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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/4/2019 11:30:39 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Jerry86 wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Actual things I've read about John Groce through the years on this site.

"John Groce is overrated."
"John Groce owes his career to Armon Bassett."
"John Groce just got lucky in March...that's all."
"John Groce got a great draw facing Michigan and South Florida in the NCAA Tournament."
"I'd rather have a coach that wins regular season MAC Championships than a coach who hung a Sweet 16 banner."
"The bottom line is he is a coach who, in 10 completed conference seasons as a head coach has won double digit conference games ONE TIME, finished above .500 just two times, and never finished better than .500 in the Big Ten. That's a whole lot of losses, a whole lot of inconsistency, a whole lot of mediocrity."

However, I do remember a few on here who supported what I've always said about Groce. This quote stuck out from Buck.Cat

"People still do not realize how good we had it with Groce."

Thanks Buck...we were reminded of just that on a day when we celebrated 50 years of basketball at The Convo.

February 2, 2019
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Year 2 of Groce Akron Era 65
Year 5 of Saul Ohio Era 53
(And if you watched the game...you know Akron could have won this by 30 if it wanted too)

I guess it's only fitting that on the most anticipated day of the home hoops schedule this season that Groce drops the hammer on Saul. Dear lord almighty I have never, ever been more embarrassed to be an Ohio Bobcats basketball fan. That was atrocious today. March 17th can't get here soon enough.


And JC has been rumored to be out at BC, after destroying what JG left for him at OU. What would you think of this: bring Groce back to Athens?!!!!


Hahahaha. Christian "destroyed" what Groce left? Christian won 74% of MAC games here; Groce 53%. We all acknowledge Groce had one good year here. Heck, after 3 years in Athens he was 23- 25 in MAC games (7-9, 7-9, 9-7). His 4 years here were 6th, 5th, 3rd and 3rd in conference play; Christian was 1st and 3rd. Christian followed Groce's 9-7 year with 14-2. That is destroying things? And you want to bring him back? Based on what? His 36% winning percentage in MAC games at Akron? Would he bring thugs who get into fights also?



Wait a minute Jerry....we aren't allowed to discuss an Ohio player shooting 27% from the field in nine MAC games. A player that his own coach referenced in a post-game interview following a terrible team performance, but you just called some 19-21 year old Akron players...thugs. Alrighty then.



Sounds like a Gman post, where it’s ok to accuse an Akron player of academic fraud with zero proof, by do not criticize the 2:1 turnover to assist ratio 🤦🏼‍♂️
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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 1:37:44 AM 
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 10:53:29 AM 
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


+1 This is an excellent summary!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 11:01:22 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


+1 This is an excellent summary!


I almost agree with the oil can man; good summary.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 1:23:44 PM 
We'll see what Groce Ball can do with the rest of this season. After beating us, Akron was 5-3 in the MAC, against the lower 2/3 of the league. Now seven of Akron's last ten games are against the top four teams in the league. They started with a loss at Toledo to drop to 5-4. Remaining are home-and-homes vs Kent, Buffalo and BG, plus a trip to Muncie and home games vs Fiami (who they lost to) and Ohio. They'll have their work cut out for them just to get a first round home game.


Actually, the phrase is "Ohio on the Charles."

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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 2:02:31 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


+1 This is an excellent summary!



It is a nice summary...for fans that only pay attention in March.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 2:15:53 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


+1 This is an excellent summary!



It is a nice summary...for fans that only pay attention in March.


That works for me. I like those banners that Groce hung in the Convo. You can have Saul's body of work over the past five years...I'll pass on that.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 2:48:55 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


+1 This is an excellent summary!



It is a nice summary...for fans that only pay attention in March.


That works for me. I like those banners that Groce hung in the Convo. You can have Saul's body of work over the past five years...I'll pass on that.


I agree. The excitement has left the building. It started leaving the program 6 years ago. Now there is none left. Coach Phillips tenure has been terribly disappointing to say the least.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 4:33:25 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


+1 This is an excellent summary!



It is a nice summary...for fans that only pay attention in March.


That works for me. I like those banners that Groce hung in the Convo. You can have Saul's body of work over the past five years...I'll pass on that.


I agree. The excitement has left the building. It started leaving the program 6 years ago. Now there is none left. Coach Phillips tenure has been terribly disappointing to say the least.


I loved the run at NCAA with the near win against UNC. I still wonder why JC left after that run. If another run at the NCAA was a sure thing why not stay one more year? Hecwouldn’t had To settle for Illinois. If he was the coach that made all the moving parts work then why not do what it would take to keep him here. Not defending JC’s coaching style or results but he was here because JG left- maybe he had a gut feeling that it was a slim chance for a MAC team to do something magical 2 years in a row.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 5:08:18 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:


It is a nice summary...for fans that only pay attention in March.


Meh...more like fans that think March is what’s important. Neither the college nor NBA regular season are built to really matter a whole lot, if they WERE important, regular season champions would automatically make the NCAA’s which they don’t.

Also, MAC games on a random Tuesday are not something you can regularly see in Orlando.

