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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 1:46:05 PM 
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1108422858093613057

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 1:53:29 PM by The Optimist


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Chicken George
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:13:56 PM 
First of all, other than trying to ensure next year is not a total disaster, the current players have little leverage IMO. You've finished in the bottom three the last two year, you have no room to pound your first and pout.

Secondly, other than 3-5 players maximum, this is a scrape and rebuild IMO (again). Players are individuals who chose OHIO, we chose them and I fault them none in accepting a scholarship. It's an honor and in many cases, these guys chose their best offer, along with where they wanted to go. We obviously know transferring could be a traumatic experience, especially if you don't want to go. However from purely a basketball perspective, once again, I'd guess only a few qualify as building blocks moving forward. I would however include Jason into one of the 3-5 keepers.

Third, I heard rumor that if SP went, Jason would go too. I gather that the rumor was accurate. Which leads me to my uneducated opinion on this topic realizing I do not know JC or SP, or the inner working of maybe JC was just unhappy. However, from a distance, it feels like an emotional/irrational decision for 2 reasons:

1) JC is at the right level. I don't think he can play at a higher level and have near the impact he has here. He's on the promotional poster for this OHIO team the next 2 years. Leading scorer, focal point--he's the man. He transfer to a higher level, I don't think he's on that poster. He's solid, he's good, he's the best we got--but remember his peers thought him as 3rd team MAC good too?

2) He's burned his redshirt year meaning he's got 2 years left and will have to sit out 1 (pending appeal). If you're really miserable, then maybe that's a warranted decision. On the other hand, if you're making an emotional decision and trying to prove a point, you may be "winning the war" ("ya see, I told you I'd leave and I did--take that--I love you SP, this is for you!") and "losing the battle" ("I just burned 50% of my eligibility for a guy I may not see 10x the rest of my life.") Simply appears shortsighted. Sleep on a few days buddy and get some solid advice.

Bottom line, he's one of the few I'd like to see stay and I'm sorry this is the route he's chosen. Hate to sound cold blooded, but it's a performance business--win more games, this doesn't happen. Same will be true in the business world and any other performance based organization you may be apart of in the future.

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 2:32:08 PM by Chicken George

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:14:53 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1108422858093613057



Oops. That would really hurt, but whatever makes him happy. Heís got the stats to get some good offers.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:30:56 PM 
There's plenty of schools bigger than us that would gladly accept Jason. Sucks this is the way it is now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:44:28 PM 
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:49:35 PM 
He should give Boals a shot, he can graduate next year and transfer without sitting out.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:50:13 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 2:56:55 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



These two scenarios are in no way in the same orbit.

Unless you think people shouldn't be able to send out resumes to other employers while being employed by someone else. Because that's essentially what Carter is doing.

He can remain at this "job," but he's also able to search for a better situation for him.

But, yeah, him looking to see if he can change basketball programs just like asking to break an oath you took with the person you love most and before God. They're exactly the same.



Last Edited: 3/20/2019 2:58:41 PM by .

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:07:54 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



These two scenarios are in no way in the same orbit.

Unless you think people shouldn't be able to send out resumes to other employers while being employed by someone else. Because that's essentially what Carter is doing.

He can remain at this "job," but he's also able to search for a better situation for him.

But, yeah, him looking to see if he can change basketball programs just like asking to break an oath you took with the person you love most and before God. They're exactly the same.


Letís just go with the job resume analogy. I donít think that it is normally done in such a public way, at least I havenít done that.

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 3:10:12 PM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:09:05 PM 
Doesn't seem to make sense to have two years remaining and burn one of them to sit out a year...but whatever. If you don't want to play for the new coach, you don't have to play for the new coach...his decision.

But in my opinion...he's a good MAC player, but I don't think he'll do as well or play as many minutes for a Power 5 school.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:09:17 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



These two scenarios are in no way in the same orbit.

Unless you think people shouldn't be able to send out resumes to other employers while being employed by someone else. Because that's essentially what Carter is doing.

He can remain at this "job," but he's also able to search for a better situation for him.

But, yeah, him looking to see if he can change basketball programs just like asking to break an oath you took with the person you love most and before God. They're exactly the same.





Exactly, I look at this as Carter exploring his options -- nothing more or less. It's possible that he'll decide to leave, but I really don't think this means it's by any means inevitable. He probably wants to see how he gets along with Boals and how he fits into Boals' plans.

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 3:09:36 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:15:32 PM 
The way I see this is that the players wanted to play for Saul. They probably didnít see Saul the same as some did on here. They probably see the injuries as noncontrollable issues-not excuses as to why they werenít successful. They probably care less about Boleís connection to Ohio, they werenít even born yet when he played.

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 3:27:03 PM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:17:07 PM 
I get somewhat salty when guys transfer when a regime is in place, they've gotten playing time, they've been treated well. Simmons irked me, even though he did what he has the right to do.

But when there's a coaching change, I'm all for guys finding another spot. It's easy to say you're committing to a program and not a coach, but that's really not how it works.

Who your coach is IS what the program is. Different systems, relationships, every assistant is different, cultural differences...all of that stems from a coaching change.

It's why guys who stay should be applauded all the louder and the guys who leave should be given understanding.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:25:43 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
I get somewhat salty when guys transfer when a regime is in place, they've gotten playing time, they've been treated well. Simmons irked me, even though he did what he has the right to do.

But when there's a coaching change, I'm all for guys finding another spot. It's easy to say you're committing to a program and not a coach, but that's really not how it works.

Who your coach is IS what the program is. Different systems, relationships, every assistant is different, cultural differences...all of that stems from a coaching change.

