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Chicken George
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 5:20:11 PM 
Gman wrote:
I believe Schaus already has his mind made up on Saul, that's why there's no extension on Saul's contract, Injuries or not, you recruit to have a deep bench and play those bench players which Saul has not in 5 years now, I hate to be the one to say this but, its gonna get worse before it gets better.


Let me first say, this season up this point has exceeded my expectations. We're not terrible and we could actually be decent, or pretty good. We're showing glimpses and many of the fans I speak to are surprise.

At the same time, I'm not sure how you put your thumb on this topic, but I think Gmans post is concise and is close to the answer with as few amount of words as possible. Bottom line, no matter how well we do this year I simply think this is not the long term answer and it's simply not a fit. Minds are made up. I used the term a while back and now I'm hearing it from other incredibly loyal, long time fans. Fans who you could count on going to road games, holiday tournaments, etc.. and they're just "blah" now and not nearly as into it as they've always been. The term I used was "fan apathy" and now I'm hearing it from others. For sure winning is a huge part of the equation, but it's just more boring/blah than I can ever remember it. And I know many want to blame it on "well, attendance is down everywhere," but my Facebook memories keep popping up from the years before SP and the energy was electric. It was fun to take friends and it was hard to find tickets in your section. Now, even when the team is looking better, its kind of "ehhh." Zero energy in the building and I'm not blaming that pretzels, restrooms, music, promotions or gameday atmosphere. Not sure how you put your thumb on that. Not sure if it's anyone's fault. But this is kind of an entertainment business and OHIO hoops just doesn't have "It" right now. Maybe that changes with a big run than energizes the fanbase, but right now I just don't see this arrangement being a long term answer, or one I'd like to extend. I think Gmans post summarizes some sentiment that many minds are made up that win or lose, we're just playing this year out for hopefully a better long term future and a different brand of ball moving forward. Not sure that's fair, but I think it's real for some fans.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 6:04:03 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Who won the game? Send in the clowns. There ought to be clowns. Donít bother theyíre here.


Having actually trained with Jon Towson, who wrote the definitive book on Clowning, I will take that as a compliment; after all, a three ring circus and this message board are far more entertaining than that total meltdown witnessed in Detroit last night. Didn't Toledo beat this team by forty points? I don't know about you, but I have more faith in my large clown shoes and the little fire truck that I run around in with my fellow Bobcattack.com companions than Coach Phillips' chances of leading this team to the promised land.

Being a dedicated Alum, I expect better product out on the floor from a guy who is getting paid a half-million dollars, win or lose.


Only clowns have expectations, I think Saul had some people at hello. As a human with compassion, I want to see him earn his extension in a way, but as a bobcat supporter I think about his recruiting and want to move on. If we extend him, we will have to buy him out in a few years or accept being a middle of the pack MAC team.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 10:01:49 PM 
This discussion, although spirited, is a bit premature. I hate to say this is going to come down to Cleveland, but this is clearly going to come down to Cleveland plain and simple. The only scenario it does not come down to Cleveland is if he rips off 15 wins in the league combined with beating Buffalo and/or Toledo during the season (personally feel these are the top two teams in the league). Feel free to disagree, but he's gotta put some meat on the table before it's a resounding yes.

That said, beating Marshall goes a long way. Just don't lose to Miami and we may talk contract in combination with many wins as well.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 10:18:18 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
This discussion, although spirited, is a bit premature. I hate to say this is going to come down to Cleveland, but this is clearly going to come down to Cleveland plain and simple. The only scenario it does not come down to Cleveland is if he rips off 15 wins in the league combined with beating Buffalo and/or Toledo during the season (personally feel these are the top two teams in the league). Feel free to disagree, but he's gotta put some meat on the table before it's a resounding yes.

That said, beating Marshall goes a long way. Just don't lose to Miami and we may talk contract in combination with many wins as well.


I agree that the Fire Saul talks is a tad premature. I also have a question, has anyone on here done an FIO Act request to see if Saul has been extended already, but without any publicity being given to it? There would be nothing illegal about a "silent extension." It would, however, be illegal not to divulge that information when presented with a FOI request. I'd give it 50/50 that Saul has already been extended, based on a few vague comments that I've heard.

Last Edited: 12/16/2018 10:19:02 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 10:35:06 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
This discussion, although spirited, is a bit premature. I hate to say this is going to come down to Cleveland, but this is clearly going to come down to Cleveland plain and simple. The only scenario it does not come down to Cleveland is if he rips off 15 wins in the league combined with beating Buffalo and/or Toledo during the season (personally feel these are the top two teams in the league). Feel free to disagree, but he's gotta put some meat on the table before it's a resounding yes.

