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   Posted: 4/30/2019 9:23:56 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..
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   Posted: 4/30/2019 10:35:44 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
To think quality of product on the floor, quality of experience during the game day and cost of the tickets is not a factor, then I do not know that there would ever be a factor that would prevent us from building the largest arena in America so all of our alumni will practice loyalty and attend every game.


You're once again twisting words of select posters to communicate a made up tone. These people are sharing their own personal approach to fandom, no one said these things you mention are not factors in attendance. They just are not factors in their own attendance. I tend to be that way as well on a personal level. Reason #1 why I attend is because I a proud Ohio Bobcat who enjoys the game of basketball. Reason #2, whatever it is, is light years down the list.


GroverBall said as much. He even said if you have to evaluate those things maybe you should put your attention elsewhere. That's easy to say when you live in Athens or the surrounding area.

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   Posted: 4/30/2019 10:37:19 AM 
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..


I think/hope several of us responded about that in the famous request for feedback emails.
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   Posted: 4/30/2019 11:57:02 AM 
Big Willy wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
To think quality of product on the floor, quality of experience during the game day and cost of the tickets is not a factor, then I do not know that there would ever be a factor that would prevent us from building the largest arena in America so all of our alumni will practice loyalty and attend every game.


You're once again twisting words of select posters to communicate a made up tone. These people are sharing their own personal approach to fandom, no one said these things you mention are not factors in attendance. They just are not factors in their own attendance. I tend to be that way as well on a personal level. Reason #1 why I attend is because I a proud Ohio Bobcat who enjoys the game of basketball. Reason #2, whatever it is, is light years down the list.


GroverBall said as much. He even said if you have to evaluate those things maybe you should put your attention elsewhere. That's easy to say when you live in Athens or the surrounding area.



Yes, it is, which is why I noted that I was local. But I also took the prompt for this thread literally, while many seem to have taken it as "who is buying season tickets for the Convo this season?" I am always impressed with those who buy season tickets and travel to Athens for most games, very impressed. But I took this thread to be asking who was coming back to support our team this season, who was going to at least come back for a game? And my answer is the same, I don't understand those who say "I'm done, the coach sucks, the players aren't D1 caliber, I'm not supporting this team (coming back to the Convo)." And I'll say it again, if you have to evaluate the program to decide if you're coming back to the Convo (support the team, even for one game), I don't get it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: who is going back to the Convo this season?
   Posted: 4/30/2019 11:59:26 AM 
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?
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   Posted: 4/30/2019 12:07:48 PM 
I thought it was about supporting your alma mater and being a dedicated part of the program. And giving something back to your alma mater.
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   Posted: 4/30/2019 12:21:12 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I thought it was about supporting your alma mater and being a dedicated part of the program. And giving something back to your alma mater.


Many of us do not have an alma mater. We still love our Bobcats. But hey, we are the ones out beyond the Plains that everyone forgets. We're used to it. Goes right along with our neighbors in their red and gray. Might be more of us and less of them if someone was paying attention.

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  Message Not Read  RE: who is going back to the Convo this season?
   Posted: 4/30/2019 12:49:20 PM 
shabamon wrote:
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?


Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I don't attend any game based on the "likely outcome." "Bad basketball" is subjective anyway and puts an entire game of effort and plays into one category when it's so much more complicated, particularly when it's played by student athletes who have collegiate lives outside the team that some people care about.

I love basketball, I'll watch "good" basketball, "bad" basketball, grade school rec basketball, middle school, high school, pick-up, whatever. For me it's not simply "entertainment," it just isn't, it's something much more and I enjoy it on so many levels. From the grand scheme of things it's simply enjoyable for me, whether or not I leave a game in a bad mood or a good mood or something in between. I've never regretted attending a game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: who is going back to the Convo this season?
   Posted: 4/30/2019 12:49:47 PM 
shabamon wrote:
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?