I was a cheerleader during my time at OU, so I was at every home game (save one my senior year when I came down with pneumonia). So again FWIW:

What I remember about the O’shea Years:

The crowd being so rowdy during a home game against Akron that the refs threatened a technical foul if we didn’t settle down - which of course incited the crowd even further.

TOS to any school not named Ohio University

Defending the castle

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ROtK_cetk
(If you look really close you can see me!!)

The magical tourney run, beating both Kent and Miami

18 point leads with 16 minutes to go? No problem

Watching Fears do a back flip late in the second half against Buffalo after playing every minute of the game up to that point

Something about a Leon Williams tip-in (I was fortunate to be mere feet from the basket when it went in)

A huge comeback against Florida that fell short - the next year that same Florida team won the National Championship

Being named the ‘it’ team by ESPN, just to fall flat the next year

Bobo the circus monkey and his ability to win 20 games in Athens

Last Edited: 2/7/2019 5:13:43 PM by OrlandoCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 5:15:00 PM 
OrlandoCat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:


It is a nice summary...for fans that only pay attention in March.


Meh...more like fans that think March is what’s important. Neither the college nor NBA regular season are built to really matter a whole lot, if they WERE important, regular season champions would automatically make the NCAA’s which they don’t.

Also, MAC games on a random Tuesday are not something you can regularly see in Orlando.

I was a cheerleader during my time at OU, so I was at every home game (save one my senior year when I came down with pneumonia). So again FWIW:

What I remember about the O’shea Years:

The crowd being so rowdy during a home game against Akron that the refs threatened a technical foul if we didn’t settle down - which of course incited the crowd even further.

TOS to any school not named Ohio University

Defending the castle

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ROtK_cetk

The magical tourney run, beating both Kent and Miami

18 point leads with 16 minutes to go? No problem

Watching Fears do a back flip late in the second half against Buffalo after playing every minute of the game up to that point

Something about a Leon Williams tip-in (I was fortunate to be mere feet from the basket when it went in)

A huge comeback against Florida that fell short - the next year that same Florida team won the National Championship

Being named the ‘it’ team by ESPN, just to fall flat the next year



The key distinction here is saying "March matters more". March is not the only thing that matters. In my opinion, in one bid conferences, it's pretty ridiculous to say it's all that matters because it's a total crap shoot to even get there. For anyone who is a regular on this board, it's pretty obvious that more than just March is important for most of us.

But I get it - I don't start giving a darn about the CBJ until about a month before the playoffs. Some are that way towards March Madness. I don't get it, but I acknowledge that's the way it is for the bandwagon fans of college basketball.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 6:24:28 PM 
OrlandoCat wrote:
For what it’s worth:

What I remember from the Groce years:

Screaming “No Chance” at Andy Katz after beating Georgetown and then revealing in him crying about it on ESPN

Beating Michigan and wondering out loud if they knew which ‘Ohio’ they were playing yet.

Beating USF in the round of 32 followed by Mid-Majority paint their website hunter green and claiming ‘we’re all Bobcats now’ on their title page.

Coming within a missed free-throw(!!) of beating UNC in regulation after an amazing comeback in the second half and being congratulated by people in a sports bar in Orlando for MY team’s gutty performance.

What I remember from the Christian years:

Flaming out in the MAC Championship Game

Flaming out in the NIT

N’dour could speak 4 languages

Wondering if Boston College was really a better job.

What I remember from the Saul years:

There have been a lot of injuries.


We missed a lot here.

Groce

-The Mo Pearson incident

-Armon Bassett's arrest

-Stevie Fresssshhhhhhhhhhhh


Christian

-Getting blown out by Belmont

-Ivo Baltic's non-existence


Saul

-Tony Campbell winning MAC POTY

-Jaaron Simmons leaving

-Ryan Taylor leaving

-Saul's wife beating cancer





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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/7/2019 9:36:40 PM 
To be fair OrlandoCat's original post cited what he remembered best about each era of Bobcat basketball, not what he said was most important. I must confess those are the kinds of things that I too remember most. It's not that the regular season is ignored. I attend nearly every home game and root as hard as I can. But, in football they say, "What they'll remember is November." In basketball, it's, "What they remember is March." While not as alliterative, it's just as true, IMHO.

Last Edited: 2/7/2019 10:35:52 PM by OhioCatFan


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   Posted: 2/7/2019 9:45:07 PM 
I always get a kick out of the fanatics that feel they have earned the right to dictate how others should be consuming their sports. Newsflash, people gain heightened interest in college basketball in March and the Dance.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/8/2019 6:46:07 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
. . . in football they say, "What they'll remember is November." In basketball, it's, "What they remember is March." While not as alliterative, it's just as true, IMHO.


Both sayings are equally alliterative.
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   Posted: 2/8/2019 10:10:08 AM 

bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
. . . in football they say, "What they'll remember is November." In basketball, it's, "What they remember is March." While not as alliterative, it's just as true, IMHO.


Both sayings are equally alliterative. 

