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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/12/2018 8:47:42 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Definitely agree, but right now Buffalo is living it, along with adding a 4 star this year.....sighs
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   Posted: 12/12/2018 8:49:45 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
The return game with Ohio was already agreed upon before Ohio played at Rupp.. . .


This may be true, but it was not the way it was portrayed in the press immediately following the game in the Bluegrass State -- at least in the articles and sportscasts I was exposed to.


"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

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   Posted: 12/12/2018 9:04:33 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
The return game with Ohio was already agreed upon before Ohio played at Rupp.. . .


This may be true, but it was not the way it was portrayed in the press immediately following the game in the Bluegrass State -- at least in the articles and sportscasts I was exposed to.



We had talked about that in our "Bobcat Attack Media Days" (sorry had to get a plug for our sponsors) about how they brought back a great nucleus and got the one kid from Prolific Prep (same HS as Gary Trent Jr.)

Nonetheless, the press missed the boat on Buffalo. We'll see where the Bobcats end up but I do not like where the colts are currently breaking against the fighting Beefs
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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/12/2018 10:34:31 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
#5 seed in the current ESPN Bracketology for what it's worth.


Let's revisit that thought in March when they are squarely "on the bubble" if they don't win in Cleveland.


If they beat Marquette and Syracuse it would take a pretty monumental collapse to not earn an at-large bid.

Two wins there and they might be Top Ten (not saying they're definitely one of the ten best ... but at #14 now, they'll only continue to rise)

They'd have to go 12-6 or 11-7 in MAC to not earn a bid if they go unbeaten in non-conf with wins at Syracuse, Marquette and WVU


I'll believe it when I see it. The NCAA tourney selection committee is good at finding ways to snub mid majors every year.


Seconded. If UB went 12-6 in the MAC, there's no way in hell they're getting an at-large with any selection committee. I have no faith in that group at all until they prove otherwise.


Agree the selection committee is far from perfect ... or even good.

But if UB goes unbeaten in OOC ... and 13-5 at worst in MAC .... that would be something like 25-5 with three Top 50 road wins. They'd be in.

24-6 would possibly be bubble bound
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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/12/2018 10:35:30 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
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#ThreadDrift - did any group of Ohio recruits ever come with more national ranking / hype, yet do so little in their tenure than the trio of Sanjay Adell, Corey Reed and Diante Flenorl?


Were Dave Jamerson and Snoopy Graham in the same recruiting class? If not, one year apart? Both were NBA draft picks with very little team success at Ohio under Billy Hahn.



I realize that many on the board will unequivocally say that the 1994-95 team was the greatest Bobcat team that ever played in the Convo. However, let's give some love to the 1985-86 Bobcat squad with the Dynamic Duo Freshmen Paul "Snoopy Graham" and Dave Jamerson who both spent a few years in the NBA. The 1986 Wednesday night home match-up with the then Miami Redskins featuring Ron Harper is tied for the most electric crowd I have ever seen in a mid week game (the other is the 1983 phenomenal double OT win against then powerhouse DePaul and their legendary coach Ray Meyer who took the DePaul to the Final Four in 1943!)

Bobsquared was curious about their one year difference in graduating classes. It is almost forgotten that Dave Jamerson suffered an injury in between his freshman and sophomore years. Coach Billy Hahn took over from Coach Danny Nee, and one can only wonder what must have gone through Jamerson's mind as he sat out the season. While Jamerson and Graham got a great deal of accolades their freshman year, one cannot forget the amazing play of seniors Paul Baron and Robert Tatum (the hero behind the first round 1983 NCAA tournament winning shot against Illinois State,) and sophomores Big John Rhodes and Marty Lehman. With that kind of talent and the recruiting connections Nee was making around the state and the East Coast, it's no wonder why he made the statement that had he stayed in Athens he now believes he could have taken the Bobcats to the Final Four.

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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/13/2018 2:41:44 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Definitely agree, but right now Buffalo is living it, along with adding a 4 star this year.....sighs


Two 4-star's technically, and both of them are playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Graves, Massinburg, and Harris, followed by Caruthers and Davonta Jordan. UB will be an interesting situation to follow whenever Oats ends up somewhere else like most assume he will.
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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/13/2018 3:54:54 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Definitely agree, but right now Buffalo is living it, along with adding a 4 star this year.....sighs


Two 4-star's technically, and both of them are playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Graves, Massinburg, and Harris, followed by Caruthers and Davonta Jordan. UB will be an interesting situation to follow whenever Oats ends up somewhere else like most assume he will.