It's why guys who stay should be applauded all the louder and the guys who leave should be given understanding.


Good take. Let him explore the world out there. Culture is a huge thing these days and people value it at every level- whether its sports or every day employment. The Boals program may not be for him. Or his loyalty to Saul makes it hard for him to play at Ohio under anyone else. That all can be appreciated. Next year is going to be tough no matter what because its all transition and maybe he sees that too...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 3:54:33 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



The wife in this analogy was just replaced by an entirely new person. And the house is in her name. And you're not sure if she's going to let you continue to live there or not. Maybe its a good idea to check out a few apartment complexes. Not sign any leases, but at least go and see how the units are laid out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 4:11:21 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



These two scenarios are in no way in the same orbit.

Unless you think people shouldn't be able to send out resumes to other employers while being employed by someone else. Because that's essentially what Carter is doing.

He can remain at this "job," but he's also able to search for a better situation for him.

But, yeah, him looking to see if he can change basketball programs just like asking to break an oath you took with the person you love most and before God. They're exactly the same.




You're using the right words: job and employer
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 4:14:05 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



The wife in this analogy was just replaced by an entirely new person. And the house is in her name. And you're not sure if she's going to let you continue to live there or not. Maybe its a good idea to check out a few apartment complexes. Not sign any leases, but at least go and see how the units are laid out.


I'm no divorce lawyer, but shouldn't the Convo be the house in this analogy?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 4:19:39 PM 
SO we are sure that he would have to sit out a year and then only play 1 year with his new team? If that is the case, that would be a pretty crazy move. If a transfer means you have to play 0 basketball your Junior year, why not just stay and play your Junior year and then either realize you're happy with the new guy and stay or do a graduate transfer somewhere else. I would be shocked if Jason would be willing to forfeit an entire season of his playing career.

A President of the Jason Carter fan club this would devastate me. I will admit Carter struggled some with double teams this season and his outside shot was not as good as he is capable...and yet in spite of all that he was still clearly one of the best players on the court every game.

Keeping Carter would go a long way to helping the transition, both in being competitive upfront and helping to lead the program. I'll be sweating and worried until this is resolved.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 4:48:05 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Brian Smith wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, entering the portal means that you're exploring a transfer. It does not mean that you have decided to do so nor that you're committed to doing so.


Right. Tell your wife you'd like to date around. See how long that relationship lasts.



These two scenarios are in no way in the same orbit.

Unless you think people shouldn't be able to send out resumes to other employers while being employed by someone else. Because that's essentially what Carter is doing.

He can remain at this "job," but he's also able to search for a better situation for him.

But, yeah, him looking to see if he can change basketball programs just like asking to break an oath you took with the person you love most and before God. They're exactly the same.


Letís just go with the job resume analogy. I donít think that it is normally done in such a public way, at least I havenít done that.



Exactly and in this situaton where the job demands teamwork and trust, looking around does not support or build that trust. It delives the message loud and clear, "this is all about me."

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 5:13:01 PM 
I hope this is just a knee-jerk reaction to Saul's firing and not something personal between him and Boals. If so, I hope he reconsiders and stays at Ohio. He's about the best we have among those who would be coming back. Boals has been around long enough to realize this is all part of the business of college basketball. The coaching staff and the other players aren't likely to take his checking out transfer interest personally.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 5:52:43 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Doesn't seem to make sense to have two years remaining and burn one of them to sit out a year...but whatever. If you don't want to play for the new coach, you don't have to play for the new coach...his decision.

But in my opinion...he's a good MAC player, but I don't think he'll do as well or play as many minutes for a Power 5 school.


Boals even mentioned in his presser, "If you don't want to be here, we will make arrangements to suit your needs" but hopefully Boals and Jason will have a good set down and resolve all this.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 6:23:18 PM 
My guess is that he would be immediately eligible. I'm sure he will graduate early this summer.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 6:33:44 PM 
Carter could transfer to Belmont and be the backup center and get to play seven minutes a game. If he thinks most ACC or SEC or Big 12 schools will be ringing his phone off the hook with glee that he wants to transfer, he needs to revisit the plight of Jaaron Simmons, currently playing for Union Neuch‚tel of the Swiss Basketball League.

His best bet would be to keep his pants on and stay put. A bird in the hand is often better than hoping the grass is greener on the other side.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 6:39:32 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Exactly and in this situation where the job demands teamwork and trust, looking around does not support or build that trust. It delives the message loud and clear, "this is all about me."



Kinda like the message Boals gave when he left his team at Stony Brook. Works both ways - and it should.

This is not a knee jerk reaction. Carter has known Saul was leaving since the new year - we all have. My guess is he graduates in the spring and is immediately eligible and/or is granted his release and is immediately eligible - just not in conference. Either way, no hard feelings. I also would guess that there have been backdoor talks since the new years with potential landing spots. He knows who wants him and what potential playing time awaits.

He will also wait to see if/where Saul lands before making a decision. And don't think for a minute that Saul doesn't already have a couple of potential paths in place - again, I'm sure he has been quietly exploring opportunities since Jan 1 - as any of us would have been if our employment was heading towards termination.

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 6:51:55 PM by cc-cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carter to Transfer?
   Posted: 3/20/2019 6:40:53 PM 
If that QB from OSU can go to Miami Fla. without sitting out, I assume Jason can do the same. If not he should PM me. I know some good lawyers.

Hate to lose him. But will respect him if he made it known he was leaving if Phillips was let go and then follows through with that plan.

Also, if Carter and Dartis leave.... my goodness... Boals may want to rent....

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 6:47:47 PM by Ohio69


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