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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/12/2019 10:01:23 AM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
bobcat 2000 wrote:
it is not entirely sauls fault we have the problems we have. ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


This is either a troll account or someone that is 10 years old behind the keyboard. Can one of the admins investigate this account? This ain't the first time absurdity from beyond the usual absurdity has flown around.


Yeah sure, look over under the name. 2000 has been here 7 years longer than YOU. That is from a few years before the crash so YOU have no idea how many posts he has from years back. He (I suppose it could be a she) may have been a big poster that got disgusted as we have many of those from the pre crash days. If it bothers you skip over it like some folks do your posts.



Fair enough. Sorry, seems like the posts come at completely random times saying how we need to jump at the Big Ten. Apologies.

Guess I'll slink away as well then.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/12/2019 10:11:21 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

His offenses play an exciting brand of basketball...when it works. Lots of passing, drive and kicks for open jumpers, lots of movement without the ball and extra passes between big men. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Saul can coach an offense. I think if you go back and look, his teams have actually averaged better scoring numbers than Groce or Christian teams.

I'm for one who thinks defensively his teams haven't been that bad, but my issue lies with letting teams go on BIG runs without timeouts before it's too late. And frankly, we haven't had great perimeter defenders outside of a few guys to stop dribble penetration, which causes bigs to get in foul trouble. And if Ohio's bigs are in foul trouble, they can't stretch the floor and give room for guys like Jaaron or TK to operate.

And we've had some great players here during his time.

-Tony was on an upward trajectory before he arrived, but playing in Saul's offense turned him into a MAC POTY. His last season was taken from him and it's heartbreaking to see what he could have been.

-Jaaron, who I still think is Ohio's greatest PG outside of DJ Cooper in the last 20 years (fight me), was a perfect catalyst for the team when everyone was healthy. Once he had to do too much, then we slid.

-Mike Laster...his development over 4 years was a treat to watch.

-Jordy is one of the best shooters Ohio has ever had, percentage wise and his ability to go off in spurts.

-Jason Carter is already an Ohio great and he's barely played 2 years of basketball.

-TK may be one of the best rebounding guards I've seen in a while and is ultra athletic.

-Role guys like BVP, Gavin, Jimmy G, Doug, Kenny, and Treg are/were good players for this program that filled a need.

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Unless things turn around quickly this season I think Saul's tenure here will be a story of "what ifs" and that's unfortunate.

-What if Tony doesn't get hurt in Saul's 3rd year?

-What if Ryan Taylor doesn't transfer? (Can you imagine Year 3 with Ryan Taylor, Jaaron, Jordy, Tony and Jason in one lineup? My God.)

-What if Ohio lands a couple big names like Desmond Bane and Tyrese Haliburton?

-What if Jaaron decides to stay?

-What if the injury plagued 2017-18 season isn't as severe?

-What if Aaron Fuss sticks around?

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But that's not how life works. Some things just aren't meant to be. I love watching Saul's teams, but for whatever reason things aren't going as planned. For a myriad of reasons and adding those things together may be too much for this regime to overcome.

It seems this year's team is still trying to recover from last year's debacle and learning how to play together. I'm hoping they get some stuff figured out before March so we can see what the group is fully capable of, but it's going to be a long winter. Here's hoping for the best, whatever that is.


Well thought out post. But the one thing I keep coming back to ... how much of this is on Saul?

I know he can't control the injuries ...

But player and coach departures ... I think if Saul had a stable, successful program those things might not happen? Same with landing big name recruits.

He looked like he was getting his feet under him in 2015 & 16 with back to back 2nd place MAC seasons ... never got over the tourney hump and into the title game. But since Jaaron dribbled those 4 seconds off ... it's been bad. I think that's somewhat on Saul.

It sucks. I was DEFINITELY on board with his hire. Thought he was exactly what this program needed. Really sucks it hasn't worked out. But for as much bad luck there's been, the blame has to be shared by him.

I hope whoever they find can restore order and put Ohio back to the upper echelon of the MAC.

