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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Get off my lawn
   Posted: 5/8/2015 11:36:06 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I think having the university on fake semesters now, with that very early graduation time is going to mean these kind of turnouts will continue for May primaries.


Don't disagree OCF. However, if your boys in Columbus get their way, college students in Ohio will no longer be allowed to vote in their college town.


I would imagine the Democratic establishment in Athens would actually get behind this. I cannot think of something Paul Wiehl would love more than to have absolutely no accountability to students at Ohio University. Double fines for noise ordinance violations! Triple them! Make it a felony!


Guess I'm in the minority here.
Let me start out by saying that I pushed for the right for 18 year olds to vote when I was in high school and have voted in every general election since I turned 18.
I'm a registered independent so I can't vote in primaries.

Most students are in Athens for what,16 - 18 weeks a year,for 4-5 years.
Yes,I know people move all the time,but students have built in transiency.
To me,as a "part time" resdent you shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that can affect people for years after you've left Athens.
Yes vote,but vote in your home town.



Actually they would be on campus 28-30 weeks out of the year, but check the summer school numbers, those are about 40% stay for that as well, at least one summer session.
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Get off my lawn
   Posted: 5/8/2015 12:15:36 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
voter suppression: a strategy to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing people from exercising the right to vote.


Guess I wasn't clear.
How exactly are they supposedly doing that ?
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rpbobcat
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 12:26:47 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I think having the university on fake semesters now, with that very early graduation time is going to mean these kind of turnouts will continue for May primaries.


Don't disagree OCF. However, if your boys in Columbus get their way, college students in Ohio will no longer be allowed to vote in their college town.


I would imagine the Democratic establishment in Athens would actually get behind this. I cannot think of something Paul Wiehl would love more than to have absolutely no accountability to students at Ohio University. Double fines for noise ordinance violations! Triple them! Make it a felony!


Guess I'm in the minority here.
Let me start out by saying that I pushed for the right for 18 year olds to vote when I was in high school and have voted in every general election since I turned 18.
I'm a registered independent so I can't vote in primaries.

Most students are in Athens for what,16 - 18 weeks a year,for 4-5 years.
Yes,I know people move all the time,but students have built in transiency.
To me,as a "part time" resdent you shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that can affect people for years after you've left Athens.
Yes vote,but vote in your home town.



Actually they would be on campus 28-30 weeks out of the year, but check the summer school numbers, those are about 40% stay for that as well, at least one summer session.


Are you saying 40% of all students attend at least 1 summer session every year for every year they're at O.U. ?
That doesn't seem possible,especially given how businesses talk about how much their business drops off in the summer.
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OUs LONG Driver
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 12:47:52 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I think having the university on fake semesters now, with that very early graduation time is going to mean these kind of turnouts will continue for May primaries.


Don't disagree OCF. However, if your boys in Columbus get their way, college students in Ohio will no longer be allowed to vote in their college town.


I would imagine the Democratic establishment in Athens would actually get behind this. I cannot think of something Paul Wiehl would love more than to have absolutely no accountability to students at Ohio University. Double fines for noise ordinance violations! Triple them! Make it a felony!


Guess I'm in the minority here.
Let me start out by saying that I pushed for the right for 18 year olds to vote when I was in high school and have voted in every general election since I turned 18.
I'm a registered independent so I can't vote in primaries.

Most students are in Athens for what,16 - 18 weeks a year,for 4-5 years.
Yes,I know people move all the time,but students have built in transiency.
To me,as a "part time" resdent you shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that can affect people for years after you've left Athens.
Yes vote,but vote in your home town.



Actually they would be on campus 28-30 weeks out of the year, but check the summer school numbers, those are about 40% stay for that as well, at least one summer session.


Are you saying 40% of all students attend at least 1 summer session every year for every year they're at O.U. ?
That doesn't seem possible,especially given how businesses talk about how much their business drops off in the summer.




I'd say that's entirely possible. The older the student the more likely they stay on campus longer during the year. My senior year and 2 years of grad school I lived full time in Athens. I also did not attend class during that time but rather worked instead or worked on my grad school project. When considering those that stay and don't attend class 40% is easily achievable.
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bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 1:19:28 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
voter suppression: a strategy to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing people from exercising the right to vote.


Guess I wasn't clear.
How exactly are they supposedly doing that ?



Boy, I get the feeling I'm being reeled into something here. Obviously, you don't believe in voter suppression.

