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   Posted: 1/25/2019 6:32:01 PM 
giacomo wrote:
If you look at somebody like Steve Kerr, who went from the television booth to being a head coach and our current president who had no prior experience(okay, not a good comparison), why not Kirk Lehman? He was a great player and has coached his entire post playing days. I do get a kick out of a few that think Boals is a shoe-in if we would just pick up the phone and ask.


But Kerr played in the NBA for a number of years and had a coach's mentality already. He was around the game and the league for the better part of his life. It's not surprising he has been successful. Stepping into a virtually perfect situation with Steph, Klay and their draft picks didn't hurt either.

Coaching high school basketball compared to college is a completely different animal.


"Puppies, walks in the park, March wins; those are all my favorite things." - Saul Phillips

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   Posted: 1/25/2019 6:42:31 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
If you look at somebody like Steve Kerr, who went from the television booth to being a head coach and our current president who had no prior experience(okay, not a good comparison), why not Kirk Lehman? He was a great player and has coached his entire post playing days. I do get a kick out of a few that think Boals is a shoe-in if we would just pick up the phone and ask.


But Kerr played in the NBA for a number of years and had a coach's mentality already. He was around the game and the league for the better part of his life. It's not surprising he has been successful. Stepping into a virtually perfect situation with Steph, Klay and their draft picks didn't hurt either.

Coaching high school basketball compared to college is a completely different animal.


He also played for Phil Jackson, Popovich, and Lute Olson.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/25/2019 8:48:14 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
If you look at somebody like Steve Kerr, who went from the television booth to being a head coach and our current president who had no prior experience(okay, not a good comparison), why not Kirk Lehman? He was a great player and has coached his entire post playing days. I do get a kick out of a few that think Boals is a shoe-in if we would just pick up the phone and ask.


But Kerr played in the NBA for a number of years and had a coach's mentality already. He was around the game and the league for the better part of his life. It's not surprising he has been successful. Stepping into a virtually perfect situation with Steph, Klay and their draft picks didn't hurt either.

Coaching high school basketball compared to college is a completely different animal.


Nate Oats disagrees.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/26/2019 10:29:31 AM 
bn9 wrote:

Coaching high school basketball compared to college is a completely different animal.


Nate Oats disagrees. [/QUOTE]

Nate Oats had nearly 10 years of college experience as an assistant when he took the Buffalo job, including two as an outstanding recruiter. He coached high school in between.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/26/2019 12:41:31 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
bn9 wrote:

Coaching high school basketball compared to college is a completely different animal.


Nate Oats disagrees.


Nate Oats had nearly 10 years of college experience as an assistant when he took the Buffalo job, including two as an outstanding recruiter. He coached high school in between. [/QUOTE]

Fair enough.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/26/2019 1:13:03 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
bn9 wrote:

Coaching high school basketball compared to college is a completely different animal.


Nate Oats disagrees.


Nate Oats had nearly 10 years of college experience as an assistant when he took the Buffalo job, including two as an outstanding recruiter. He coached high school in between. [/QUOTE]

Don't let facts get in the way. Please, it's a better story when you just say HS to college
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/26/2019 1:30:09 PM 
The two most successful coaches to land in Athens over in the past 50 years Nee and Groce were both big recruiting assistants prior to the job. Where the program is right now I'd be for Ohio trying that model again but next time paying to keep them in Athens once they start winning.


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2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/26/2019 11:35:15 PM 
11 games to go. 5 are at home.
I think we can go 4-7 and with some luck maybe 5-6.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 10:56:38 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
but next time paying to keep them in Athens once they start winning.