Now ... in terms of your player assessment ... I think you can pump the brakes on Carter. He's good ... and has two years left to build a legacy. But I'm not throwing him up there with Trent, Cooper, Luckett, Jamerson & Graham. Hell ... I'm not throwing him with Simmons & Ford. Or even Leon. He's more Sanjay right now. Strong talent, but minimal results elevating the team or program.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 12:53:10 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
BobcatPride wrote:
I agree with those who think it's time for "Saul Ball" to haul on out of Athens. I didn't read through the 12 pages of this thread, and I'd be stunned if my preference's name hasn't been mentioned more than once as a replacement.

It seems to me that in a league with a very large number of its teams in Ohio, playing most of its games every year in Ohio, the next Bobcats coach must be able to recruit Ohio very well. Of course, you're probably not going to get the kids that are OSU, Cincinnati, or Xavier bound (although Groce did OK there - think Caris LaVert before he transferred to Michigan when Groce left), but you HAVE to win a good amount of that next tier of players from Ohio. I would guess the ease of parents to attend their sons' games does probably help in recruiting.

Saul hasn't been able to recruit Ohio nearly as well as I think he needed to (know that Jason Carter had other deep-rooted reasons to be attracted to OHIO other than just the coach). I don't see that dynamic ever improving.

There is really only one guy that comes to my mind as the coach OHIO should go hard after at the end of this season, and that is Jeff Boals.

His stints as an assistant at Akron and OSU mean he has the relationships with Ohio coaches to get those recruits to come to Athens, just like Groce did. Boals would be coming back to his home state and his alma mater, so maybe he'd want to stay a bit and try to build a legacy of sorts. He currently makes a little more that $250K a year, so OHIO could almost double his income.

Those are my thoughts on the situation. I welcome your critiques.


Ironically I blame him for the downfall of OSU. He got hellbent on recruiting nationally when Matta was hurting physically and had to trust his assistants to assess talent. The one time he did go back in-state he made it political favors to Garfield Heights and Dunbar and that accelerated the firing of Matta.


Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 11:35:06 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I contend that we donít have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC ...


When Saul was hired he was highest paid coach in the MAC. Same when Ohio hired Jim Christian. So, I think that pops hole in your theory.

Now going forward, it's yet to be seen how Ohio will handle coaching salaries with the new president

bobcat 2000 wrote:
ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


Ohio can't win MAC games, but they can compete in the Big East?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Ok. Got it.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄


Is this board drunk Bshott44? Drop football (a consistent winning program) for men's basketball team that might be better off with our women's coach? Is that what I here? One of the highest paid coaches in the MAC can't recruit and getting blown out by 20+ points but in football we take 2 star athletes and win bowl games. Must be butane in their koolaid...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 11:59:37 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I think Schaus was swayed by Saul's success, young age, and all the buzz around him. This led to his large contract, especially thinking that JC had a buyout clause which also helped justify the salary.
Unfortunately things didn't work out.

Has Solich's success demonstrated another path to consider?

GO BOBCATS


Yep, he's demonstrated a path to consistently being decent and completely irrelevant at a national level.

The Potato Bowl is the equivalent of the CBI. Solich hasn't won any conference championships, which is what's required to get to the tournament in basketball. Not sure he's necessarily the standard we want to follow.

To be clear, he built a strong football program at a school that was consistently a bottom feeder and had won like 60 games in 30 years. Solich has brought huge value to Ohio University and will leave it better than he found it.

But our basketball program's much different than our football program and requires a different approach.


Facts. All of them.


Please explain how it is different? Football has some of the top stats in the country in 2018. More conference all stars than ever before. This goes to show you how bad a program can be after a coach who builds consistency leaves. Basketball has not been the same since 2012-13. #FireSaul and bring in a top D1 assistant.
At least Solich makes it to postseason, and wins bowl games on National TV which helps recruiting. It's about branding. Ohio basketball hasn't done well branding themselves. Winning conference championships is important in football but with CFP, winning bowl games against other conferences is important for the revenue sharing portion. In basketball you want OU to win out in conference schedule against great teams. In football you have tie-ins but basketball defies that. Two MAC b-ball teams can make it if they have great seasons and can create an auto-bid. Our women's teams in the MAC are doing just that (CMU and OU). So I have to disagree with this assessment.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 12:27:23 PM 
ExCat21 wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I contend that we donít have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC ...