On my short lunch break now - I'll get back with this later.
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rpbobcat
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 1:58:34 PM 
OUs LONG Driver wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I think having the university on fake semesters now, with that very early graduation time is going to mean these kind of turnouts will continue for May primaries.


Don't disagree OCF. However, if your boys in Columbus get their way, college students in Ohio will no longer be allowed to vote in their college town.


I would imagine the Democratic establishment in Athens would actually get behind this. I cannot think of something Paul Wiehl would love more than to have absolutely no accountability to students at Ohio University. Double fines for noise ordinance violations! Triple them! Make it a felony!


Guess I'm in the minority here.
Let me start out by saying that I pushed for the right for 18 year olds to vote when I was in high school and have voted in every general election since I turned 18.
I'm a registered independent so I can't vote in primaries.

Most students are in Athens for what,16 - 18 weeks a year,for 4-5 years.
Yes,I know people move all the time,but students have built in transiency.
To me,as a "part time" resdent you shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that can affect people for years after you've left Athens.
Yes vote,but vote in your home town.



Actually they would be on campus 28-30 weeks out of the year, but check the summer school numbers, those are about 40% stay for that as well, at least one summer session.


Are you saying 40% of all students attend at least 1 summer session every year for every year they're at O.U. ?
That doesn't seem possible,especially given how businesses talk about how much their business drops off in the summer.




I'd say that's entirely possible. The older the student the more likely they stay on campus longer during the year. My senior year and 2 years of grad school I lived full time in Athens. I also did not attend class during that time but rather worked instead or worked on my grad school project. When considering those that stay and don't attend class 40% is easily achievable.

Whenever I've visited Athens in the summer,it was kind of a ghost town.
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Get off my lawn
   Posted: 5/8/2015 2:05:20 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
voter suppression: a strategy to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing people from exercising the right to vote.


Guess I wasn't clear.
How exactly are they supposedly doing that ?



Boy, I get the feeling I'm being reeled into something here. Obviously, you don't believe in voter suppression.

On my short lunch break now - I'll get back with this later.


I'm not "reeling into" you at all.
Its just "Voter Supression" means different things to different people and it has become a "catch phrase",especially for any measure that could be considered as fighting voter fraud.

To me its things like a Poll Tax or the people in Philly who were physically intimidating voters.
I would also think that if the Ohio Legislatre was doing this it would be challenged in the courts.
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SBH
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 5:20:28 PM 
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 6:47:21 PM 
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



Yep - vote early and vote often. Other than Chicago 75 years ago and the district that first elected LBJ, this is pretty much an urban myth. Unfortunately, apathy is the biggest problem when it comes to voting today. Go look in the bathroom mirror and ask yourself, did I vote this past Tuesday. Way too many folks answering no for me.
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RSBobcat
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   Posted: 5/8/2015 10:11:19 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



Yep - vote early and vote often. Other than Chicago 75 years ago and the district that first elected LBJ, this is pretty much an urban myth. Unfortunately, apathy is the biggest problem when it comes to voting today. Go look in the bathroom mirror and ask yourself, did I vote this past Tuesday. Way too many folks answering no for me.


Way too many would answer no to if they EVER voted. "Apathy" is an issue - why do you think it exists? Is the real issue "apathy" or "disillusion/disconnetion"? I think the biggest issue is we make it far more difficult to participate (AKA "vote") then it should be in this day and internet/mobile devices age ......and I point my finger at "conservatives" (by definition)

Last Edited: 5/8/2015 10:12:03 PM by RSBobcat

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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 5/9/2015 9:35:49 AM 
RSBobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



Yep - vote early and vote often. Other than Chicago 75 years ago and the district that first elected LBJ, this is pretty much an urban myth. Unfortunately, apathy is the biggest problem when it comes to voting today. Go look in the bathroom mirror and ask yourself, did I vote this past Tuesday. Way too many folks answering no for me.


Way too many would answer no to if they EVER voted. "Apathy" is an issue - why do you think it exists? Is the real issue "apathy" or "disillusion/disconnetion"? I think the biggest issue is we make it far more difficult to participate (AKA "vote") then it should be in this day and internet/mobile devices age ......and I point my finger at "conservatives" (by definition)


On the national or even state stage perhaps - disillusionment/disconnection - but on the local level every vote can truly make a difference plus we don't have the extremism that you see at the state and national level. As for the ease of voting, you drive, walk or bike to your local polling place, you show some sort of identification (the list of acceptable forms is rather long) and you vote. It doesn't get much easier than that.
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rpbobcat
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   Posted: 5/9/2015 10:28:18 AM 
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



First off,I would like to know how anyone can determine if voter fraud is wide spread or not.