That said, beating Marshall goes a long way. Just don't lose to Miami and we may talk contract in combination with many wins as well.


I agree that the Fire Saul talks is a tad premature. I also have a question, has anyone on here done an FIO Act request to see if Saul has been extended already, but without any publicity being given to it? There would be nothing illegal about a "silent extension." It would, however, be illegal not to divulge that information when presented with a FOI request. I'd give it 50/50 that Saul has already been extended, based on a few vague comments that I've heard.


I remember Arkley asking that over the summer and it never occurred. Sounded like he was going to finish out this contract and sees what happens. None of my guys inside have indicated it has at the moment so we'll see.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 10:41:33 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
This discussion, although spirited, is a bit premature. I hate to say this is going to come down to Cleveland, but this is clearly going to come down to Cleveland plain and simple. The only scenario it does not come down to Cleveland is if he rips off 15 wins in the league combined with beating Buffalo and/or Toledo during the season (personally feel these are the top two teams in the league). Feel free to disagree, but he's gotta put some meat on the table before it's a resounding yes.

That said, beating Marshall goes a long way. Just don't lose to Miami and we may talk contract in combination with many wins as well.


I agree that the Fire Saul talks is a tad premature. I also have a question, has anyone on here done an FIO Act request to see if Saul has been extended already, but without any publicity being given to it? There would be nothing illegal about a "silent extension." It would, however, be illegal not to divulge that information when presented with a FOI request. I'd give it 50/50 that Saul has already been extended, based on a few vague comments that I've heard.


Arkley did an FOI last year and he said no extension was given. I donít see why the AD would have done something this year. We could hire hundreds of coaches to finish 5th or 6th in MAC every year, our AD should look for a high major assistant that is known for recruiting like Groce and we will be back to competing. Saul has a mass exodus of bad Scihollies and brought in 3 bad schollies and two ok schollies, he cannot recruit at this level and he canít develop players, we may have to move on.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 10:51:04 PM 
allen & BtoB, you may be correct that there hasn't been an extension, but something could have been done since Arkley's request. I've just had some hints that something might have transpired before the season started, but I don't really have any inside information. It's just speculation by fans.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 11:13:19 PM 
The question I see for the few of you who thinks Saul Phillips deserves a long term extension what are you seeing in this coach? The winning percentage is mediocre and its built on much easier scheduling than the TOS and Hunter days. There is no evidence this team is going to be a player in the MAC this year. Had Ohio done something like won the Jamaica Classic and just dropped the game to Xavier I'd say evidence would be a lot more convincing.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 11:17:19 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The question I see for the few of you who thinks Saul Phillips deserves a long term extension what are you seeing in this coach? The winning percentage is mediocre and its built on much easier scheduling than the TOS and Hunter days. There is no evidence this team is going to be a player in the MAC this year. Had Ohio done something like won the Jamaica Classic and just dropped the game to Xavier I'd say evidence would be a lot more convincing.


Lots of guys who had not played together before, and the team appears to be getting better as the season goes along, rather than regressing. That's what I see. Admittedly, we'll know more once the conference season starts.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/16/2018 11:49:03 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The question I see for the few of you who thinks Saul Phillips deserves a long term extension what are you seeing in this coach? The winning percentage is mediocre and its built on much easier scheduling than the TOS and Hunter days. There is no evidence this team is going to be a player in the MAC this year. Had Ohio done something like won the Jamaica Classic and just dropped the game to Xavier I'd say evidence would be a lot more convincing.


Totally agree, it's just this delicate of a situation and especially coming off a 14-17 schedule with multiple duds in recruiting does a lot favors for a coach. Combine this with attendance (which I have openly griped about) and it won't be a question for the AD to figure out, it will be a bean counter's question based on the fan support given to the program. Again, I also understand a lot of you are allegedly salty by the negativity on this board and think it has driven folks away. May be true, but also consider has our style been fun to watch? Do folks give a crap where this program goes? Some of you are going to say absolutely, but does the attendance and social media chatter reflect that? I think not.
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   Posted: 12/17/2018 1:03:29 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen & BtoB, you may be correct that there hasn't been an extension, but something could have been done since Arkley's request. I've just had some hints that something might have transpired before the season started, but I don't really have any inside information. It's just speculation by fans.