I say: Yes and no. Yes, bad basketball makes it less likely that I'll drive 180 miles roundtrip to watch, but I still come. I'm just less likely to prioritize bad basketball for as many games as I would entertaining basketball - such as on a Tuesday night from Columbus to Athens and back home with work the next morning on Wednesday.
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  Message Not Read  RE: who is going back to the Convo this season?
   Posted: 4/30/2019 1:01:22 PM 
shabamon wrote:
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?


This is a surprisingly poor take, especially for college sports, and an example of everything wrong with how sports are viewed these days. Being there when the team clicks and figures it out is what being a true fan is all about.

The Bobcats were 0-4 in the MAC in mid-January 2010, the freshman point guard named Cooper was eratic...many weren't sure John Groce was cut out to be a head coach. But I was there as I watched the Cooper kid become great, the team start to click and become a solid MAC team. And when they thrust themselves onto the cover of USA Today 2 months later, it was 100 times more satisfying and prideful for me to see than the fans who decided earlier that season that the team just made them in a bad mood too much to be bothered.


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   Posted: 4/30/2019 2:26:30 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
shabamon wrote:
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?


This is a surprisingly poor take, especially for college sports, and an example of everything wrong with how sports are viewed these days. Being there when the team clicks and figures it out is what being a true fan is all about.

The Bobcats were 0-4 in the MAC in mid-January 2010, the freshman point guard named Cooper was eratic...many weren't sure John Groce was cut out to be a head coach. But I was there as I watched the Cooper kid become great, the team start to click and become a solid MAC team. And when they thrust themselves onto the cover of USA Today 2 months later, it was 100 times more satisfying and prideful for me to see than the fans who decided earlier that season that the team just made them in a bad mood too much to be bothered.


While I agree in principle with what you're saying ... I think there was a stark difference in that 2010 team that struggled to start and, say, the last couple OHIO teams. You could see talent on that 2010 team that if they could just get it together, they was something there. It kept you coming back to see.

These last two years, there's been barely a glimmer of that .... and if OHIO continued down that path, I can see how some would struggle with renewing season tickets and making the 3-6 hour commitment to travel to the Convo on a weeknight to watch them play The Citadel or Central Michigan.

I think what Boals has done in his short time has breathed some life into things ... and some optimism. I said it previously, not to pile on Saul, but the class Boals has already put together might be better than anything we've seen in the last five years.

Gives hope for the future that this might not be as a long of a road to turn things around. I'm optimistic again ... albeit, patiently optimistic. I don't have visions of cutting down nets in Cleveland next March ... but I have visions of maybe sitting in Cleveland for at least one game next March.
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  Message Not Read  RE: who is going back to the Convo this season?
   Posted: 4/30/2019 2:31:56 PM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I thought it was about supporting your alma mater and being a dedicated part of the program. And giving something back to your alma mater.


Many of us do not have an alma mater. We still love our Bobcats. But hey, we are the ones out beyond the Plains that everyone forgets. We're used to it. Goes right along with our neighbors in their red and gray. Might be more of us and less of them if someone was paying attention.



I understand that. Our athletic programs couldn't survive without the support of loyal Bobcat fans who aren't alumni.

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   Posted: 4/30/2019 2:59:46 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
shabamon wrote:
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?


This is a surprisingly poor take, especially for college sports, and an example of everything wrong with how sports are viewed these days. Being there when the team clicks and figures it out is what being a true fan is all about.

The Bobcats were 0-4 in the MAC in mid-January 2010, the freshman point guard named Cooper was eratic...many weren't sure John Groce was cut out to be a head coach. But I was there as I watched the Cooper kid become great, the team start to click and become a solid MAC team. And when they thrust themselves onto the cover of USA Today 2 months later, it was 100 times more satisfying and prideful for me to see than the fans who decided earlier that season that the team just made them in a bad mood too much to be bothered.


While I agree in principle with what you're saying ... I think there was a stark difference in that 2010 team that struggled to start and, say, the last couple OHIO teams. You could see talent on that 2010 team that if they could just get it together, they was something there. It kept you coming back to see.

These last two years, there's been barely a glimmer of that .... and if OHIO continued down that path, I can see how some would struggle with renewing season tickets and making the 3-6 hour commitment to travel to the Convo on a weeknight to watch them play The Citadel or Central Michigan.

