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Topic:  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio

Topic:  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio
   Posted: 5/29/2019 11:10:12 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:

Simple,

regular season title = Automatic Bid
conference tournament = Automatic Bid
fill in from there.

This would greatly increase the interest and visibility in mid-major basketball, as leagues such as ours would be able (most years) to get that 2nd team into the dance, and would push out the 18-17 win (conference losing record) from the tournament.




Unfortunately the math for this doesn't work.

Someone posted that there are 34 conferences in men's B.B.

I believe pretty much every conference has a tournament.

If that's the case,you could theoretically have 34 different regular season and tournament champions.

Not likely,but possible.

If that did happen,or even came close,the NCAA tournament loses at large bids.

They'll never put themselves in a position where that was even a possibility.
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CatsUp
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   Posted: 5/29/2019 11:36:46 AM 
Rpbobcat, you may very well be right about that but I wonder if the NIT wouldn’t rather have an 8-12 conference record “P5” team anyway and be willing to go with the idea? Of course, if that team is willing to participate is another story, in which case maybe they go to the 7-13 team? ; )

They also might squeeze the criteria some (top 10 conferences?) to lessen the impact on the NIT.
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Andrew Ruck
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   Posted: 5/29/2019 11:47:01 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
Here's a (probably) even dumber thought. What about changing the way the conference tournament is structured and cut lower end teams from it all together? It would be a bit more like the way the MAC does baseball, say only the top 6 make the MAC tournament. 1 and 2 seeds get a bye to the semifinal, 3-6 and 4-5 play each other in what amounts to the quarterfinals for the right to play 1 and 2 in the semis. You'd add some relevance to the regular season and still give several teams a chance. A chance that they have to EARN. If you did that with last year's MAC it would be something like:

Byes to semifinal

1 seed: Buffalo
2 seed: Toledo

Quarterfinal matchups

3 Bowling Green vs Eastern Mich
4 Kent St vs Central Mich

I realize teams that don't make the top 6 would cry "we never had a chance," but in my humble opinion you had 18 conference games worth of chances to prove you belong in the field in Cleveland.


I have been for this for a long time. I loathe tournaments that include everyone. Some teams just don't belong in any form of postseason play. The race for the tourney spots would be exciting. The other thing I proposed years ago was a very star-stepped seeding that makes each seed super important.

1-2 - Bye to Semis (must win 2)
3-4 - Bye to Quarters (must win 3)
5-6 - Bye to 2nd Rd (must win 4)
7-8 - 1st Rd Home game (must win 5)
9-10 - 1st Rd Road Game (must win 5)
11-12 - Not in Tourney (on the couch)

Andrew Ruck
B.B.A. 2003

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  Message Not Read  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio
   Posted: 5/29/2019 11:52:01 AM 
CatsUp wrote:
Rpbobcat, you may very well be right about that but I wonder if the NIT wouldn’t rather have an 8-12 conference record “P5” team anyway and be willing to go with the idea? Of course, if that team is willing to participate is another story, in which case maybe they go to the 7-13 team? ; )

They also might squeeze the criteria some (top 10 conferences?) to lessen the impact on the NIT.


The NCAA controls the NIT,so,to me,they'll use the selection process to maximize their revenue from both tournaments.

I think,for your idea to have a chance,the NCAA would have to do to the NIT, what they did for the NCAA tournament years ago.
Namely, make participation mandatory if you're selected.




Last Edited: 5/29/2019 11:52:22 AM by rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio
   Posted: 5/29/2019 12:14:29 PM 
I agree that if they would be unable to make a similar plan at least as profitable as things are now it won't happen. Unfortunate but true.
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   Posted: 5/29/2019 3:03:59 PM 
I would go a step further and have the top four only in the conference tournament like the Ivy League does. Also reward the regular season winner by permitting them to host the title game. If by chance the regular season winner loses in the semis, go with the next best team hosting, etc. The MAC office will never go for that, but at least the regular season champ gets some kind of advantage for their hard work and success during the lengthy season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio
   Posted: 5/29/2019 3:38:58 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
I would go a step further and have the top four only in the conference tournament like the Ivy League does. Also reward the regular season winner by permitting them to host the title game. If by chance the regular season winner loses in the semis, go with the next best team hosting, etc. The MAC office will never go for that, but at least the regular season champ gets some kind of advantage for their hard work and success during the lengthy season.


One of the things the MAC does well is the MAC tournament in Cleveland. We can debate what bracket format is best, but I'm not in favor of campus sites. Though it is cool to watch championship week games from a campus site where if the hosting team is in the final, there's a rabid environment and student sections, I still perceive those conferences as low major. Having our tournament in an NBA arena raises the MAC's profile to the rest of the country. I remember the 2013 final in particular when there were 12,000+ at the Q and they had to open some of the top deck. It was big time.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Georgia Tech's Sylvester Ogbonda to Ohio
   Posted: 5/29/2019 5:36:20 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
I would go a step further and have the top four only in the conference tournament like the Ivy League does. Also reward the regular season winner by permitting them to host the title game. If by chance the regular season winner loses in the semis, go with the next best team hosting, etc. The MAC office will never go for that, but at least the regular season champ gets some kind of advantage for their hard work and success during the lengthy season.


One of the things the MAC does well is the MAC tournament in Cleveland. We can debate what bracket format is best, but I'm not in favor of campus sites. Though it is cool to watch championship week games from a campus site where if the hosting team is in the final, there's a rabid environment and student sections, I still perceive those conferences as low major. Having our tournament in an NBA arena raises the MAC's profile to the rest of the country. I remember the 2013 final in particular when there were 12,000+ at the Q and they had to open some of the top deck. It was big time.


Agreed. Don't mess with something that works, and the MAC Basketball Championship in Cleveland works very well.
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