When Saul was hired he was highest paid coach in the MAC. Same when Ohio hired Jim Christian. So, I think that pops hole in your theory.

Now going forward, it's yet to be seen how Ohio will handle coaching salaries with the new president

bobcat 2000 wrote:
ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


Ohio can't win MAC games, but they can compete in the Big East?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Ok. Got it.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄


Is this board drunk Bshott44? Drop football (a consistent winning program) for men's basketball team that might be better off with our women's coach? Is that what I here? One of the highest paid coaches in the MAC can't recruit and getting blown out by 20+ points but in football we take 2 star athletes and win bowl games. Must be butane in their koolaid...


Welcome to the board, there are many who would sacrifice football here to be better in basketball.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 1:51:43 PM 
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 2:12:37 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


Basically the same logic of every fan base on every college message board in the history of athletic message boards whenever a former player is projected as a head coach (see for example Steve Spurrier, Kliff Kingsbury, Mark Richt, Scott Frost, et cetra, et cetra)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 2:14:01 PM 
^^^^^^^^^ Bingo.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 2:34:38 PM 

Did Boals ever get an interview during the searches that landed Christian/Phillips?

EDIT: Looks like something happened during the Christian search: Boals Had “Brief Conversation” With Schaus About Coaching Position

But was not a candidate during the Phillips search: Jeff Boals, Dustin Ford, Other Assitants Not Candidates For Ohio Job

I guess my point is that Schaus had two bites at the apple with Boals. Conversely, Boals may have hard feelings about it.

Last Edited: 1/21/2019 2:37:09 PM by Ted Thompson


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 2:43:56 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I contend that we donít have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC ...


When Saul was hired he was highest paid coach in the MAC. Same when Ohio hired Jim Christian. So, I think that pops hole in your theory.

Now going forward, it's yet to be seen how Ohio will handle coaching salaries with the new president

bobcat 2000 wrote:
ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


Ohio can't win MAC games, but they can compete in the Big East?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Ok. Got it.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄


Is this board drunk Bshott44? Drop football (a consistent winning program) for men's basketball team that might be better off with our women's coach? Is that what I here? One of the highest paid coaches in the MAC can't recruit and getting blown out by 20+ points but in football we take 2 star athletes and win bowl games. Must be butane in their koolaid...


Welcome to the board, there are many who would sacrifice football here to be better in basketball.


Another hole is opening in that logic when those who want to sacrifice football also think we are paying too much for the coach. I thought the whole idea of sacrifice was to add resources to basketball and now they want to take resources away.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/21/2019 2:50:51 PM 

I ran across this article about the search that landed Phillips: REPORT: Ohio's Coaching Search Down to 4 Names

According to Arkley's sources the list includes:

  • Saul Phillips, North Dakota State
  • Pat Kelsey, Winthrop
  • Jeff Neubauer, Eastern Kentucky
  • LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central

Kelsey is still at Winthrop after taking the Umass job for 2 days in 2017. Moton is still at NC Central. Neubauer is in his 4th season at Fordham where he is 48-64. No one can win at Fordham but he is trending the wrong direction:

2019 - (9-9, 0-5 A-10)

2018 - (9-22, 4-14 A-10)

2017 - (13-19, 7-11 A-10)

2016 - (17-14, 8-10 A-10)


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   Posted: 1/21/2019 3:14:04 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


Basically the same logic of every fan base on every college message board in the history of athletic message boards whenever a former player is projected as a head coach (see for example Steve Spurrier, Kliff Kingsbury, Mark Richt, Scott Frost, et cetra, et cetra)



And, if message boards had existed then . . . Cleve Bryant! A sobering thought, I hope.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future (NT)
   Posted: 1/21/2019 3:16:15 PM 