I also don't think that its too much to ask that voters show the same type of I.D. you need to cash a check or get on a plane.
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cc-cat
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   Posted: 5/9/2015 10:49:20 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



First off,I would like to know how anyone can determine if voter fraud is wide spread or not.

I also don't think that its too much to ask that voters show the same type of I.D. you need to cash a check or get on a plane.


One challenge is I Do work in a very small and poor county in NC. There are scores of elderly folks that I know that were born on a farm. So no birth certificate. Do not drive so have no license. Will never get on a plane and simple cash a check by going to the bank because the know Ms. Regina.

And wouldn't have a spare dollar to put towards proving who they are.

But since voter fraud is so hard to presume, let's by all means assume it is rampant and institute rules and conditions that make millions have to take additional steps to vote. In NC it is estimated that over 600,009 citizens are going to be impeded from new viring laws / that are being challenged in courts - so far unsuccessfully

Last Edited: 5/9/2015 12:13:05 PM by cc-cat
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akroncat
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   Posted: 5/9/2015 3:43:52 PM 
I don't believe that there is much voter fraud, however, the ID argument is just BS. I do charity work in Akron and visit the poorest of the poor. To get any assistance at all you need a valid ID. This includes food stamps, assisted housing, utility programs and any other. You can't go to a doctor or any medical facility without proper ID. The Democrats just use this as a smoke screen because they can't get these people out to vote. Yes, there are probably people without ID, about the same number as those who commit voter fraud. Both sides just keep using these issues to incite their bases.

Last Edited: 5/9/2015 3:46:19 PM by akroncat
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   Posted: 5/9/2015 4:52:43 PM 
Intersting. In NC you do not need a photo ID for SNAP etc. college IDs are also not accepted. Which is ridiculous.

On another front. Not sure why when an 18 registers fior the draft why are they not immediateky also registered to vote. That is embarrassing.
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BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 5/9/2015 9:21:31 PM 
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



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The Optimist
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   Posted: 5/10/2015 8:05:01 AM 
Personally, I lived in Athens in the summer between my Junior and Senior years and spent greater than 50% of the year total in Athens every year (on quarters)
I don't really understand the logic in thinking you should not vote where you live.

Further, how the heck would do enforce a law that you can't vote in a town you go into college? You can't vote if you don't own property? Hasn't that been tried before... (sarcasm) Seems to me every possible law you have trying to get college students away from voting in that town would have widespread ramifications for people other than college students or at least massive loopholes that would allow college students to vote pretty much where they please...

Last Edited: 5/10/2015 8:11:58 AM by The Optimist

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   Posted: 5/11/2015 6:50:17 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



First off,I would like to know how anyone can determine if voter fraud is wide spread or not.

I also don't think that its too much to ask that voters show the same type of I.D. you need to cash a check or get on a plane.


One challenge is I Do work in a very small and poor county in NC. There are scores of elderly folks that I know that were born on a farm. So no birth certificate. Do not drive so have no license. Will never get on a plane and simple cash a check by going to the bank because the know Ms. Regina.

And wouldn't have a spare dollar to put towards proving who they are.

But since voter fraud is so hard to presume, let's by all means assume it is rampant and institute rules and conditions that make millions have to take additional steps to vote. In NC it is estimated that over 600,009 citizens are going to be impeded from new viring laws / that are being challenged in courts - so far unsuccessfully


How do you register to vote without some type of identification ?
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   Posted: 5/11/2015 8:58:02 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yes, that widespread voter fraud that so many people like to talk about but which simply does not exist.



First off,I would like to know how anyone can determine if voter fraud is wide spread or not.

I also don't think that its too much to ask that voters show the same type of I.D. you need to cash a check or get on a plane.


One challenge is I Do work in a very small and poor county in NC. There are scores of elderly folks that I know that were born on a farm. So no birth certificate. Do not drive so have no license. Will never get on a plane and simple cash a check by going to the bank because the know Ms. Regina.

And wouldn't have a spare dollar to put towards proving who they are.

