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Topic:  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/13/2021 3:26:03 PM 
lovebobcat wrote:
cincybobcat99 wrote:
Just one man’s opinion:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/blogs/daugherty-b... /


I heard some podcasters (local journalists) here in Cincinnati also mentioning Boals as a possible candidate, though they seemed to think Gates checked the most boxes.

Can we put a rush on a contract extension/raise for Boals?


Hate to be a cynic,but based on past situations at O.U., and other schools,
if a coach wants to leave,all a contract extension and raise does,is increase the amount of the buy out.
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   Posted: 4/13/2021 3:45:15 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
This is the first open job this year that worries me as it relates to Boals.

A superior league, good history and facilities, last coach making 1.5 million annually -- basically a 3x raise on Boals' 581k, in a region Boals has recruited for a 15 years.


Taking a coach like Boals from the MAC, would be beneath the level of their program as they see it.


As a fan of (my Dad's) Bearcats, and an alumnus of Ohio, I kind of agree in a way, and disagree in others. I sure as hell hope Boals doesn't go there this year.

I think the UC job is a top 50-60 job in the country. Fans expecting to be able to hire a coach of a very high caliber is understandable. While I think Boals could do really well there, I can see the perspective of fans who might say he hasn't yet done enough as a head coach.

From my point of view the AD Cunningham has made a mess of this situation, and will be under intense scrutiny if he screws up this hire.


EDIT: Several sources are reporting that UNCG's Wes Miller is likely to be the guy at UC.

Last Edited: 4/14/2021 5:10:57 PM by OU_Country
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/14/2021 5:18:02 PM 
The old heads in town won't like it (muh van Exel), but he was the name that came up a lot for the UNC job.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/14/2021 6:50:26 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Maybe they are. Still, it’s hypocritical and I’ll never understand it or support it.


Don't see how it's hypocritical. They can spend their money any way they want to. I guess you are saying people shouldn't have that freedom.
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   Posted: 4/14/2021 8:04:39 PM 
Wes Miller is getting the gig.
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   Posted: 4/14/2021 9:39:18 PM 
ohio9704 wrote:
Wes Miller is getting the gig.


nice hire. UNC was his dream job. With that gone - time to move on from UNC-G
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   Posted: 4/15/2021 8:38:41 AM 
shabamon wrote:
The old heads in town won't like it (muh van Exel), but he was the name that came up a lot for the UNC job.



cc-cat wrote:
ohio9704 wrote:
Wes Miller is getting the gig.


nice hire. UNC was his dream job. With that gone - time to move on from UNC-G


I think it's a nice hire as well. Frankly, I think it's the best case scenario they could have asked for given the situation. They reportedly can't afford John's buyout, much less buying out another name coach's big buyout somewhere. He's built a program from nothing, and there are a dozen people within college basketball stating this was a great hire. And those dozen aren't all from the same line of work, and same place -- i.e. coaches, administrators, players, broadcasters have all weighed in with positives.

Also, for Cincy fans who like pressure defense (raises hand), that's something they were known for at UNCG according to what I've read.

Lastly, for the fans who are mentally stuck on hiring a former player: tough cookies. There aren't any former players that are ready to walk in and take the job - especially in a situation like this one where only four players remain committed or enrolled. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why on earth so many people are hell bent on requiring a former player as though that's always the best choice. Yes, it has worked out well here so far, but it doesn't everywhere, and the idea of hiring a "Cincinnati guy" solely for the sake of hiring one of your own is ludicrous, and a recipe for losing if you ask me.

Maybe Erik Martin was "ready". Maybe not. I lean towards maybe not. I don't view a guy who has been an assistant at the same place for fourteen years as a guy that's ready to move up the ladder and be a bigger basketball program's next head coach. To me, that guy should have taken the Boals-eque path and gone off the comfort zone of the bench next to the established head coach to become something bigger elsewhere first. From what little I understand, Erik Martin isn't even Huggy Bear's #1 assistant, and that says to me that he's probably not ready.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/15/2021 12:56:38 PM 
Big Willy wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Maybe they are. Still, it’s hypocritical and I’ll never understand it or support it.