I think what Boals has done in his short time has breathed some life into things ... and some optimism. I said it previously, not to pile on Saul, but the class Boals has already put together might be better than anything we've seen in the last five years.

Gives hope for the future that this might not be as a long of a road to turn things around. I'm optimistic again ... albeit, patiently optimistic. I don't have visions of cutting down nets in Cleveland next March ... but I have visions of maybe sitting in Cleveland for at least one game next March.


Thank you, this is exactly what I mean. Three out of five years under Saul were dreadful, and I couldn't find much to excite me in those years. I don't mean to say I don't come to games when a loss is the likely outcome. Far from it. I take some level of satisfaction when Ohio loses against a better team, but still showed effort, fundamentals, preparation, teamwork and a competitive spirit. When those aren't there at all, it's hard to justify spending time and money.

I'm happy you mentioned 2010 in particular. I watched that 0-4 start. I was present at Miami in the middle of that streak after we dropped two at home to Akron and Kent. Despite that, I knew there was the makings of a cohesive team somewhere in there. A couple weeks later, I drove from Cincinnati to Chicago for a job interview, then Chicago to Toledo for that OT game against a poor Rocket team, then back down to Cincinnati all in one day. Despite the struggles, there was still a cohesive, entertaining team somewhere that had to find itself. It's why the championship win against Akron that year is to this day my favorite OU sports memory.

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  Message Not Read  RE: who is going back to the Convo this season?
   Posted: 4/30/2019 6:39:45 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
shabamon wrote:
It's as simple as this: this is entertainment, and bad basketball is not entertaining. If the likely outcome of going to a game is that you will leave in a bad mood, why go?


Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I don't attend any game based on the "likely outcome." "Bad basketball" is subjective anyway and puts an entire game of effort and plays into one category when it's so much more complicated, particularly when it's played by student athletes who have collegiate lives outside the team that some people care about.

I love basketball, I'll watch "good" basketball, "bad" basketball, grade school rec basketball, middle school, high school, pick-up, whatever. For me it's not simply "entertainment," it just isn't, it's something much more and I enjoy it on so many levels. From the grand scheme of things it's simply enjoyable for me, whether or not I leave a game in a bad mood or a good mood or something in between. I've never regretted attending a game.


And, when you come off the IR, we'll enjoy seeing that baby hook of yours again, my friend. I'll bet you'll enjoy that too!


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   Posted: 4/30/2019 7:32:11 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
While I agree in principle with what you're saying ... I think there was a stark difference in that 2010 team that struggled to start and, say, the last couple OHIO teams. You could see talent on that 2010 team that if they could just get it together, they was something there. It kept you coming back to see.


Respectfully I think you are partaking in a little revisionist history in hindsight. In fact I think revisionist history is rampant in sports in general. I also think it is unfair to say there was no glimmer of that given the amount of key injuries (& a transfer) we experienced.

But regardless, even if the struggling feels more hopeless, it isn't completely hopeless. And I don't mean hope to get to the tourney (at times that is just about hopeless)...I mean there are small gains and developments within a team that are worth following and rooting for no matter the situation.


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   Posted: 5/1/2019 8:06:38 AM 
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..



Well, my understanding is virtually all the empty lower bowl seats are sold out every year. So I'm just hoping all those people show up.

I'm like McKinney, I show up no matter what.

Hopefully us Bobcatattackers can rally and recruit more buddies to attend. I'm working on 2-4 buddies right now.

Last Edited: 5/1/2019 8:15:44 AM by Ohio69


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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Jeff McKinney wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I thought it was about supporting your alma mater and being a dedicated part of the program. And giving something back to your alma mater.


Many of us do not have an alma mater. We still love our Bobcats. But hey, we are the ones out beyond the Plains that everyone forgets. We're used to it. Goes right along with our neighbors in their red and gray. Might be more of us and less of them if someone was paying attention.



I understand that. Our athletic programs couldn't survive without the support of loyal Bobcat fans who aren't alumni.



