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   Posted: 4/5/2021 11:09:39 PM 
Reminds me of our game vs Creighton. Most of Baylor's lead came in an 8-minute stretch (this time, the first 8 minutes) and Gonzaga can't buy a three or hit a FT tonight. Zags got it to 10 at the half but Baylor caught its breath and has stretched it back to 16 at the under 8:00.


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   Posted: 4/5/2021 11:21:34 PM 
Agreed on similarities. Dare I say Gonzaga looked like a mid-major tonight. Totally exposed.
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   Posted: 4/5/2021 11:45:51 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
Agreed on similarities. Dare I say Gonzaga looked like a mid-major tonight. Totally exposed.


And Iíll say it again, with 2 minutes left Baylor bench had outscored the Zagís bench 21-4. The Zags didnít have a bench.
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   Posted: 4/5/2021 11:47:44 PM 
Look at all the outstanding teams Gonzaga beat this year. They had an off night vs a superbly prepared Baylor team. I don't think they got exposed. Just one bad game.
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   Posted: 4/6/2021 12:16:21 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Look at all the outstanding teams Gonzaga beat this year. They had an off night vs a superbly prepared Baylor team. I don't think they got exposed. Just one bad game.


+1 Agreed. It happens. Just like our game against Creighton. The Zags are better than this game, and OHIO is better than the Creighton game. In fact, JP's summary of that game fits this game, "Missed too many makable shots."

Last Edited: 4/6/2021 12:16:37 AM by OhioCatFan


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   Posted: 4/6/2021 12:25:41 AM 
Zags outshot the Bears, shooting over 50%. They just couldn't rebound and take care of the ball.
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   Posted: 4/6/2021 12:27:51 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
Zags outshot the Bears, shooting over 50%. They just couldn't rebound and take care of the ball.


But not from three, and not from the foul stripe.


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   Posted: 4/6/2021 11:58:00 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Look at all the outstanding teams Gonzaga beat this year. They had an off night vs a superbly prepared Baylor team. I don't think they got exposed. Just one bad game.


That didnít exactly look like number 1 versus an 11 seed a couple nights earlier. They won, but could have easily lost that one as well-a one play game.
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   Posted: 4/6/2021 4:56:24 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Look at all the outstanding teams Gonzaga beat this year. They had an off night vs a superbly prepared Baylor team. I don't think they got exposed. Just one bad game.


Agree with this. Baylor dared the Gonzaga guards to beat them off the dribble and overplayed the pass. Both Suggs and Nembhard came out tight as a drum. Suggs in particular tried to do too much early. Baylor out-toughed them much like we were out-toughed early this year. Another day it could be a very different story.
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   Posted: 4/7/2021 7:08:12 PM 
If we played Baylor this year we'd have got beat worse than the last couple games we played against Kansas. That guy vital will play in the NBA.
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   Posted: 4/8/2021 6:28:23 PM 
It turned out Gonzaga got A-plus games back-to-back in the Final Four, and Baylor's A-plus game is outstanding. You have to be good and lucky to go undefeated.

Last Edited: 4/8/2021 6:28:50 PM by JSF


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   Posted: 4/8/2021 7:29:57 PM 
JSF wrote:
It turned out Gonzaga got A-plus games back-to-back in the Final Four, and Baylor's A-plus game is outstanding. You have to be good and lucky to go undefeated.


I agree with you. They got one of Baylor's best games and didn't play close to their best. That's all that happened.

I heard talking heads on ESPN say that after watching the game that they thought that Baylor would beat Gonzaga 8 or 9 times out of 10. It was more than one person that said that. Really? The people who put their money where their mouth is had Gonzaga as a 4.5 point favorite based on a season's worth of results. Now, after one game, we suddenly think that Baylor is better than the second best team in the country by about 13 points (which is what an 85% chance of winning means)? Heck, 15 seeds beat 2 seeds about that often. I'm not even sure that Baylor would beat Ohio 85% of the time. They might. They probably would. But it would not be a lot more than that.

Sometimes I cannot believe what people read into just one game. One game is just a data point. Buffalo blew a healthy Ohio team out of our own building and broke a six game winning streak in the process. Ohio handed them an equivalent beatdown a couple of weeks later. How? Because stuff like that happens all the time. In beating Gonzaga, Baylor earned the championship. They MIGHT have even convinced they most in the know people that they are actually the best team and thus might be favored if they played again today. I'm not even totally convinced of that. But to suggest that they would beat the second best team in the country about 85% of the time and are thus far and away the greatest team ever is absurd.
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  Message Not Read  RE: NCAA Tourney Thread
   Posted: 4/9/2021 11:40:27 PM 
Victory wrote:
JSF wrote:
It turned out Gonzaga got A-plus games back-to-back in the Final Four, and Baylor's A-plus game is outstanding. You have to be good and lucky to go undefeated.


I agree with you. They got one of Baylor's best games and didn't play close to their best. That's all that happened.

