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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 11:20:13 PM 
Gman wrote:
John Groce left under good terms with Schauss, wouldn't that be something if Schauss stole Groce away from Akron and brought him back to Ohio ? could happen ya never know.


Ditto. Groce and wife have rural mid-west roots. Can't think they are happy in the Akron - Canton metro area. They were a good fit in the Athens community before, would be again.
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 11:29:25 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:

Basically the same logic of every fan base on every college message board in the history of athletic message boards whenever a former player is projected as a head coach (see for example Steve Spurrier, Kliff Kingsbury, Mark Richt, Scott Frost, et cetra, et cetra)


Spurrier won a National Championship and won the SEC 4 times and had South Carolina ranked No. 4 in the Country in 2011 so Iím not sure what this quote even means.
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I never said that all of them were bad coaches. Actually, I don't think that you'd say that ANY of those 4 are bad coaches (though Richt's tenure at his alma mater didn't exactly live up to expectations). Those were 4 prominent alumni coaches who came to mind. But if you're going to dispute fan bases having irrational exuberance for alumni coaches (for instance, Scott Frost being viewed as the program's savior), then I don't know what to tell you.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 8:18:53 AM 
left lane, hammer down wrote:
Gman wrote:
John Groce left under good terms with Schauss, wouldn't that be something if Schauss stole Groce away from Akron and brought him back to Ohio ? could happen ya never know.


Ditto. Groce and wife have rural mid-west roots. Can't think they are happy in the Akron - Canton metro area. They were a good fit in the Athens community before, would be again.


You can be pretty rural within 15 minutes from the Akron campus. I imagine the happiness meter for Groce is tied directly to his success on the Bball floor.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 8:54:44 AM 
MedinaCat wrote:


You can be pretty rural within 15 minutes from the Akron campus. I imagine the happiness meter for Groce is tied directly to his success on the Bball floor.


Being a cynic.
I also think its directly tied to his paycheck amount and contract length.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 9:25:41 AM 
He makes more than Saul this year.

Not sure Akron fans would be terribly sad to lose him. His first recruiting class was a disaster and there are a lot of questions about his in-game decisions, not to mention the way he has handled the assault case currently pending in the courts. There's no feeling that the Zips are "on the rise" at this point.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 10:41:46 AM 
SBH wrote:
He makes more than Saul this year.

Not sure Akron fans would be terribly sad to lose him. His first recruiting class was a disaster and there are a lot of questions about his in-game decisions, not to mention the way he has handled the assault case currently pending in the courts. There's no feeling that the Zips are "on the rise" at this point.





It doesn't take long snooping around on their Zips forum to see that they aren't completely sold on Groce yet. They were used to Dambrot, who consistently won a lot of games in this conference. We'll see how long it lasts at Akron if he continues to show he can't win on the road or just not be mediocre in conference play.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 11:03:43 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 11:22:55 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.


The problem is that Schaus isn't keen on hiring alums, either as coaches or in the AD as a whole, as I think Buckeye to Bobcat has explained previously. If that truly is the case, I don't agree with it. The entire department shouldn't be made up of former Bobcats, but it would be nice to have some people with familiarity of the town, the school and it's alumni in the building, wouldn't it?




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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 11:25:48 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.


The problem is that Schaus isn't keen on hiring alums, either as coaches or in the AD as a whole, as I think Buckeye to Bobcat has explained previously. If that truly is the case, I don't agree with it. The entire department shouldn't be made up of former Bobcats, but it would be nice to have some people with familiarity of the town, the school and it's alumni in the building, wouldn't it?




This ain't the hire I'm more worried about.
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 11:51:53 AM 
ytownbobcat wrote:
IMO our AD will conduct a nationwide search after this season. . . .


Sorry for mixing sports again . . . but I still remember the exhaustive, 24-hour nationwide search conducted by the AD that gave us Knorr.


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   Posted: 1/22/2019 12:43:41 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
IMO our AD will conduct a nationwide search after this season. . . .


Sorry for mixing sports again . . . but I still remember the exhaustive, 24-hour nationwide search conducted by the AD that gave us Knorr.



(shivers)

That sounds as bad as seeing these two.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2hkPVY5gjg
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 2:22:05 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.


For what I'll call "older" alumni - meaning people in my range (early 40's) and older, The Boals, or Geno type hire *might* get some of the people in SE Ohio to come back. I say might, because honestly, I agree with you - they're in trouble right now. But that trouble isn't 100% because of on the court performance. That's just a portion of the issue in my opinion. The rest of it comes from the other departments responsible for marketing, ticket sales, gameday experience, and promotions. While I agree that winning cures a lot of ills, and there hasn't been enough winning in the last two years, I still strongly believe that other factors contribute to empty seats.