Don't see how it's hypocritical. They can spend their money any way they want to. I guess you are saying people shouldn't have that freedom.



Maybe you can justify a non profit institution buying out a coach, when athletics isn’t the core mission of the university, for 5 million dollars. I can’t and won’t. Why? He didn’t win enough games? Please justify it more than the old saying “ why does a dog lick his own blank? Because he can.”

Last Edited: 4/15/2021 12:57:20 PM by giacomo
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/15/2021 1:58:52 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Big Willy wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Maybe they are. Still, it’s hypocritical and I’ll never understand it or support it.


Don't see how it's hypocritical. They can spend their money any way they want to. I guess you are saying people shouldn't have that freedom.



Maybe you can justify a non profit institution buying out a coach, when athletics isn’t the core mission of the university, for 5 million dollars. I can’t and won’t. Why? He didn’t win enough games? Please justify it more than the old saying “ why does a dog lick his own blank? Because he can.”


If he could justify it on its own merits, he would have. The fact that the argument he feels he can win is about whether or not UC has the "freedom to do this" says all you need to know.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/16/2021 11:50:49 AM 
As Elmer Fudd would say “twue”.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to....Cincinnati
   Posted: 4/16/2021 2:27:36 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Big Willy wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Maybe they are. Still, it’s hypocritical and I’ll never understand it or support it.


Don't see how it's hypocritical. They can spend their money any way they want to. I guess you are saying people shouldn't have that freedom.



Maybe you can justify a non profit institution buying out a coach, when athletics isn’t the core mission of the university, for 5 million dollars. I can’t and won’t. Why? He didn’t win enough games? Please justify it more than the old saying “ why does a dog lick his own blank? Because he can.”


If he could justify it on its own merits, he would have. The fact that the argument he feels he can win is about whether or not UC has the "freedom to do this" says all you need to know.


You guys are missing the point. Who said that the non-profit institution bought out the coach? I suggested the buyout could have been financed by some wealthy donors and you agreed, but said it was hypocritical. Still don't see how that's hypocritical. I didn't say UC had the freedom to do this (even though they do). I said the wealthy donors had the freedom to spend their money any way they choose. Miller's buyout at Indiana was paid for by donors, not the school. Maybe the same thing happened at UC. So my justification is the donors can spend their money any way they want.

Last Edited: 4/16/2021 2:32:08 PM by Big Willy
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   Posted: 4/16/2021 4:22:12 PM 
This is why I'm against it: think of what you could really do with 5 million or 10 million, in IU's case, instead of paying someone to go away because they didn't win enough meaningless games to suit them. I don't care how much money you have or who paid it. It's just plain wrong.
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   Posted: 4/16/2021 7:14:42 PM 
giacomo wrote:
This is why I'm against it: think of what you could really do with 5 million or 10 million, in IU's case, instead of paying someone to go away because they didn't win enough meaningless games to suit them. I don't care how much money you have or who paid it. It's just plain wrong.


You still don't get it. Where is this 5 or 10 million coming from? There is no 5 or 10 million going to the school for general use. The donors are giving money to pay for the buyout. The school isn't getting this money and choosing to use it for the buyout. I really doubt that donors are saying, I'll give you $200,000 to help buy out the coach, but if you keep the coach I'll give it to the physics department. The donors want a new coach and will give the money specifically for the buyout.

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   Posted: 4/17/2021 11:21:01 AM 
You don't understand what I am saying. Spend 5 or 10M on something worthwhile and meaningful, not buying out a coach. ANYTHING is better than that. I don't care if it's their money and they can light cigars with thousand dollar bills. If I were the AD and president I would refuse to accept their money for such a buyout.
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   Posted: 4/17/2021 2:34:07 PM 
giacomo wrote:
You don't understand what I am saying. Spend 5 or 10M on something worthwhile and meaningful, not buying out a coach. ANYTHING is better than that. I don't care if it's their money and they can light cigars with thousand dollar bills. If I were the AD and president I would refuse to accept their money for such a buyout.


