last Editorial and Op-Ed pages. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/23/2016 12:21:03 AM  Mike, Douglas and Black -- now those were two justices who really understood and upheld the First Amendment. For that, they are top-drawer in my book! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/23/2016 12:22:51 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Mike, Douglas and Black -- now those were two justices who really understood and upheld the First Amendment. For that, they are top-drawer in my book! P.S. William Douglas was an associate justice; he was never chief that I can remember, unless he was acting chief briefly at some point due to a vacancy. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,706 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 1/23/2016 10:35:53 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Mike, Douglas and Black -- now those were two justices who really understood and upheld the First Amendment. For that, they are top-drawer in my book! P.S. William Douglas was an associate justice; he was never chief that I can remember, unless he was acting chief briefly at some point due to a vacancy. No doubt my leaky memory... http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Bitchy Incognito General User Member Since: 12/31/2015 Post Count: 36 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 2/24/2016 7:22:21 PM  A big potential problem going forward is that The Post has become crappier and crappier over the past several years to the point of near-irrelevancy. This doesn't portend well for a publication making a big transition that holds a lot of uncertainty. I know they're amateurs - nobody expects perfection from a student newspaper. But it's tough to watch what was for a long time a legitimate point of pride descend into being, in large measure, a semi-literate, directionless mess of politically correct scolding done in the absence of fact-checking or much grasp of how the world actually works. Way too many examples to list (fresh ones are printed five days a week), but here are a few quickies: -The Post reported that after OU tears down the old science building on President Street this Spring, it will have a new building for the business school completed on the site by August 2016. Actually, it's slated to become green space until COB raises funds. The Post's timetable doesn't pass the smell test, much less rudimentary fact-checking. -Some sports guy reported for them that OU's basketball victory over UConn in 1994 was one of the biggest wins in the Convo's history. The game was played in Hawaii. -Absurd emphasis on LGBT issues. Unquestioning, daily regurgitation of radical activists' beliefs. References to "vandalizing of the Black Lives Matter graffiti wall." Exactly when was it re-christened? Clearly, oh-so-clearly for those really paying attention, it's time for aspiring journalists to put down the social media and texting, boycott Netflix and read more books and do more face-to-face interviews outside their comfort zones. Unfortunately, the digital shift they're embarking on is likely to exacerbate the problems I've outlined. Don't expect much help from Scripps when Director Stewart flies a drone in his J-school class as some sort of pedagogical gimmick. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Its The End Of The Post As We Know It    Posted: 2/24/2016 11:20:52 PM  Bitchy, you make some good points. In response, let me ask this rhetorical question: How can they get out of their comfort zone, learn about the real world and develop the ability to ask hard-hitting questions when they are afraid to leave their safe space? The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. 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