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Team had some special players. Back to Top ohiocatfan1 General User Member Since: 9/6/2016 Post Count: 319 Status: Online     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 1:21:25 PM  It's amazing to me that JC keeps getting jobs. He's had no real success anywhere. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,117 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 2:04:50 PM  It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good. That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,913 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 2:18:03 PM  shabamon wrote: It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good. That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault. I'm just thinking of all the talent that played here between the Christian and Phillips' eras and my jaw is dropping because...man did we leave a lot on the table. DJ Cooper Walt Offutt Nick Kellogg Ivo Baltic John Smith Stevie Taylor Maurice N'Dour Ryan Taylor Mike Laster Jaaron Simmons Kenny Kaminski Tony Campbell Jason Carter Jordan Dartis Ben Vander Plas Jason Preston And that's not even mentioning glue guys like Johnson, Hall, Setty, Wilkins and Block. Blame it on whomever you want, but we certainly had some dudes. That list is full of All-MAC first and second team caliber players, with the right coaching. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,125 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 2:52:23 PM  GoCats105 wrote: shabamon wrote: It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good. That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault. I'm just thinking of all the talent that played here between the Christian and Phillips' eras and my jaw is dropping because...man did we leave a lot on the table. DJ Cooper Walt Offutt Nick Kellogg Ivo Baltic John Smith Stevie Taylor Maurice N'Dour Ryan Taylor Mike Laster Jaaron Simmons Kenny Kaminski Tony Campbell Jason Carter Jordan Dartis Ben Vander Plas Jason Preston And that's not even mentioning glue guys like Johnson, Hall, Setty, Wilkins and Block. Blame it on whomever you want, but we certainly had some dudes. That list is full of All-MAC first and second team caliber players, with the right coaching. My biggest fear is that somehow the Preston years are wasted. Granted March getting canceled last year wasn't Ohio's fault. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,284 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 3:29:29 PM  shabamon wrote: It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good. That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault. This is exactly right. A lot of people here seem to have set the expectation for Jim Christian at NCAA tournament or bust. He delivered our first MAC Regular Season #1 finish since 1994. If we shoot 40% from three in the final, we win. Instead we went 1 of 20. Is what it is. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 4:03:02 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,284 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 4:19:50 PM  Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game. I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,341 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 5:44:44 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. In theory, yes. In reality, Zeke was picking up DJ almost at full court and completely smothering him. The advantage of Zeke on DJ was greater than any mismatch Reggie could manage. Dambrot waited until the second half to spring it, catching us completely off-guard. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/19/2021 5:51:30 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game. I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point. Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/20/2021 12:48:52 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game. I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point. BINGO! You also have to play with the pieces you have. Akron that night after several looks exploited our weaknesses and we were not flexible enough in personnel to make needed adjustments or to counter the game plan of Akron. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/20/2021 12:49:59 AM  Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game. I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point. Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for. So John Callapri Jr, how would you have countered this? Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,003 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/20/2021 3:13:01 PM  Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game. I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point. Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for. You guys see a different game? Zips Nick Harney at 6'8" was the defender on DJ. While Marshall may have switched onto DJ on the high screen it was Harney that played the tough defense. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/20/2021 6:21:24 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Pataskala wrote: JSF wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year. The year before, we shot 9 of 21. That was basically the difference. Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive. I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for. Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game. But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half. Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game. I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point. Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for. So John Callapri Jr, how would you have countered this? I don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to make those choices. But sometimes coaches develop strategies that put their opponents in no-win situations. Maybe there wasn't an answer. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,341 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/20/2021 7:37:59 PM  MonroeClassmate wrote: You guys see a different game? Zips Nick Harney at 6'8" was the defender on DJ. While Marshall may have switched onto DJ on the high screen it was Harney that played the tough defense. We must have. Marshall was the primary defender in the second half. I talked to Dambrot and Marshall about it face-to-face. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,117 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 1/21/2021 9:32:08 AM  My memory also is that Harney guarded Cooper, but it's not important. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,117 Status: Offline     RE: you think ohio is struggling . . .    Posted: 2/1/2021 2:06:12 PM  https://twitter.com/ByDavidTeel/status/1356259090704592896 BC has only eight players available for tomorrow's game with Florida State. Only four of those players are on scholarship. Administration wants them to play. They're going to get rolled by 100. 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