I understand exactly what you are saying. You are telling the donors how they should spend their money. (And to say that the AD and President should refuse to accept their money is ridiculous.)
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   Posted: 4/17/2021 5:27:35 PM 
If Giacomo is suggesting wealthy donors with money to burn should give millions of dollars to help with world hunger or to help cure cancer rather than buying out college coaches' contracts, I'm going to side with Giacomo.

Last Edited: 4/17/2021 5:27:51 PM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 4/17/2021 7:32:53 PM 
Big Willy wrote:
giacomo wrote:
You don't understand what I am saying. Spend 5 or 10M on something worthwhile and meaningful, not buying out a coach. ANYTHING is better than that. I don't care if it's their money and they can light cigars with thousand dollar bills. If I were the AD and president I would refuse to accept their money for such a buyout.


I understand exactly what you are saying. You are telling the donors how they should spend their money. (And to say that the AD and President should refuse to accept their money is ridiculous.)



He's criticizing how donors spent their money; at no point has he, or anybody else, suggested they shouldn't be allowed to spend their money buying out a coach's contract. That's an idea you introduced.

The donors can spend the money how they like and Giacomo can criticize them for it. Because, frankly, it's a truly ridiculous thing to spend money on. If I ever have an extra 5 million dollars laying around and the best thing I can think to do with it is buy out the contract of an underperforming college basketball coach, I hope somebody in my life files to become the conservator of my assets, because that'll be a sure sign I've lost my sh*t.
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   Posted: 4/17/2021 8:02:00 PM 
giacomo wrote:
This is why I'm against it: think of what you could really do with 5 million or 10 million, in IU's case, instead of paying someone to go away because they didn't win enough meaningless games to suit them. I don't care how much money you have or who paid it. It's just plain wrong.


It costs $20 dollars an hour for the Luxor in Vegas to shine the sky beam. Maybe you could share your thoughts about what they should do with the money instead.

Your opinions remind me of the little Laf-a-Day calendar my Grandmother had in the kitchen.

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   Posted: 4/18/2021 11:45:58 AM 
I’m glad I could amuse you. I was thinking my opinions were more like the manimals in “Pluggers”.

It would be interesting to know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Did the AD and president want to fire the coach and solicited wealthy donors to buy them out, or was it the donors instigating it? If I’m the AD and the president, do I really want to draw attention to the outrageous salaries and further alienate faculty and alumni? There are some, like a few on here, that think it’s no big deal. I guess we’ll never know. But if I’m the AD or prez and some donors wanted to buy out a coach I would say no thanks. You’ll have to be ashamed to wear your Hoosier and Bearcat gear at the country club.
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   Posted: 4/19/2021 10:41:13 AM 
^^ Well this has gotten interesting.....
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   Posted: 4/19/2021 12:57:19 PM 
We’re getting dangerously close to critiquing IU athletics donor John Mellencamp, which is a felony in the state of Indiana.
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   Posted: 4/19/2021 2:42:53 PM 
. wrote:
We’re getting dangerously close to critiquing IU athletics donor John Mellencamp, which is a felony in the state of Indiana.


Speaking of IU.
I hadn't seen this till today, but Yahoo sports is reporting that
Celtics' coach Brad Stevens turned down a 7 seven year $10 million contract from IU.
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   Posted: 4/19/2021 7:32:08 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
. wrote:
We’re getting dangerously close to critiquing IU athletics donor John Mellencamp, which is a felony in the state of Indiana.


Speaking of IU.
I hadn't seen this till today, but Yahoo sports is reporting that
Celtics' coach Brad Stevens turned down a 7 seven year $10 million contract from IU.



Stevens was just on the pre-game show. He said he was never offered an IU contract and wouldn’t accept it if he was.
He just signed a new deal in August. .
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