Last Edited: 1/21/2019 3:16:43 PM by bobcatsquared

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   Posted: 1/21/2019 3:17:36 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
Moton is still at NC Central. Neubauer is in his 4th season at Fordham where he is 48-64. No one can win at Fordham but he is trending the wrong direction:


Didn't a son of a funeral home director, which earned him the nickname "Digger", win at Fordham?
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 4:31:26 PM 
Thanks for the research Ted. I'd be interested to see if they go back to talking to Moton or Kelsey this time around. Both continued to have success after they were interviewed, and both are having down years by their programs' standards.


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   Posted: 1/21/2019 4:31:48 PM 

bobcatsquared wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Moton is still at NC Central. Neubauer is in his 4th season at Fordham where he is 48-64. No one can win at Fordham but he is trending the wrong direction:


Didn't a son of a funeral home director, which earned him the nickname "Digger", win at Fordham? 

How old are you? wink


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   Posted: 1/21/2019 5:46:30 PM 
Old enough have enjoyed and remember the golden years of ND basketball.
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 6:33:11 PM 
IMO our AD will conduct a nationwide search after this season. I think most ADs have a few coaches in mind if they have to hire. I think Saul was a good choice and with some luck could have been here longer.
In the mean time I am cheering for the players and coaches that are here and hope for the best.
Saul and most of the other coaches will find good opportunities are available for them.
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 7:03:14 PM 
For you hire an alumni guys/gals from a great Bobcat era:

Walter Offutt (Two degrees from OHIO make him one up on those with only one!)
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 9:10:03 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

His offenses play an exciting brand of basketball...when it works. Lots of passing, drive and kicks for open jumpers, lots of movement without the ball and extra passes between big men. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Saul can coach an offense. I think if you go back and look, his teams have actually averaged better scoring numbers than Groce or Christian teams.

I'm for one who thinks defensively his teams haven't been that bad, but my issue lies with letting teams go on BIG runs without timeouts before it's too late. And frankly, we haven't had great perimeter defenders outside of a few guys to stop dribble penetration, which causes bigs to get in foul trouble. And if Ohio's bigs are in foul trouble, they can't stretch the floor and give room for guys like Jaaron or TK to operate.

And we've had some great players here during his time.

-Tony was on an upward trajectory before he arrived, but playing in Saul's offense turned him into a MAC POTY. His last season was taken from him and it's heartbreaking to see what he could have been.

-Jaaron, who I still think is Ohio's greatest PG outside of DJ Cooper in the last 20 years (fight me), was a perfect catalyst for the team when everyone was healthy. Once he had to do too much, then we slid.

-Mike Laster...his development over 4 years was a treat to watch.

-Jordy is one of the best shooters Ohio has ever had, percentage wise and his ability to go off in spurts.

-Jason Carter is already an Ohio great and he's barely played 2 years of basketball.

-TK may be one of the best rebounding guards I've seen in a while and is ultra athletic.

-Role guys like BVP, Gavin, Jimmy G, Doug, Kenny, and Treg are/were good players for this program that filled a need.

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Unless things turn around quickly this season I think Saul's tenure here will be a story of "what ifs" and that's unfortunate.

-What if Tony doesn't get hurt in Saul's 3rd year?

-What if Ryan Taylor doesn't transfer? (Can you imagine Year 3 with Ryan Taylor, Jaaron, Jordy, Tony and Jason in one lineup? My God.)

-What if Ohio lands a couple big names like Desmond Bane and Tyrese Haliburton?

-What if Jaaron decides to stay?

-What if the injury plagued 2017-18 season isn't as severe?

-What if Aaron Fuss sticks around?

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But that's not how life works. Some things just aren't meant to be. I love watching Saul's teams, but for whatever reason things aren't going as planned. For a myriad of reasons and adding those things together may be too much for this regime to overcome.