You can't, and won't sell me on Geno Ford as the next HC. Period. As a fan, and alumnus, I can certainly be sold on Boals. My argument all along is the assumption some have that he'd jump at the chance to come here, and I'm not sure that's as automatic as some think. Not everyone longs to come back to the old Alma mater for work.
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 2:29:07 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.


For what I'll call "older" alumni - meaning people in my range (early 40's) and older, The Boals, or Geno type hire *might* get some of the people in SE Ohio to come back. I say might, because honestly, I agree with you - they're in trouble right now. But that trouble isn't 100% because of on the court performance. That's just a portion of the issue in my opinion. The rest of it comes from the other departments responsible for marketing, ticket sales, gameday experience, and promotions. While I agree that winning cures a lot of ills, and there hasn't been enough winning in the last two years, I still strongly believe that other factors contribute to empty seats.

You can't, and won't sell me on Geno Ford as the next HC. Period. As a fan, and alumnus, I can certainly be sold on Boals. My argument all along is the assumption some have that he'd jump at the chance to come here, and I'm not sure that's as automatic as some think. Not everyone longs to come back to the old Alma mater for work.


Agree that Boals could be slippery slope. Is he pissed that he's been passed over already (twice?)

Would he take a "lateral" move after he's built a foundation at Stony Brook? He will have to clear the Vermont hurdle, but a few good years at SB and he could land a low-P6 job? Maybe?

I'm not sure where you're dislike for Geno stems from .... but I respect your position.

My thought is that he might be a guy that is willing to set-up shop and stay a while. Boals seems to be a on trajectory for something bigger than Ohio? Maybe I'm wrong. Ford has already tried that path and it didn't work out ... and he'd be close to home in Cambridge?

Just seems like a good fit. I always liked him as a player ... and thought he did a good job in his short time at Kent.

Then again, I've been pretty vocal about my desire for a guy to come in and build something long term and not just do a touch-and-go in Athens and use Ohio as a springboard ... so maybe that taints my view.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 2:55:18 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.


The problem is that Schaus isn't keen on hiring alums, either as coaches or in the AD as a whole, as I think Buckeye to Bobcat has explained previously. If that truly is the case, I don't agree with it. The entire department shouldn't be made up of former Bobcats, but it would be nice to have some people with familiarity of the town, the school and it's alumni in the building, wouldn't it?




I really hope that there aren't automatic disqualifying criteria for AD hires, especially if one of them is being an alum. Hire the right person for the job, even if they come from Miami.
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 3:06:46 PM 
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"I really hope that there aren't automatic disqualifying criteria for AD hires, especially if one of them is being an alum. Hire the right person for the job, even if they come from Miami." [/QUOTE]

Seriously?!?! You didn't just use the forbidden five letter word on Bobcatattack.com?!?!
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 3:14:55 PM 
We need an influx of MAC level competitive talent immediately. Long term coaching candidates can be discussed at a later date. This program has serious talent deficits that must be corrected immediately. Saul's glaring error as a coach is in recruiting. We need a talent pipeline established into Athens that we can then build upon. We simply don't have the guns needed to take on the likes of Buffalo and Toledo, and that is the single biggest thing that is hurting us. Period.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 4:01:07 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:
We need an influx of MAC level competitive talent immediately. Long term coaching candidates can be discussed at a later date. This program has serious talent deficits that must be corrected immediately. Saul's glaring error as a coach is in recruiting. We need a talent pipeline established into Athens that we can then build upon. We simply don't have the guns needed to take on the likes of Buffalo and Toledo, and that is the single biggest thing that is hurting us. Period.


You're not wrong about some talent deficiencies, but the coaching staff sort of has to be in place before the recruiting pipeline can be established, doesn't it?
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 4:20:25 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:
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"I really hope that there aren't automatic disqualifying criteria for AD hires, especially if one of them is being an alum. Hire the right person for the job, even if they come from Miami."


Seriously?!?! You didn't just use the forbidden five letter word on Bobcatattack.com?!?! [/QUOTE]

If we could ever benefit and aid in the demise of a rival, I say win-win.
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 4:22:03 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


One argument I can see being made for Boals/Ford ....

This program has dipped significantly in terms of excitement around it. It needs some sort of jolt after what's happened last five years.

This isn't a dig on Saul ... it's just fact. Look around the Convo. The atmosphere is pretty depressing. There isn't a lot of buzz around the program.

Hiring someone like Boals, assuming Stony Brook makes the NCAAs and can get past Vermont in the AEC, would spark some excitement. Not only would you be getting a guy who just took a team to the NCAA tournament and beat GW, South Carolina and Rhode Island on the road (better than any Ohio win in the last few years) ... you'd be getting an Ohio alum.

Similar argument for Ford. While he hasn't been head coach in a while, he'd be coming in with a pedigree of success in the MAC and is sort of local (Cambridge) and he's a former Bobcat. And Geno's personality would resonate with the fan base.

