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Topic: RE: Student Senate

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mcbin
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 8/30/2014 11:23:06 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

.....Regardless, it's fun to watch an activist group of students even if they are young and naive. Sometimes the locks on city hall need to be rattled a bit.....

Get your popcorn ready. These kids seem to be bent on "sticking it to the man" this year.

This in a way reminds me of the tOSU band 'scandal'. Much ado, not about nothing, but far less than the attention it's getting.

And those 'supporters' that think they're doing right for the university by standing up to administration, promoting the discourse, are effectively just dragging their university they love through the mud on TV/newspaper.

Alan Swank
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 8/30/2014 11:33:46 AM

mcbin wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

.....Regardless, it's fun to watch an activist group of students even if they are young and naive. Sometimes the locks on city hall need to be rattled a bit.....

Get your popcorn ready. These kids seem to be bent on "sticking it to the man" this year.

Interesting statement Ben - I'm not sure how promoting discourse can be such a bad thing in fact it's because we don't have very much intelligent discourse today that we have become such a polarized society. Folks just don't know how to discuss an issue any more without yelling at each other and calling each other names.

SBH
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/4/2014 12:40:47 PM

The Student Senate president is an idiot, and thank goodness the administration prevented her from speaking at the freshmen convocation. Witness her inane "bucket challenge" yesterday, in which she poured red liquid over her head in protest of the university's "support" of Israeli actions in Gaza. Whatever. The funniest part of her little speech was her claim that Ohio University is "complacent" in Israeli actions. I think she probably meant "complicit." What a tool.

Last Edited: 9/4/2014 2:53:18 PM by SBH

JSF
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/4/2014 3:10:13 PM

If only she were as worldly and mature as you.

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SBH
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/4/2014 3:59:17 PM

Sorry, Church Lady, but when you pour a bucket of "blood" over your head and use your status as Student Senare president to make unfounded accusations against an institution, it behooves you to be careful with your language..and to know the difference between complacent and complicit. She's a clown....and you used to wear a clown wig, no?

Ohio69
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/4/2014 4:36:09 PM

Wow. What a mistake by her.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

Alan Swank
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/4/2014 5:58:41 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Wow. What a mistake by her.

Having now read both the Post story and the ANews story, I'd have to agree. With a previously scheduled private meeting coming up with McDavis on Friday and facing an ALS ice bucket challenge from him too, she sure wasted any political capital that she had. I had high hopes that this group would be able to address some of the issues facing students today but she may have lost all but the radical fringe with this stunt. It will be interesting to see if there is a recall effort started by those who claim to be offended by her actions.

JSF
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/5/2014 12:02:58 AM

SBH wrote:

Sick burns, bro. But if you're going to claim superiority over the Student Senare president, ad-homs are a bad look. The accusations you can disagree with, but I wouldn't call them baseless; OU has a pretty long-standing relationship with Israel and it's at least arguable it plays some tiny role (or at least looks bad) in the conflict over there. Maybe she slipped and said "complacent" when she meant "complicit." Maybe she doesn't know the difference. Maybe she meant what she said and simply took it in a different direction than you thought she would. But right now your argument is pretty weak. Either up your game or continue to bring up incidents from three decades ago as reasons why beer shouldn't be sold in Peden.

BillyTheCat
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/5/2014 11:38:36 AM

The Universities relationship with Israel has NO bearing on anything with their foreign policy. Her actions were misguided, and her personal speech will directly effect any and all credibility she has within the University structure.

Please disregard any spelling or grammatical errors in this post, as I did not have the pleasure of having to retake my college English classes in order to graduate.

catfan28
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/6/2014 11:02:22 AM

To be fair, I could make an argument that complacent or complicit would both fit in that sentence. She could mean complacent in that OU is satisfied with the status quo regarding their Israeli relations, and isn't willing to consider another course of action. Complicit almost has the connotation of illegal dealings...somewhat like collusion. While she doesn't agree with our actions, I'm not sure she's going so far as to say that we are actively colluding with the Israeli government. That would be a very big leap without evidence.