It seems this year's team is still trying to recover from last year's debacle and learning how to play together. I'm hoping they get some stuff figured out before March so we can see what the group is fully capable of, but it's going to be a long winter. Here's hoping for the best, whatever that is.


Well thought out post. But the one thing I keep coming back to ... how much of this is on Saul?

I know he can't control the injuries ...

But player and coach departures ... I think if Saul had a stable, successful program those things might not happen? Same with landing big name recruits.

He looked like he was getting his feet under him in 2015 & 16 with back to back 2nd place MAC seasons ... never got over the tourney hump and into the title game. But since Jaaron dribbled those 4 seconds off ... it's been bad. I think that's somewhat on Saul.

It sucks. I was DEFINITELY on board with his hire. Thought he was exactly what this program needed. Really sucks it hasn't worked out. But for as much bad luck there's been, the blame has to be shared by him.

I hope whoever they find can restore order and put Ohio back to the upper echelon of the MAC.

Now ... in terms of your player assessment ... I think you can pump the brakes on Carter. He's good ... and has two years left to build a legacy. But I'm not throwing him up there with Trent, Cooper, Luckett, Jamerson & Graham. Hell ... I'm not throwing him with Simmons & Ford. Or even Leon. He's more Sanjay right now. Strong talent, but minimal results elevating the team or program.


I think you're correct that Saul and the staff can shoulder some of the blame. Absolutely. But adding everything together it just seems like every single card is stacked against this era to not succeed.

And I'll admittedly pump brakes on Carter. My thoughts were more what he "could" be eventually. He's on his way while fighting through some major adversity early on in his career.



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   Posted: 1/21/2019 9:10:13 PM 
John Groce left under good terms with Schauss, wouldn't that be something if Schauss stole Groce away from Akron and brought him back to Ohio ? could happen ya never know.
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 9:12:32 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
I ran across this article about the search that landed Phillips: https://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-basketball/2014/4/5/558598...
According to Arkley's sources the list includes: Saul Phillips, North Dakota State Pat Kelsey, Winthrop Jeff Neubauer, Eastern Kentucky LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central
Kelsey is still at Winthrop after taking the Umass job for 2 days in 2017. Moton is still at NC Central. Neubauer is in his 4th season at Fordham where he is 48-64. No one can win at Fordham but he is trending the wrong direction:
2019 - (9-9, 0-5 A-10)
2018 - (9-22, 4-14 A-10)
2017 - (13-19, 7-11 A-10)
2016 - (17-14, 8-10 A-10)


I liked Kelsey then. I still like him now. He knows Ohio and has ties to the Gillen/Prosser/Matta/Mack tree at Xavier like Groce did. Bring him back to his native land.



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   Posted: 1/21/2019 9:37:02 PM 
Gman wrote:
John Groce left under good terms with Schauss, wouldn't that be something if Schauss stole Groce away from Akron and brought him back to Ohio ? could happen ya never know.


The stuff of dreams. My fingers are crossed.
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 10:15:11 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:

Will someone tell me WHY so many have this "fetish" will Jeff Boals??? I see no 'look what I did' with Matta at OSU. And no 'wonder coach' at Stony Brook. I would much rather try to poach Groce from Akron if Saul gets the boot.


I'm not the one to tell you since I don't have it, but I'd love to hear why as well. One thing I read consistently is that he was a good player here and is an alumnus, so he should automatically want to come to Ohio over his currently well oiled machine at Stony Brook. And he'll be able to replicate that success at Ohio because he's an alumnus and came from one of the best era's of Ohio Basketball. That seems to be the prevailing thought process to me anyway - both here, and in other social media places I've seen his name mentioned as the supposed obvious replacement for Saul. Same logic seems to apply to Geno Ford.


Basically the same logic of every fan base on every college message board in the history of athletic message boards whenever a former player is projected as a head coach (see for example Steve Spurrier, Kliff Kingsbury, Mark Richt, Scott Frost, et cetra, et cetra)


Spurrier won a National Championship and won the SEC 4 times and had South Carolina ranked No. 4 in the Country in 2011 so Iím not sure what this quote even means.
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