Good luck with that. It isn't always just about the money. The big programs have a huge advantage in just about everything and the advantage is ever expanding. You either a) have decide you are really going to step up your budget or b) hope you get lucky like St. Mary's did by hiring a coach who is happy where he is and is fine with a good (not great) mid-major salary. As for a) we seem more likely to be moving in the opposite direction of that so we'll have to keep our fingers crossed for b).
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 11:49:21 AM 
Season to date results:
Overall Record in MAC 3-4
Home record 2-2
Away record 1-2
3 wins are against teams with loosing record
4 losses against teams with winning records
Balance of the schedule; 11 games in total
7 games against teams with winning records
5 games against teams with loosing records
6 away games
5 home games

Based on the these facts it's expected that we will end the MAC season with a loosing record.
I project we will go 4-7 for the rest of the season.
Ending W-L Record MAC 7-11
Ending W-L Record Total Year 16-15

AND THIS IS HOW SAUL ENDS HIS TENURE AT OHIO

GO BOBCATS
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 12:16:33 PM 
Nobody likes loosing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 12:44:54 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 1:04:17 PM 
Gman wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.



I think we need a young coach who is a good recruiter to turn this program back around, even if he leaves after a few years. Someone who doesnít do a lot of loosing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 1:28:42 PM 
The better Ohio Bobcat wrote:
Gman wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.



I think we need a young coach who is a good recruiter to turn this program back around, even if he leaves after a few years. Someone who doesnít do a lot of loosing.


Young, MAC experience, Assistant under Groce and Holtmann. Good recruiting at Butler and so far at OSU.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/coach/ryan-pedon /
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 4:00:00 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The two most successful coaches to land in Athens over in the past 50 years Nee and Groce were both big recruiting assistants prior to the job. Where the program is right now I'd be for Ohio trying that model again but next time paying to keep them in Athens once they start winning.


I'd take Snyder over Groce in a heartbeat. Snyder stayed 25 years and retired at 55. And beat plenty of Big 10 teams in his time; also Kentucky to get us to elite 8. Groce left first chance for more $$$ and is now back in the MAC.

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   Posted: 1/27/2019 4:03:19 PM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:


Young, MAC experience, Assistant under Groce and Holtmann. Good recruiting at Butler and so far at OSU.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/coach/ryan-pedon /


Not sure how young he is anymore but he has been really good everywhere he has been. He is definitely not a looser

Last Edited: 1/27/2019 4:03:49 PM by longtiimelurker

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 4:17:24 PM 
Gman wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.



Boals isn't young; he's 46! Other than Christian who was 47 when hired he'd be the oldest as far back as I recall. Snyder was 30, Bandy around 34, Nee 35, Hahn 33, Hunter 40, O'Shea 39, Groce 37, Phillips 41.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 4:54:54 PM 
Gman wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.



Shaus didnít hire Solich. He didnít come until 2008, well after Solich.
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   Posted: 1/27/2019 9:42:41 PM 
Jerry86 wrote:
Gman wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.



Boals isn't young; he's 46! Other than Christian who was 47 when hired he'd be the oldest as far back as I recall. Snyder was 30, Bandy around 34, Nee 35, Hahn 33, Hunter 40, O'Shea 39, Groce 37, Phillips 41.


well heck that's young to me, then he's hittin his prime !!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 9:45:48 PM 
Jerry86 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
The two most successful coaches to land in Athens over in the past 50 years Nee and Groce were both big recruiting assistants prior to the job. Where the program is right now I'd be for Ohio trying that model again but next time paying to keep them in Athens once they start winning.


I'd take Snyder over Groce in a heartbeat. Snyder stayed 25 years and retired at 55. And beat plenty of Big 10 teams in his time; also Kentucky to get us to elite 8. Groce left first chance for more $$$ and is now back in the MAC.


That was before you could become rich coaching basketball. Nobody is going to turn down the opportunity to have their family financially set by taking a contract at a P5. It can even be done at the MAC if the administration commits.


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2018 Quentin Poling, 7th Round (Miami Dolphins)
2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
2012 LaVon Brazil, 6th Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2010 Taylor Price, 3rd Round (NE Patriots)
2009 Mike Mitchell, 2nd Round (Oakland Raiders)
2008 Landon Cohen, 7th Round (Detroit Lions)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/27/2019 10:00:16 PM 
Jerry86 wrote:
Gman wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Nobody likes loosing.