Exactly Jeff, and Boals has strong ties with the OHBCA and the local coaches, that alone will drive more interest in our program in the region of SE OHIO.
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   Posted: 5/1/2019 9:32:56 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..



Well, my understanding is virtually all the empty lower bowl seats are sold out every year. So I'm just hoping all those people show up.

I'm like McKinney, I show up no matter what.

Hopefully us Bobcatattackers can rally and recruit more buddies to attend. I'm working on 2-4 buddies right now.



Not sold out every year, just in the past they refuse to sell them as single game tickets, because priced out they would be cheaper than the person buying the season ticket and their OBC club contribution.
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   Posted: 5/1/2019 9:56:25 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..



Well, my understanding is virtually all the empty lower bowl seats are sold out every year. So I'm just hoping all those people show up.

I'm like McKinney, I show up no matter what.

Hopefully us Bobcatattackers can rally and recruit more buddies to attend. I'm working on 2-4 buddies right now.



Not sold out every year, just in the past they refuse to sell them as single game tickets, because priced out they would be cheaper than the person buying the season ticket and their OBC club contribution.


Obviously, for the sake of filling those seats, they need to find a way to sell the single game, unsold seats on a game by game basis. Price them accordingly so that those who have season tickets in those areas are very clearly getting the best deal. As someone said earlier, price them at two, maybe three times the season ticket holder's cost and see what happens. Or come up with a weekend only option on those unsold seats. Why not at least try SOMETHING rather than having empty seats?

In the end, they obviously need to look at the entire pricing structure and adapt to the demand. To keep things the same as they were last season, to me, would be shouting from the rooftop "we asked for your feedback, and just don't care what the fans and alumni think". I'm not saying that's what I expect however. I expect something to change when renewal offers come out.
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   Posted: 5/1/2019 1:14:53 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I also think it is unfair to say there was no glimmer of that given the amount of key injuries (& a transfer) we experienced.


I'm not sure what you're asking us to do here? Yes, the Simmons transfer totally changed the outlook on the 2017-18 season ... so we're not allowed to look at that season as a potential to be bleak?

My point is ... regardless of why ... the last two seasons did not provide a lot hope that things were getting better. Back to back 14-17 seasons and finishing near the bottom of the MAC provided little incentive to make the commitment as an out-of-town alum/fan to a 3-6 hr commute to the Convo to watch. The team just wasn't very good ... again, regardless of the reason. They just weren't.

And had OHIO continued down that path, it would be understandable how someone would not want to continue to make that kind of investment of going to games at the Convo to see a below-average product that provided little hope for greener pastures.

In 2010, the team did show glimpses of something and it made it easier to make that investment/commitment. In 2017-19, those two teams didn't provide that same glimmer.

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   Posted: 5/1/2019 1:41:24 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..



Well, my understanding is virtually all the empty lower bowl seats are sold out every year. So I'm just hoping all those people show up.

I'm like McKinney, I show up no matter what.

Hopefully us Bobcatattackers can rally and recruit more buddies to attend. I'm working on 2-4 buddies right now.



Not sold out every year, just in the past they refuse to sell them as single game tickets, because priced out they would be cheaper than the person buying the season ticket and their OBC club contribution.


Obviously, for the sake of filling those seats, they need to find a way to sell the single game, unsold seats on a game by game basis. Price them accordingly so that those who have season tickets in those areas are very clearly getting the best deal. As someone said earlier, price them at two, maybe three times the season ticket holder's cost and see what happens. Or come up with a weekend only option on those unsold seats. Why not at least try SOMETHING rather than having empty seats?

In the end, they obviously need to look at the entire pricing structure and adapt to the demand. To keep things the same as they were last season, to me, would be shouting from the rooftop "we asked for your feedback, and just don't care what the fans and alumni think". I'm not saying that's what I expect however. I expect something to change when renewal offers come out.