We will just have to pay a buyout soon or hope that some high major AD gets drunk and takes him away from us. Ball State, buffalo and tiled will just gain more ground.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/17/2018 7:48:42 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
The question I see for the few of you who thinks Saul Phillips deserves a long term extension what are you seeing in this coach? The winning percentage is mediocre and its built on much easier scheduling than the TOS and Hunter days. There is no evidence this team is going to be a player in the MAC this year. Had Ohio done something like won the Jamaica Classic and just dropped the game to Xavier I'd say evidence would be a lot more convincing.


Lots of guys who had not played together before, and the team appears to be getting better as the season goes along, rather than regressing. That's what I see. Admittedly, we'll know more once the conference season starts.


To that end I did look at the NET rankings for this week. They have Ohio listed at 5th in the MAC which projects to about a 10-8 league record. If Ohio could upset Buffalo somewhere along the way that's a large talking point.


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2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
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   Posted: 12/17/2018 8:36:47 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The question I see for the few of you who thinks Saul Phillips deserves a long term extension what are you seeing in this coach? The winning percentage is mediocre and its built on much easier scheduling than the TOS and Hunter days. There is no evidence this team is going to be a player in the MAC this year. Had Ohio done something like won the Jamaica Classic and just dropped the game to Xavier I'd say evidence would be a lot more convincing.


Well whatever happens, the guy has truly been cursed with at Ohio:
- He turned Tony Campbell into a MAC POY and NBA prospect. Injured.
- He's consistently recruited All-MAC freshman team players (Dartis, Carter, Kirk)
- Dartis and Carter get injured
- He brought in two MAC POY caliber guys who end up finishing their careers in the Big 10 (Ryan Taylor, Jarron Simmons),
- He's had several solid mid-major type recruits bail for strange/confusing reasons (Crute, Culver, Butler, Gareri).

Man, that's some serious tough luck there.

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   Posted: 12/17/2018 8:51:09 AM 
(Recruiting): what you see now is what we have to go with in the future. It's gonna be virtually the same team then bring in McDay, who I think could be pretty good. And Wight, who looks to be in that mold of BVP and Carter though obviously not as polished or skilled as them, but it's the type of guy they recruit.

And with one open scholarship, I'm almost willing to guarantee that it's being saved for Jordy to come back OR getting someone in the late signing period if Jordy leaves or stops playing because of his hips.



(Playing against a zone): some of you watched a different game than me. Ohio was finding holes in the zone and that's how they got up 19 points. It wasn't the zone that killed them. It was when Detroit turned up pressure and Ohio lost focus on what they were trying to do. They got in a hurry and started turning the ball over.



(Phillips' future): as FearLeon has basically said for over a year now, he's got till the end of this contract to prove he can do it. Maybe he'll pull a rabbit out of the hat, maybe he won't. This team is actually pretty good if you see what they can do moving the ball and stopping teams defensively. And now they can actually rebound the ball and attack the glass. But my gosh, the turnovers...they are U-G-L-Y. Some of them are just mind boggling that college level players could make.

I was okay with the way SP handled Jaaron, because at least Jaaron at one point led the nation in assists and had excellent court vision. But both handling Bean and TK that same way will probably end up being Saul's downfall. They aren't distributors. They are scorers.

And that's fine! Let them score! I love the way TK attacks the glass, by the way. Probably one of the best rebounding guards I have seen in a while. And he's one of the only guys on the team willing to get into the paint on drives and those little floaters he does are great. But once he's asked to do too much it gets out of control.

Preston has to be the guy. And he's a pass first PG, which is what the team needs. He just needs to hit a big shot every once in a while, which he has done the last couple of games. I'll take a couple of freshman mistakes from him if that means cutting Ohio's turnovers in half.




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   Posted: 12/17/2018 9:30:50 AM 
allen wrote:
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Only clowns have expectations,


Just trolling? This does not add to a discussion. I have not met many clowns who have expectations past the next laugh and I have met a great many folks with expectations of themselves and their passions that are definitely NOT clowns. So why try to post silly things that are meant to get a rise? Seeking some attention you are not finding elsewhere?

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   Posted: 12/17/2018 10:50:30 AM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
allen wrote:
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Only clowns have expectations,


Just trolling? This does not add to a discussion. I have not met many clowns who have expectations past the next laugh and I have met a great many folks with expectations of themselves and their passions that are definitely NOT clowns. So why try to post silly things that are meant to get a rise? Seeking some attention you are not finding elsewhere?