IMO, I think complacent is what she meant to say and does fit in the syntax of the sentence.

Still, it wasn't the best decision to hijack the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge. It means a lot to those who have lost someone to ALS and probably wasn't the best venue to expound her feelings on the Israeli conflict.

catfan28
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/6/2014 11:11:33 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

I keep coming back to this and still fail to see the logic in your argument. The convocation was for incoming students - the student senate president is the elected representative of those students - in the past the president has spoken at this convocation - the current president asked to speak and was denied. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

As for the AD speaking at graduation, there is no logical connection there at all. Regardless, it's fun to watch an activist group of students even if they are young and naive. Sometimes the locks on city hall need to be rattled a bit.

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-43089-student-senate-leaders-plan-to-steer-new-course-this-year.html

Back to this, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. But my understanding is the Senate president hasn't spoken at the Convocation for at least 10+ years. During that time, pretty much all of the Senate presidents have been complete administration lapdogs...but still, they didn't have a speaking role!! So the fact that the new Senate president doesn't have a speaking role doesn't bother me - it's not like they stripped away something that Megan was entitled to. If that was the case, my take on this would be very different.

With my analogy, if you think about it, it really is the same thing. If Schaus, or some other university official that has never spoken at graduation, asked to speak there...they likely would be denied. There isn't a precedent for them to speak. Likewise, there is not a precedent for the Senate president to speak at this Convocation. Hence, doesn't really strike me as much of a news story when things go as they have for 10+ years.

ts1227
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/6/2014 8:14:29 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

mcbin wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

.....Regardless, it's fun to watch an activist group of students even if they are young and naive. Sometimes the locks on city hall need to be rattled a bit.....

Get your popcorn ready. These kids seem to be bent on "sticking it to the man" this year.

I don't think there would be anything wrong, or even detrimental, with standing up to the administration if it were civil discourse. It would be published, but if it were productive it wouldn't really drag anyone through the mud (and frankly, would draw little attention as it would be "boring" news)

However, as mentioned before, we went straight from administrative sheep to one step from anarchists. Their goal is to say "down" every time the administration says "up", and nothing else. McDavis could say the sky was blue and they'd turn it into something anti-administration, or address a completely unrelated issue that only exists in their minds.

Student Senate was barely relevant to begin with, but this year may be the kill shot.

Alan Swank
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/6/2014 9:42:28 PM

ts1227 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

mcbin wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

.....Regardless, it's fun to watch an activist group of students even if they are young and naive. Sometimes the locks on city hall need to be rattled a bit.....

Get your popcorn ready. These kids seem to be bent on "sticking it to the man" this year.

The

I don't think there would be anything wrong, or even detrimental, with standing up to the administration if it were civil discourse. It would be published, but if it were productive it wouldn't really drag anyone through the mud (and frankly, would draw little attention as it would be "boring" news)

However, as mentioned before, we went straight from administrative sheep to one step from anarchists. Their goal is to say "down" every time the administration says "up", and nothing else. McDavis could say the sky was blue and they'd turn it into something anti-administration, or address a completely unrelated issue that only exists in their minds.

Student Senate was barely relevant to begin with, but this year may be the kill shot.

The posts you quote were before this most recent "senate" action so therefore they are pretty irrelevant as of the infamous video release.

ts1227
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/6/2014 10:53:04 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

The posts you quote were before this most recent "senate" action so therefore they are pretty irrelevant as of the infamous video release.

To an extent. That agenda has been pretty clear since day 1, they just finally did something stupid. It was a matter of time.

Alan Swank
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 9/11/2014 10:35:25 AM

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-43183-debate-over-...

Last Edited: 9/11/2014 10:36:01 AM by Alan Swank

rpbobcat
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 10/8/2014 11:55:00 AM

There's an article in Today's (10/8/14) about the agenda for tonight's Student Senate.