I'm very curious what accent you speak with! smiley wink cheeky


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  Message Not Read  RE: Groce Ball 65 Saul Ball 53
   Posted: 2/9/2019 8:22:47 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
We'll see what Groce Ball can do with the rest of this season. After beating us, Akron was 5-3 in the MAC, against the lower 2/3 of the league. Now seven of Akron's last ten games are against the top four teams in the league. They started with a loss at Toledo to drop to 5-4. Remaining are home-and-homes vs Kent, Buffalo and BG, plus a trip to Muncie and home games vs Fiami (who they lost to) and Ohio. They'll have their work cut out for them just to get a first round home game.


Kent State 53
Akron 72



Last Edited: 2/9/2019 8:22:57 AM by FearLeon


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   Posted: 2/9/2019 11:57:28 AM 
I watched the Akron-Kent game last night. Man can Akron defend. If they ever put it all together on the offensive side, like they did last night in the 2nd half, they're going to be a really tough out and make some noise in the conference tournament.
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   Posted: 2/9/2019 12:03:36 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
I watched the Akron-Kent game last night. Man can Akron defend. If they ever put it all together on the offensive side, like they did last night in the 2nd half, they're going to be a really tough out and make some noise in the conference tournament.


Careful with Groce praise here Graff. Remember, Groce can't coach and he got lucky at Ohio with March success.

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   Posted: 2/9/2019 1:59:10 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
We'll see what Groce Ball can do with the rest of this season. After beating us, Akron was 5-3 in the MAC, against the lower 2/3 of the league. Now seven of Akron's last ten games are against the top four teams in the league. They started with a loss at Toledo to drop to 5-4. Remaining are home-and-homes vs Kent, Buffalo and BG, plus a trip to Muncie and home games vs Fiami (who they lost to) and Ohio. They'll have their work cut out for them just to get a first round home game.


Kent State 53
Akron 72


Why the post? It isn't March yet--not even late February.

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   Posted: 2/9/2019 2:46:36 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I watched the Akron-Kent game last night. Man can Akron defend. If they ever put it all together on the offensive side, like they did last night in the 2nd half, they're going to be a really tough out and make some noise in the conference tournament.


Careful with Groce praise here Graff. Remember, Groce can't coach and he got lucky at Ohio with March success.


And he has a blistering all time record of 46- 46 in the super tough MAC.

Maybe Duke will hire him to replace Coach K down the road .. lol

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   Posted: 2/9/2019 11:07:37 PM 
Jerry86 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I watched the Akron-Kent game last night. Man can Akron defend. If they ever put it all together on the offensive side, like they did last night in the 2nd half, they're going to be a really tough out and make some noise in the conference tournament.


Careful with Groce praise here Graff. Remember, Groce can't coach and he got lucky at Ohio with March success.


And he has a blistering all time record of 46- 46 in the super tough MAC.

Maybe Duke will hire him to replace Coach K down the road .. lol




We get it Jerry....Groce was and is sub-par in your eyes. I hope you've enjoyed all the participation ribbons and trophies during the last 5 years of #SaulBall


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   Posted: 2/9/2019 11:14:59 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Jerry86 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I watched the Akron-Kent game last night. Man can Akron defend. If they ever put it all together on the offensive side, like they did last night in the 2nd half, they're going to be a really tough out and make some noise in the conference tournament.


Careful with Groce praise here Graff. Remember, Groce can't coach and he got lucky at Ohio with March success.


And he has a blistering all time record of 46- 46 in the super tough MAC.

Maybe Duke will hire him to replace Coach K down the road .. lol




We get it Jerry....Groce was and is sub-par in your eyes. I hope you've enjoyed all the participation ribbons and trophies during the last 5 years of #SaulBall


Haha. Sorry that FACTS get you so riled up. Deal with them.

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   Posted: 2/9/2019 11:19:39 PM 
Jerry86 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Jerry86 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I watched the Akron-Kent game last night. Man can Akron defend. If they ever put it all together on the offensive side, like they did last night in the 2nd half, they're going to be a really tough out and make some noise in the conference tournament.


Careful with Groce praise here Graff. Remember, Groce can't coach and he got lucky at Ohio with March success.


And he has a blistering all time record of 46- 46 in the super tough MAC.

Maybe Duke will hire him to replace Coach K down the road .. lol




We get it Jerry....Groce was and is sub-par in your eyes. I hope you've enjoyed all the participation ribbons and trophies during the last 5 years of #SaulBall


Haha. Sorry that FACTS get you so riled up. Deal with them.



FACTS: Two Groce coached Ohio teams in four years made the NCAA Tournament and won NCAA Tourney games in each big dance appearance.

FACTS: Five #SaulBall coached Ohio led teams in five years made ZERO NCAA Tournaments.

I don't get riled up when it comes to this topic. I let the banners that Groce hung in the Convo speak for themselves. You can go back to counting your participation ribbons now.

Last Edited: 2/9/2019 11:44:55 PM by FearLeon


#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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   Posted: 2/10/2019 1:29:35 AM 
Jerry86 wrote:


Haha. Sorry that FACTS get you so riled up. Deal with them.



I’m sorry, do you actually prefer losing in the MAC semis over making it to the sweet 16?
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