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Topic:  RE: Coach Phillips' future
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/19/2018 4:05:33 PM 
SBH wrote:

He's been in the locker room following each FB win. I met him at an away game, leading cheers. What more do you expect - he has a university to run and lots of constituencies not to ignore/piss off.



I may be tainted by the fact that I thought that Nellis was the least desirable of the 3 non O.U. candidates for President.

To me,he doesn't come off as "genuine".

As far as how he deals with sports,we'll find out when he has to deal with his first major coaching or AD decision.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/19/2018 5:29:57 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:

He's been in the locker room following each FB win. I met him at an away game, leading cheers. What more do you expect - he has a university to run and lots of constituencies not to ignore/piss off.



I may be tainted by the fact that I thought that Nellis was the least desirable of the 3 non O.U. candidates for President.

To me,he doesn't come off as "genuine".

As far as how he deals with sports,we'll find out when he has to deal with his first major coaching or AD decision.




rpbobcat, you actually used a word that I think fits my impression, also. I hadn't actually articulated it, even silently in my brain, but when you said "not genuine" it struck a cord. Again, you and I may be wrong, as first impressions can be misguided, but that's kind of the way I'm leaning too.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/22/2018 10:09:11 AM 
I found some exclusive footage of Sauls next recruiting class and offense schemes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hckLnTlE9VE

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/22/2018 11:06:04 AM 
bobcat28 wrote:
I found some exclusive footage of Sauls next recruiting class and offense schemes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hckLnTlE9VE



Lol, that is dead wrong.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/22/2018 11:51:24 AM 
Too true and damn funny. Any film on Buffalo's next class? I'm thinking Phi Slamma Jamma.

Last Edited: 12/22/2018 11:58:51 AM by SBH

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/22/2018 12:29:47 PM 
SBH wrote:
Too true and damn funny. Any film on Buffalo's next class? I'm thinking Phi Slamma Jamma.


Personally a fan of the Doctors of Dunk....then again, this game I think is one of the best games for dunks ever.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaEyGWuAxjM
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/23/2018 11:28:11 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:


I may be tainted by the fact that I thought that Nellis was the least desirable of the 3 non O.U. candidates for President.

To me,he doesn't come off as "genuine".

As far as how he deals with sports,we'll find out when he has to deal with his first major coaching or AD decision.



Nellis is as much of a figurehead as any President we've had. Much like you see in primary/secondary education, you could consider him to be on "early retirement". He abdicates the vast majority of decision-making, and is essentially letting the finance office run the university.

He is, at best, a "neutral" influence to athletics - and, at worst, a detriment. On a campus like ours, you need a president who is an active supporter (McDavis). If/when Saul is gone, I'd expect a pretty lackluster hire given the support (or lack thereof) of upper administration.
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   Posted: 12/23/2018 7:21:10 PM 
Easy call here. Jeff Boals should be hired at seasons end..
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   Posted: 12/24/2018 9:33:29 AM 
BuddyLee wrote:
Easy call here. Jeff Boals should be hired at seasons end..


This job is a lot less attractive than it was five years ago. The salary may well not be as good. Attendance is way down. Buffalo is dominating the conference. It's pretty much a rebuild job. What makes you think Boals or any other experienced and successful D-1 head coach wants this job?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/24/2018 10:00:47 AM 
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BuddyLee wrote:
Easy call here. Jeff Boals should be hired at seasons end..


This job is a lot less attractive than it was five years ago. The salary may well not be as good. Attendance is way down. Buffalo is dominating the conference. It's pretty much a rebuild job. What makes you think Boals or any other experienced and successful D-1 head coach wants this job?


Not only that, why is it it's a slam dunk that he's the man for the job? He's got two years remaining on his deal. Who knows what the buyout would entail and his current record is worse than Saul's was entering his 14th game of year 3. Sentimentally I would love to see Jeff Boals come to Ohio and do a great job but if he wasn't Jeff Boals would anybody be looking at his resume and saying "Hey, that's the guy we have to have!"
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/25/2018 8:57:08 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I agree with rpbobcat's impression of Nellis. I hope that we are both wrong. Sometimes first impression are correct and at other times they are not. So far though, his unwillingness to embrace a First Amendment policy similar to that of the University of Chicago's is disheartening. He has been presented with it by a member of the journalism faculty and so far he seems not to have the guts to propose it.
Here for the record is Chicago's policy:
https://tinyurl.com/y98qor45
For those who don't want to look at the link, here's the key part: Fundamentally, however, the University is committed to the principle that it may not restrict debate or deliberation because the ideas put forth are thought to be offensive, unwise, immoral, or wrong-headed. It is for the members of the University community to make those judgments for themselves. As a corollary to this commitment, members of the University community must also act in conformity with this principle. Although faculty, students and staff are free to criticize, contest and condemn the yviews expressed on campus, they may not obstruct, disrupt, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of others to express views they reject or even loathe. For members of the University community, as for the University itself, the proper response to ideas they find offensive, unwarranted and dangerous is not interference, obstruction, or suppression. It is, instead, to engage in robust counter-speech that challenges the merits of those ideas and exposes them for what they are. To this end, the University has a solemn responsibility not only to promote a lively and fearless freedom of debate and deliberation, but also to protect that freedom when others attempt to restrict it.
For the record, this policy at Chicago goes way back to the 1930s, when my father was a student at UC. At that time Robert Hutchins, known by the students as the "boy wonder president" because he was only 30 when appointed to that position, was a fierce defender of free speech rights. His ideas were later more fully developed at UC under the auspices of the Hutchins Commission (aka Commission of Freedom of the Press) during World War II.