Priced off of last year the cost would be $30 per ticket in the Platinum seating, and OBC would get none of that. To price them at "two, maybe three times the season ticket holder's cost and see what happens", would be $60-$90 a ticket. That would be more than OSU is charging for a base game against our level of opponents. So, though I may agree with your statement to "see what happens", (after all, I do not believe in the do nothing approach), but the economics of a $60-90 or even a $45 ticket is very appealing to our fan base.
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   Posted: 5/1/2019 4:48:57 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Man, I sure hope the ghost town that is the lower bowl sees more filled seats next year.....



Tell your ticket staff to change the pricing structure..



Well, my understanding is virtually all the empty lower bowl seats are sold out every year. So I'm just hoping all those people show up.

I'm like McKinney, I show up no matter what.

Hopefully us Bobcatattackers can rally and recruit more buddies to attend. I'm working on 2-4 buddies right now.



Not sold out every year, just in the past they refuse to sell them as single game tickets, because priced out they would be cheaper than the person buying the season ticket and their OBC club contribution.


Obviously, for the sake of filling those seats, they need to find a way to sell the single game, unsold seats on a game by game basis. Price them accordingly so that those who have season tickets in those areas are very clearly getting the best deal. As someone said earlier, price them at two, maybe three times the season ticket holder's cost and see what happens. Or come up with a weekend only option on those unsold seats. Why not at least try SOMETHING rather than having empty seats?

In the end, they obviously need to look at the entire pricing structure and adapt to the demand. To keep things the same as they were last season, to me, would be shouting from the rooftop "we asked for your feedback, and just don't care what the fans and alumni think". I'm not saying that's what I expect however. I expect something to change when renewal offers come out.


Priced off of last year the cost would be $30 per ticket in the Platinum seating, and OBC would get none of that. To price them at "two, maybe three times the season ticket holder's cost and see what happens", would be $60-$90 a ticket. That would be more than OSU is charging for a base game against our level of opponents. So, though I may agree with your statement to "see what happens", (after all, I do not believe in the do nothing approach), but the economics of a $60-90 or even a $45 ticket is very appealing to our fan base.


I agree $60-$90 isn't appealing. I do think $45 would be a fair price point for those seats that go unsold as season tickets. There has to be a better way than the last couple years' status quo. Maybe even work in a fee that ends up being for OBC. I don't know what they're able to do legally, or with NCAA rules.
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   Posted: 5/1/2019 10:13:41 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
, but the economics of a $60-90 or even a $45 ticket is very appealing to our fan base.


I agree $60-$90 isn't appealing. I do think $45 would be a fair price point for those seats that go unsold as season tickets. There has to be a better way than the last couple years' status quo. Maybe even work in a fee that ends up being for OBC. I don't know what they're able to do legally, or with NCAA rules.


I may be misreading this but I think he is saying it IS appealing while you are agreeing that it ISN'T

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longtiimelurker wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
, but the economics of a $60-90 or even a $45 ticket is very appealing to our fan base.


I agree $60-$90 isn't appealing. I do think $45 would be a fair price point for those seats that go unsold as season tickets. There has to be a better way than the last couple years' status quo. Maybe even work in a fee that ends up being for OBC. I don't know what they're able to do legally, or with NCAA rules.


I may be misreading this but I think he is saying it IS appealing while you are agreeing that it ISN'T



Should be isn’t very appealing. No way would I suggest that price point for lower bowl tickets.
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   Posted: 5/2/2019 9:50:23 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
, but the economics of a $60-90 or even a $45 ticket is very appealing to our fan base.


I agree $60-$90 isn't appealing. I do think $45 would be a fair price point for those seats that go unsold as season tickets. There has to be a better way than the last couple years' status quo. Maybe even work in a fee that ends up being for OBC. I don't know what they're able to do legally, or with NCAA rules.


I may be misreading this but I think he is saying it IS appealing while you are agreeing that it ISN'T



Should be isn’t very appealing. No way would I suggest that price point for lower bowl tickets.


I'm just glad this is being discussed, and if it hasn't been suggested to Schaus et al yet I'll write an email today. I'm in the target audience for these seats. I make it to Athens from Michigan for one basketball game per year. Would I pay $45 per ticket for those seats? Definitely. Would I pay $60 each? Very likely.
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