Good one Jeff

I'm sure Schaus is way ahead of the game in the coaching search, with no extension for Saul, I'd say he started his search last year, but the real question is, Do you hire a young Coach like Jeff Boals ? He turns our program around then leaves Ohio for something bigger or does Schaus hire someone older that might have stay power like his Solich hire and stay for a while. Geno Ford is another Coach that has seen the ups and downs, could be a longtime hire if he could get it done year in and year out.



Boals isn't young; he's 46! Other than Christian who was 47 when hired he'd be the oldest as far back as I recall. Snyder was 30, Bandy around 34, Nee 35, Hahn 33, Hunter 40, O'Shea 39, Groce 37, Phillips 41.


Amazing to think TOS has gone from young new coach to a B&B retiree already in this century. From my experience under 40 is young to be a FB Head Coach but for basketball 32 is the same as 40. We keep hearing from OCF how Phillips is a young coach but at 46 not really nor is he leading his first D1 basketball program.


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2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
2012 LaVon Brazil, 6th Round (Indianapolis Colts)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/28/2019 10:37:07 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Jerry86 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
The two most successful coaches to land in Athens over in the past 50 years Nee and Groce were both big recruiting assistants prior to the job. Where the program is right now I'd be for Ohio trying that model again but next time paying to keep them in Athens once they start winning.


I'd take Snyder over Groce in a heartbeat. Snyder stayed 25 years and retired at 55. And beat plenty of Big 10 teams in his time; also Kentucky to get us to elite 8. Groce left first chance for more $$$ and is now back in the MAC.


That was before you could become rich coaching basketball. Nobody is going to turn down the opportunity to have their family financially set by taking a contract at a P5. It can even be done at the MAC if the administration commits.


Agreed - Snyder coached in a totally different era of college athletics that isn't comparable to 2012, or 2019. No way to fault any coach that leaves early. The absolute key, in my opinion, is to find a coach that also values hiring guys that could leave them and the Bobcats early to become a head coach, or associate head coach elsewhere - Chris Holtmann or Fuss for example. That caliber of assistant coach could then take over the program when the coach leaves, retaining some form of continuity. Easier said than done I'm sure, but an important part of the success at Xavier and Butler over recent years.



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   Posted: 1/28/2019 2:08:57 PM 
Seeing Holtmann's name in this thread reminds me of how I wish the Groce timeline had been positioned differently and somehow we could've gotten a couple years of Holtmann at the helm instead of losing him to Gardner-Webb.


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   Posted: 1/28/2019 8:51:40 PM 
Yeah, I know this isn't the most reasonable idea, but look at Memphis with Penny Hardaway. He didn't have much coaching experience, now he is getting big-time recruits coming to his alma mater. Would having Gary Trent back in Athens help bring recruits to the campus? Would it create a buzz around the school?
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   Posted: 1/29/2019 9:43:50 AM 
finnOhio wrote:
Yeah, I know this isn't the most reasonable idea, but look at Memphis with Penny Hardaway. He didn't have much coaching experience, now he is getting big-time recruits coming to his alma mater. Would having Gary Trent back in Athens help bring recruits to the campus? Would it create a buzz around the school?


Personally, I question that. How many people in and around OU younger than 30 years old even know who Gary Trent is? Or along the same line of thinking, Geno Ford or Jeff Boals? Maybe it reinvigorates older fans and alumni in their 40's and older, but anyone younger than that, unless they're a basketball/OU sports die-hard, those folks probably don't even know who those guys are, or what their significance is. If you don't sell the history of the program game in, and game out, those great old players are of no significance to the current batch of students. I'd even bet you that more than 50% of freshmen and sophomores don't even know who DJ Cooper is.



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