Hutchins was also at the helm when University of Chicago de-emphasizied athletics and dropped competitive football.

As far as President Nellis goes, Charles Ping was viewed similarly relating to his passion regarding athletics. However, under his watch, we made probably our top 1 or 2 basketball hires in bringing Danny Nee to Athens. Hoping Saul is able to deliver results so we donít need to evaluate such things for several years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/25/2018 11:42:14 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
BuddyLee wrote:
Easy call here. Jeff Boals should be hired at seasons end..


This job is a lot less attractive than it was five years ago. The salary may well not be as good. Attendance is way down. Buffalo is dominating the conference. It's pretty much a rebuild job. What makes you think Boals or any other experienced and successful D-1 head coach wants this job?


Not only that, why is it it's a slam dunk that he's the man for the job? He's got two years remaining on his deal. Who knows what the buyout would entail and his current record is worse than Saul's was entering his 14th game of year 3. Sentimentally I would love to see Jeff Boals come to Ohio and do a great job but if he wasn't Jeff Boals would anybody be looking at his resume and saying "Hey, that's the guy we have to have!"


Excellent point Van.



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   Posted: 12/26/2018 4:41:02 PM 
I have no issues with Boals.
1 Question....Does Boals have a buyout in his contact at Stony Brook?






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   Posted: 12/27/2018 11:07:36 AM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I have no issues with Boals.
1 Question....Does Boals have a buyout in his contact at Stony Brook?






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   Posted: 12/27/2018 5:08:54 PM 
I laugh at this silly conjecture. Maybe it's Pitino. The funnier thing is somebody really thinks that.
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   Posted: 12/27/2018 8:29:57 PM 
giacomo wrote:
I laugh at this silly conjecture. Maybe it's Pitino. The funnier thing is somebody really thinks that.


Defense mechanisms, change is difficult.


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   Posted: 12/28/2018 9:22:11 AM 
What I have heard is that the President is not as committed to Athletics as our previous. He can't justify paying Saul what he is without the results.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/28/2018 10:52:04 AM 
WishIWasAtLuckys wrote:
What I have heard is that the President is not as committed to Athletics as our previous. He can't justify paying Saul what he is without the results.


Personally,I'm not sure he'd commit to paying Saul,if they decide to keep him,even with results.


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   Posted: 12/30/2018 4:37:31 PM 
Tough situation on Saul. But we're very young, we'll have a team back with experience, a team with potential that we need to keep. But we also need a strong incoming class. So I'd suck it up and give Saul 3 years right now. Happy New Year!
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   Posted: 12/30/2018 6:00:45 PM 
stub wrote:
Tough situation on Saul. But we're very young, we'll have a team back with experience, a team with potential that we need to keep. But we also need a strong incoming class. So I'd suck it up and give Saul 3 years right now. Happy New Year!


As a guy who's been a Saul supporter, I can't say the same. If I were in Schaus' shoes, I'd invest in someone similar to JG who is very aggressive, hope to retain as many guys as possible, and move forward.



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   Posted: 12/30/2018 6:26:15 PM 
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Tough situation on Saul. But we're very young, we'll have a team back with experience, a team with potential that we need to keep. But we also need a strong incoming class. So I'd suck it up and give Saul 3 years right now. Happy New Year!


We lose Taylor and Block who took 5 charges today. Some would call that glue. Those are pretty big losses from a 7 man rotation.

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   Posted: 12/30/2018 8:07:51 PM 
stub wrote:
Tough situation on Saul. But we're very young, we'll have a team back with experience, a team with potential that we need to keep. But we also need a strong incoming class. So I'd suck it up and give Saul 3 years right now. Happy New Year!


My god...are you celebrating New Year's eve a little early? Give Saul 3 years right now? I'll just pretend I didn't see this and move on.


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   Posted: 12/30/2018 10:10:05 PM 
Crazy idea just to throw gasoline on this fire: Bring back Groce.

You're telling me that, for a slight upgrade in salary from what he's getting at Akron, he wouldn't at least entertain it? Imagine we could even get some boosters to help augment that salary (as we had in place before he went to Illinois).

It's about as out-of-the-box as you can get. But I feel like, given the current state of the program (and our university administration), we need to get unorthodox. It's a move that wouldn't be unprecedented in college sports. Utah State just made a similar move to bring back Gary Andersen for their football program. Although, granted, they weren't stealing him away from a conference rival.
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   Posted: 12/30/2018 10:56:26 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
Crazy idea just to throw gasoline on this fire: Bring back Groce.

You're telling me that, for a slight upgrade in salary from what he's getting at Akron, he wouldn't at least entertain it? Imagine we could even get some boosters to help augment that salary (as we had in place before he went to Illinois).

It's about as out-of-the-box as you can get. But I feel like, given the current state of the program (and our university administration), we need to get unorthodox. It's a move that wouldn't be unprecedented in college sports. Utah State just made a similar move to bring back Gary Andersen for their football program. Although, granted, they weren't stealing him away from a conference rival.


Diverting that kind of money from a booster may severely hamper the naming rights package that is being put together for Peden and The Convo.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/31/2018 9:28:29 AM 
Steve Alfort might soon be available.

Last Edited: 12/31/2018 9:28:41 AM by bobcatsquared

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