I heard talking heads on ESPN say that after watching the game that they thought that Baylor would beat Gonzaga 8 or 9 times out of 10. It was more than one person that said that. Really? The people who put their money where their mouth is had Gonzaga as a 4.5 point favorite based on a season's worth of results. Now, after one game, we suddenly think that Baylor is better than the second best team in the country by about 13 points (which is what an 85% chance of winning means)? Heck, 15 seeds beat 2 seeds about that often. I'm not even sure that Baylor would beat Ohio 85% of the time. They might. They probably would. But it would not be a lot more than that.

Sometimes I cannot believe what people read into just one game. One game is just a data point. Buffalo blew a healthy Ohio team out of our own building and broke a six game winning streak in the process. Ohio handed them an equivalent beatdown a couple of weeks later. How? Because stuff like that happens all the time. In beating Gonzaga, Baylor earned the championship. They MIGHT have even convinced they most in the know people that they are actually the best team and thus might be favored if they played again today. I'm not even totally convinced of that. But to suggest that they would beat the second best team in the country about 85% of the time and are thus far and away the greatest team ever is absurd.


I agree 110 percent, Victory. These talking heads in the sports world (and other places as well) often just jump on the bandwagon and engage in a kind of brainless group think. My own personal feeling is that Gonzaga was mentally and emotionally spent after that thrilling OT victory over UCLA. They also were more physically tired after a strenuous game. Baylor, on the other hand, had a cake walk in their semifinal match. They came to the game fresh mentally and physically. The Zags were the opposite. I think, the opposite of the talking heads. I think the Zags beat the Bears 60 percent of the time. I can't prove this conjecture, but the talking heads can't prove their absurd assertion of 85 percent the other way, either.

Last Edited: 4/9/2021 11:42:45 PM by OhioCatFan


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   Posted: 4/10/2021 2:54:36 AM 
Victory wrote:
JSF wrote:
It turned out Gonzaga got A-plus games back-to-back in the Final Four, and Baylor's A-plus game is outstanding. You have to be good and lucky to go undefeated.


I agree with you. They got one of Baylor's best games and didn't play close to their best. That's all that happened.

I heard talking heads on ESPN say that after watching the game that they thought that Baylor would beat Gonzaga 8 or 9 times out of 10. It was more than one person that said that. Really? The people who put their money where their mouth is had Gonzaga as a 4.5 point favorite based on a season's worth of results. Now, after one game, we suddenly think that Baylor is better than the second best team in the country by about 13 points (which is what an 85% chance of winning means)? Heck, 15 seeds beat 2 seeds about that often. I'm not even sure that Baylor would beat Ohio 85% of the time. They might. They probably would. But it would not be a lot more than that.

Sometimes I cannot believe what people read into just one game. One game is just a data point. Buffalo blew a healthy Ohio team out of our own building and broke a six game winning streak in the process. Ohio handed them an equivalent beatdown a couple of weeks later. How? Because stuff like that happens all the time. In beating Gonzaga, Baylor earned the championship. They MIGHT have even convinced they most in the know people that they are actually the best team and thus might be favored if they played again today. I'm not even totally convinced of that. But to suggest that they would beat the second best team in the country about 85% of the time and are thus far and away the greatest team ever is absurd.


I totally agree with you. I am stunned at the lack of critical thinking skills among some in the sports talk business.
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   Posted: 4/10/2021 12:22:30 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Victory wrote:
JSF wrote:
It turned out Gonzaga got A-plus games back-to-back in the Final Four, and Baylor's A-plus game is outstanding. You have to be good and lucky to go undefeated.


I agree with you. They got one of Baylor's best games and didn't play close to their best. That's all that happened.

I heard talking heads on ESPN say that after watching the game that they thought that Baylor would beat Gonzaga 8 or 9 times out of 10. It was more than one person that said that. Really? The people who put their money where their mouth is had Gonzaga as a 4.5 point favorite based on a season's worth of results. Now, after one game, we suddenly think that Baylor is better than the second best team in the country by about 13 points (which is what an 85% chance of winning means)? Heck, 15 seeds beat 2 seeds about that often. I'm not even sure that Baylor would beat Ohio 85% of the time. They might. They probably would. But it would not be a lot more than that.

Sometimes I cannot believe what people read into just one game. One game is just a data point. Buffalo blew a healthy Ohio team out of our own building and broke a six game winning streak in the process. Ohio handed them an equivalent beatdown a couple of weeks later. How? Because stuff like that happens all the time. In beating Gonzaga, Baylor earned the championship. They MIGHT have even convinced they most in the know people that they are actually the best team and thus might be favored if they played again today. I'm not even totally convinced of that. But to suggest that they would beat the second best team in the country about 85% of the time and are thus far and away the greatest team ever is absurd.


I totally agree with you. I am stunned at the lack of critical thinking skills among some in the sports talk business.


The sports talk business is all about "hot takes" these days. Critical thinking and logic has no place in the genre anymore.
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   Posted: 4/10/2021 9:32:30 PM 
This reminds me of the MLB playoffs last year. Announcers were talking about a guyís postseason, and Iím like, itís been a game and a half.


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