But since voter fraud is so hard to presume, let's by all means assume it is rampant and institute rules and conditions that make millions have to take additional steps to vote. In NC it is estimated that over 600,009 citizens are going to be impeded from new viring laws / that are being challenged in courts - so far unsuccessfully


How do you register to vote without some type of identification ?


Does not need to be photo ID. Just like with registering for draft you do not need photo ID.
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   Posted: 5/11/2015 10:35:12 AM 
To say that requiring an ID to vote is "voter suppression" is just totally ridiculous. If you care enough to vote you'll have the proper identification. You folks need a little history lesson. Voter suppression has occurred in this country, and it was ugly. After the Civil War in the South you had the KKK using bullets to keep blacks from the polls. Many had the great courage to vote anyway, and defy the racist intimidators. Imagine what these brave black voters of yesteryear would think if someone told them it was voter suppression to require an ID to vote. They'd laugh in your face.

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   Posted: 5/11/2015 11:06:24 AM 
Actually, since blacks back in the day did not have IDs it would have been a highly successful effort to suppress votes (just as the literacy test was). So I doubt they would laugh.

I have no problem with IDs as long as: gaining an ID is 100% free, it can be attained at any post office, police station, high school or college (DMV locations are getting to be few and far between). If someone does not have the proper paperwork needed (e.g., birth certificate, SS card, etc.) then a local citizen with a proper ID can vouch for them.

Additionally, every high school student should be able to walk into their school office and register on their 18th birthday. And any 18 year old that registers for the draft is automatically registered to vote. And finally, college students can use their college ID and vote in the town of their college.

Last Edited: 5/11/2015 11:07:40 AM by cc-cat
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   Posted: 5/11/2015 1:08:04 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
To say that requiring an ID to vote is "voter suppression" is just totally ridiculous. If you care enough to vote you'll have the proper identification. You folks need a little history lesson. Voter suppression has occurred in this country, and it was ugly. After the Civil War in the South you had the KKK using bullets to keep blacks from the polls. Many had the great courage to vote anyway, and defy the racist intimidators. Imagine what these brave black voters of yesteryear would think if someone told them it was voter suppression to require an ID to vote. They'd laugh in your face.


Says the middle-class (I assume) white man.

Sounds like the same stock answers I get from Jay Hottinger when asked about what he and his boys are doing in Columbus.

Last Edited: 5/11/2015 1:09:02 PM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 5/11/2015 1:41:32 PM 
I have never understand why a college ID is not an acceptable form of ID at the voting polls. I recall a few years back walking back from class through (new) Baker I tried to use my Ohio Univeristy ID to vote and learned that while it was an ID issued by the government it was not good enough for me to vote. Had to walk all the way back to Treudley Hall (3rd floor mind you) and retrieve my driver's license so I could vote.

Seems like a pointless over-complication to me. Mindless government regulations...

If you want some real identification fraud check out all the ID's being used uptown in the evening...

Last Edited: 5/11/2015 1:43:35 PM by The Optimist

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   Posted: 5/11/2015 1:56:01 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
To say that requiring an ID to vote is "voter suppression" is just totally ridiculous. If you care enough to vote you'll have the proper identification. You folks need a little history lesson. Voter suppression has occurred in this country, and it was ugly. After the Civil War in the South you had the KKK using bullets to keep blacks from the polls. Many had the great courage to vote anyway, and defy the racist intimidators. Imagine what these brave black voters of yesteryear would think if someone told them it was voter suppression to require an ID to vote. They'd laugh in your face.


Says the middle-class (I assume) white man.

Sounds like the same stock answers I get from Jay Hottinger when asked about what he and his boys are doing in Columbus.



+1!!!!!!

11% of voters do not have an ID (this is just voters, not counting all people of voting age), and that number is heavy in the minority and elderly.
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   Posted: 5/11/2015 1:57:00 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
Actually, since blacks back in the day did not have IDs it would have been a highly successful effort to suppress votes (just as the literacy test was). So I doubt they would laugh.

I have no problem with IDs as long as: gaining an ID is 100% free, it can be attained at any post office, police station, high school or college (DMV locations are getting to be few and far between). If someone does not have the proper paperwork needed (e.g., birth certificate, SS card, etc.) then a local citizen with a proper ID can vouch for them.

Additionally, every high school student should be able to walk into their school office and register on their 18th birthday. And any 18 year old that registers for the draft is automatically registered to vote. And finally, college students can use their college ID and vote in the town of their college.



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