Their proposed resolutions on a minimum wage increase,tuition freeze,administration wages etc. are innocuous,since the Senate has,based on previous posts to this thread,no real "power".

What I find disturbing is their intention to suspend "Robert's Rules of Order".

I don't know of any Government entity in N.J. that doesn't use them.

When I was at O.U. I was a member of our Dorm Council.
Our meetings followed "Robert's Rules".

I find the justification for suspending them (students don't know about them)
disturbing.

I had never heard of them till I was elected to the Dorm Council.What did I do,I sat down and read through them and took a copy to every meeting.

Maybe we should do the same thing with the U.S. Constitution,since I doubt a lot of people have read it.

I would also like to know what the Student Senate intends to use in their place.For some reason I doubt they will be adopting Cushing's Manual,which is the only other parliamentary rules I know of.

UpSan Bobcat
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 10/8/2014 11:46:05 PM

If they made realistic suggestions, maybe they'd get some consideration. They want to raise student worker minimum wage to $15/hour. They want no tuition increases and no pay increases for anyone who makes $200,000 or more.

Ohio69
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 10/9/2014 12:23:52 PM

Why speak when Richard Vedder does it for you:

http://www.thepostathens.com/news/article_c77b22b2-4f80-1...

Some strong words from Dr. Vedder. I'm sure they'll be ignored by the students.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

OhioCatFan
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 10/10/2014 1:13:30 AM

Vedder is softening on athletics:

�But I will say this, that you can�t get a good football coach or basketball coach if you say their pay never can rise."

Sort of conciliatory compared to the statements he was making a few years ago. Such is progress in the hallowed halls of the Harvard on the Hocking.

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ts1227
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 1/23/2015 12:44:20 PM

I see the Post has regressed back in to only covering anti-administration protests again (which is basically Student Senate this year), you'd swear the campus didn't exist otherwise.

Of course it's not surprising, Will Klatt is back on campus and when he was there before he managed to commandeer the publication and rebrand it as "anarchy today" then as well.

I'm not not saying some of their gripes aren't without merit (I think I stated my opinion of the BOT being somewhat shut off from constituencies earlier in this thread, catching a bit of grief from Mr. Brightbill), but to say the protesters are a bit over the top is a big understatement.

Last Edited: 1/23/2015 12:45:08 PM by ts1227

JSF
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 1/23/2015 10:00:04 PM

ts1227 wrote:

Of course it's not surprising, Will Klatt is back on campus and when he was there before he managed to commandeer the publication and rebrand it as "anarchy today" then as well.

Did you fall and hit your head?

ts1227
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 1/23/2015 11:56:58 PM

JSF wrote:

ts1227 wrote:

Of course it's not surprising, Will Klatt is back on campus and when he was there before he managed to commandeer the publication and rebrand it as "anarchy today" then as well.

Did you fall and hit your head?

Ha, no. I am assuming you're suggesting it's nothing new, so it's not exactly surprising. but when he's around it's a completely different beast. It goes from a general slant to a dedicated newsletter against everything and anything when he gets in their ears. I thought it had been much better on actually functioning as a useful newspaper the past few years.

JSF
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 1/24/2015 8:46:07 AM

No, I'm saying you're wrong. When he first hit the scene, the people there didn't really care about him or what he was saying; he was covered because he was interesting and attracted readers.

Alan Swank
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 1/24/2015 9:52:52 AM

A bit dated but a little background information:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2007/06/27/...

rpbobcat
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RE: Student Senate

Posted: 1/26/2015 7:06:54 AM

ts1227 wrote:

I see the Post has regressed back in to only covering anti-administration protests again (which is basically Student Senate this year), you'd swear the campus didn't exist otherwise.

I found the picture on the front page of Friday's paper interesting.
Normally papers try to get a crowd shot from overhead so you can see its size.

This one was shot head on.They seemed to be trying to make the number of participants appear larger then it actually was.

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