We were not talking about actual clowns in this thread. It was a mediocre fans reaction to fans with expectations. When, I say only clowns have expectations, I did not mean it literally, I was correlating it to who g was calling clowns. The attention seeking response was where are the clown, here they are as if clowns are actually posting on whether Saul should be retained or not, not me saying that the so called clowns are the only ones with expectations. What are your expectations for the program? Do you have expectations or do you only know people with expectations? What do the people you know who have expectations think about mediocrity?


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   Posted: 12/17/2018 12:00:44 PM 
I feel like we've seen this thread.....something like 127 times before in the last 18 months.



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   Posted: 12/17/2018 1:27:16 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Who won the game? Send in the clowns. There ought to be clowns. Donít bother theyíre here.


I'm assuming this means you didn't actually watch the game.
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   Posted: 12/17/2018 10:37:46 PM 
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Well whatever happens, the guy has truly been cursed with at Ohio:
- He turned Tony Campbell into a MAC POY and NBA prospect. Injured.
- He's consistently recruited All-MAC freshman team players (Dartis, Carter, Kirk)
- Dartis and Carter get injured
- He brought in two MAC POY caliber guys who end up finishing their careers in the Big 10 (Ryan Taylor, Jarron Simmons),
- He's had several solid mid-major type recruits bail for strange/confusing reasons (Crute, Culver, Butler, Gareri).

Man, that's some serious tough luck there.

It is either darkest before the dawn, or darkest just before it goes pitch black. I'll root for dawn.



No doubt he's had some misfortune, but this is a results business and the results aren't there. Some of what you call bad luck could be looked a differently too. Going through your bullets:
- Campbell was already turning the corner by his sophomore year. He just kept going.
- I've seen him bring in some good and great freshmen, but I've not seen many of them significantly improve (or in the case of Taylor, stick around).
- Key injuries have obviously hurt, but they've also exposed a lack of depth and some serious recruiting whiffs.
- That great players leave the program is on the coach. Taylor apparently hated the Bean show - like the rest of us - and felt it was a bad atmosphere. Trusting a talented grad-transfer ready player like Simmons so much he had no real plan B is another coaching mistake.
- Are kids bailing for strange reasons? I am not in the program so I don't know, but this turnover seems pretty normal anymore. Again, something he should be prepared to handle.

Bottom line, he has a losing MAC record and hasn't done much more in Cleveland than eat a taco at Zocalo. If that's adequate to this fanbase, then we should probably stop pretending that we have any expectations.
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   Posted: 12/18/2018 8:14:33 AM 
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Ohio69 wrote:


Well whatever happens, the guy has truly been cursed with at Ohio:
- He turned Tony Campbell into a MAC POY and NBA prospect. Injured.
- He's consistently recruited All-MAC freshman team players (Dartis, Carter, Kirk)
- Dartis and Carter get injured
- He brought in two MAC POY caliber guys who end up finishing their careers in the Big 10 (Ryan Taylor, Jarron Simmons),
- He's had several solid mid-major type recruits bail for strange/confusing reasons (Crute, Culver, Butler, Gareri).

Man, that's some serious tough luck there.

It is either darkest before the dawn, or darkest just before it goes pitch black. I'll root for dawn.




Bottom line, he has a losing MAC record and hasn't done much more in Cleveland than eat a taco at Zocalo. If that's adequate to this fanbase, then we should probably stop pretending that we have any expectations.


I think our expectations don't really matter until it hits the bottom line, as BtoB has said. Really, it's the expectations of the AD and new President which will matter most. I think us on this board all want more Ws.


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   Posted: 12/18/2018 10:03:05 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:


I think our expectations don't really matter until it hits the bottom line, as BtoB has said. Really, it's the expectations of the AD and new President which will matter most. I think us on this board all want more Ws.


From what I've seen and read,including his "First Friday" letters,I don't get the impression that the new president has much interest in or enthusiasm for sports.

He shows up to what he has to,and that's about it.

My feeling is that his only concern is what they cost.

When he was first hired I thought he was kind of "milk toast".

So far,that initial impression,including when it comes sports,hasn't changed.
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   Posted: 12/18/2018 10:28:29 AM 
Few things:

1) It's milquetoast not milk toast, and I don't get that impression. I've met President Nellis at a couple of sporting events (all on the road), and he seems to be personable, engaged, and excited about the sports at the university. He's not naive enough to see that sports can be the driver of attention and funding for the school. I think he may not be as aggressive as McDavis, but he'll be active with our sports department.

2) No way has Schaus given an extension to Phillips yet. If he did, it would be public knowledge. The only reason to give an extension is to not have a lame duck coach, and right now everyone feels he is just that. So the extension wouldn't serve any purpose if it is not public. It isn't helping him with recruits, with current players, or with fans. If it's not public, it hasn't happened.