If you're trying to rekindle some of sort of enthusiasm for the program ... and start putting people back into the Convo, you might want to look this direction.

Those two guys would tug at the core of those who attend games at the Convo. The long-timers that live in the Athens area that have been around the program for a long time. I think they might be more willing to roll in on a Tuesday night to watch a Boals/Ford coached team than a Pat Kelsey coached team? Nothing against Kelsey ... but unless Winthrop makes a run ... this is a guy who has one NCAA appearance in seven years in the Big South. I think he's a good coach ... but not sure he's a guy who would light a fire under this fan base, which is needed, in my opinion.

As far as the students showing .... that will come with wins. Win games .. they will come. It's a tough sell no matter what in today's climate ... but it's even harder when you're selling a 17-15 program that finishes in the bottom half of the MAC.

I'm not 100% saying Schaus should only look at Boals or Ford ... and history probably proves he won't .... but Ohio Basketball is in a much different climate than when he made the Christian hire or the Saul hire. They're in trouble ... and that wasn't the case with his last two coaching searches. I think he might take a different approach considering.


For what I'll call "older" alumni - meaning people in my range (early 40's) and older, The Boals, or Geno type hire *might* get some of the people in SE Ohio to come back. I say might, because honestly, I agree with you - they're in trouble right now. But that trouble isn't 100% because of on the court performance. That's just a portion of the issue in my opinion. The rest of it comes from the other departments responsible for marketing, ticket sales, gameday experience, and promotions. While I agree that winning cures a lot of ills, and there hasn't been enough winning in the last two years, I still strongly believe that other factors contribute to empty seats.

You can't, and won't sell me on Geno Ford as the next HC. Period. As a fan, and alumnus, I can certainly be sold on Boals. My argument all along is the assumption some have that he'd jump at the chance to come here, and I'm not sure that's as automatic as some think. Not everyone longs to come back to the old Alma mater for work.


Agree that Boals could be slippery slope. Is he pissed that he's been passed over already (twice?)

Would he take a "lateral" move after he's built a foundation at Stony Brook? He will have to clear the Vermont hurdle, but a few good years at SB and he could land a low-P6 job? Maybe?

I'm not sure where you're dislike for Geno stems from .... but I respect your position.

My thought is that he might be a guy that is willing to set-up shop and stay a while. Boals seems to be a on trajectory for something bigger than Ohio? Maybe I'm wrong. Ford has already tried that path and it didn't work out ... and he'd be close to home in Cambridge?

Just seems like a good fit. I always liked him as a player ... and thought he did a good job in his short time at Kent.

Then again, I've been pretty vocal about my desire for a guy to come in and build something long term and not just do a touch-and-go in Athens and use Ohio as a springboard ... so maybe that taints my view.


I don't dislike Geno as a player, or a person. As a person, I don't know enough about him to even really offer an opinion. What I know about him as a coach makes me say "no thanks" because I don't really feel like he would be a tremendous upgrade. And great players don't often seem to make great coaches.

Your statements above on Boals are exactly the questions I ask - unless it's for love of Alma mater, I'm not sure why he'd come here right now. Assuming his goal is to move up the coaching ranks anyway.

In terms of the next coach staying long term, obviously that's the ideal situation. However, for me, you just hire the right guy, who will build a really good staff of future potential head coaches, and keep some continuity by hiring the top assistant if the head coach leaves for greener pastures. It worked pretty good at places like Xavier and Butler so far.

And if we want to talk about alumnus coaches, there are a few more recent grads from the Groce/Christian teams that might fit into the picture that are on several different coaching staffs right now, and one former coach that recently left as well. Not sure they're ready for this but it's worth message board conversation anyway.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 4:38:44 PM 
Bring back James Jones.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 7:05:25 PM 
For those big on brining in an alum, Dino Gaudio???
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/22/2019 11:48:02 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
. . . Hire the right person for the job, even if they come from Miami.


Now that, Sir, might be a bridge too far!


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   Posted: 1/24/2019 2:46:55 PM 
Kirk Lehman would be my choice. He has a great track record at Defiance HS and recently won a state title.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/24/2019 3:38:20 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Kirk Lehman would be my choice. He has a great track record at Defiance HS and recently won a state title.


I know you love the sarcasm ... so I can't tell if you are serious.

I can't imagine in any universe Ohio turning to a division II high school basketball coach.

Maybe you were tongue-in-cheek'ng it because he's an OU grad? I hope.
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   Posted: 1/25/2019 5:10:15 PM 
If you look at somebody like Steve Kerr, who went from the television booth to being a head coach and our current president who had no prior experience(okay, not a good comparison), why not Kirk Lehman? He was a great player and has coached his entire post playing days. I do get a kick out of a few that think Boals is a shoe-in if we would just pick up the phone and ask.
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