3) This is semantics, but if he hasn't been extended and he doesn't get renewed at the end of the year, was he really fired or just not renewed?
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   Posted: 12/18/2018 11:00:40 AM 
finnOhio wrote:
Few things:

1) It's milquetoast not milk toast, and I don't get that impression. I've met President Nellis at a couple of sporting events (all on the road), and he seems to be personable, engaged, and excited about the sports at the university. He's not naive enough to see that sports can be the driver of attention and funding for the school. I think he may not be as aggressive as McDavis, but he'll be active with our sports department.

2) No way has Schaus given an extension to Phillips yet. If he did, it would be public knowledge. The only reason to give an extension is to not have a lame duck coach, and right now everyone feels he is just that. So the extension wouldn't serve any purpose if it is not public. It isn't helping him with recruits, with current players, or with fans. If it's not public, it hasn't happened.

3) This is semantics, but if he hasn't been extended and he doesn't get renewed at the end of the year, was he really fired or just not renewed?


1.When I was in high school I was taught that milk toast or milquetoast were interchangeable.

I've only met President Nellis once.
From that and reading what he's said,I don't see him being "active",at least not in what I would consider a positive way,in sports.


3.I have a number of 1,2 and 3 year contracts to provide engineering services to
various entities.
When those contracts expire,if they chose to hire someone else,they go down as "not renewed".


Last Edited: 12/18/2018 11:10:17 AM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/18/2018 10:47:51 PM 

I agree with rpbobcat's impression of Nellis.  I hope that we are both wrong.  Sometimes first impression are correct and at other times they are not.  So far though, his unwillingness to embrace a First Amendment policy similar to that of the University of Chicago's is disheartening.  He has been presented with it by a member of the journalism faculty and so far he seems not to have the guts to propose it.  

Here for the record is Chicago's policy:

https://tinyurl.com/y98qor45

For those who don't want to look at the link, here's the key part:

Fundamentally, however, the University is committed to the principle that it may not restrict debate or deliberation because the ideas put forth are thought to be offensive, unwise, immoral, or wrong-headed. It is for the members of the University community to make those judgments for themselves.

As a corollary to this commitment, members of the University community must also act in conformity with this principle. Although faculty, students and staff are free to criticize, contest and condemn the views expressed on campus, they may not obstruct, disrupt, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of others to express views they reject or even loathe.

For members of the University community, as for the University itself, the proper response to ideas they find offensive, unwarranted and dangerous is not interference, obstruction, or suppression. It is, instead, to engage in robust counter-speech that challenges the merits of those ideas and exposes them for what they are. To this end, the University has a solemn responsibility not only to promote a lively and fearless freedom of debate and deliberation, but also to protect that freedom when others attempt to restrict it.

For the record, this policy at Chicago goes way back to the 1930s, when my father was a student at UC. At that time Robert Hutchins, known by the students as the "boy wonder president" because he was only 30 when appointed to that position, was a fierce defender of free speech rights.  His ideas were later more fully developed at UC under the auspices of the Hutchins Commission (aka Commission of Freedom of the Press) during World War II.  

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 12/19/2018 9:01:40 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
finnOhio wrote:
Few things:

1) It's milquetoast not milk toast, and I don't get that impression. I've met President Nellis at a couple of sporting events (all on the road), and he seems to be personable, engaged, and excited about the sports at the university. He's not naive enough to see that sports can be the driver of attention and funding for the school. I think he may not be as aggressive as McDavis, but he'll be active with our sports department.

2) No way has Schaus given an extension to Phillips yet. If he did, it would be public knowledge. The only reason to give an extension is to not have a lame duck coach, and right now everyone feels he is just that. So the extension wouldn't serve any purpose if it is not public. It isn't helping him with recruits, with current players, or with fans. If it's not public, it hasn't happened.

3) This is semantics, but if he hasn't been extended and he doesn't get renewed at the end of the year, was he really fired or just not renewed?


1.When I was in high school I was taught that milk toast or milquetoast were interchangeable.

I've only met President Nellis once.
From that and reading what he's said,I don't see him being "active",at least not in what I would consider a positive way,in sports.


3.I have a number of 1,2 and 3 year contracts to provide engineering services to
various entities.
When those contracts expire,if they chose to hire someone else,they go down as "not renewed".





He's been in the locker room following each FB win. I met him at an away game, leading cheers. What more do you expect - he has a university to run and lots of constituencies not to ignore/piss off.

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