It will be interesting to see how many of these players follow Nate Oats to Penn State next year.

(And how Jeff Boals will do taking over Buffalo with whoever is left.)








Last Edited: 12/13/2018 3:56:25 PM by Ohio69


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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/13/2018 4:37:16 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
#ThreadDrift - did any group of Ohio recruits ever come with more national ranking / hype, yet do so little in their tenure than the trio of Sanjay Adell, Corey Reed and Diante Flenorl?


Were Dave Jamerson and Snoopy Graham in the same recruiting class? If not, one year apart? Both were NBA draft picks with very little team success at Ohio under Billy Hahn.



I realize that many on the board will unequivocally say that the 1994-95 team was the greatest Bobcat team that ever played in the Convo. However, let's give some love to the 1985-86 Bobcat squad with the Dynamic Duo Freshmen Paul "Snoopy Graham" and Dave Jamerson who both spent a few years in the NBA. The 1986 Wednesday night home match-up with the then Miami Redskins featuring Ron Harper is tied for the most electric crowd I have ever seen in a mid week game (the other is the 1983 phenomenal double OT win against then powerhouse DePaul and their legendary coach Ray Meyer who took the DePaul to the Final Four in 1943!)

Bobsquared was curious about their one year difference in graduating classes. It is almost forgotten that Dave Jamerson suffered an injury in between his freshman and sophomore years. Coach Billy Hahn took over from Coach Danny Nee, and one can only wonder what must have gone through Jamerson's mind as he sat out the season. While Jamerson and Graham got a great deal of accolades their freshman year, one cannot forget the amazing play of seniors Paul Baron and Robert Tatum (the hero behind the first round 1983 NCAA tournament winning shot against Illinois State,) and sophomores Big John Rhodes and Marty Lehman. With that kind of talent and the recruiting connections Nee was making around the state and the East Coast, it's no wonder why he made the statement that had he stayed in Athens he now believes he could have taken the Bobcats to the Final Four.


This was slightly before my time, but seemed like a great time to be a Bobcat basketball fan. To have both Snoopy and Jamerson on the team together must've been magical.

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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/13/2018 4:56:49 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Definitely agree, but right now Buffalo is living it, along with adding a 4 star this year.....sighs


Two 4-star's technically, and both of them are playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Graves, Massinburg, and Harris, followed by Caruthers and Davonta Jordan. UB will be an interesting situation to follow whenever Oats ends up somewhere else like most assume he will.


It will be interesting to see how many of these players follow Nate Oats to Penn State next year.

(And how Jeff Boals will do taking over Buffalo with whoever is left.)


Oats can do better? PSU would be a more questionable move than Groce to Illinois and look how that turned out.
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   Posted: 12/13/2018 5:57:50 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
#ThreadDrift - did any group of Ohio recruits ever come with more national ranking / hype, yet do so little in their tenure than the trio of Sanjay Adell, Corey Reed and Diante Flenorl?


Were Dave Jamerson and Snoopy Graham in the same recruiting class? If not, one year apart? Both were NBA draft picks with very little team success at Ohio under Billy Hahn.



I realize that many on the board will unequivocally say that the 1994-95 team was the greatest Bobcat team that ever played in the Convo. However, let's give some love to the 1985-86 Bobcat squad with the Dynamic Duo Freshmen Paul "Snoopy Graham" and Dave Jamerson who both spent a few years in the NBA. The 1986 Wednesday night home match-up with the then Miami Redskins featuring Ron Harper is tied for the most electric crowd I have ever seen in a mid week game (the other is the 1983 phenomenal double OT win against then powerhouse DePaul and their legendary coach Ray Meyer who took the DePaul to the Final Four in 1943!)

Bobsquared was curious about their one year difference in graduating classes. It is almost forgotten that Dave Jamerson suffered an injury in between his freshman and sophomore years. Coach Billy Hahn took over from Coach Danny Nee, and one can only wonder what must have gone through Jamerson's mind as he sat out the season. While Jamerson and Graham got a great deal of accolades their freshman year, one cannot forget the amazing play of seniors Paul Baron and Robert Tatum (the hero behind the first round 1983 NCAA tournament winning shot against Illinois State,) and sophomores Big John Rhodes and Marty Lehman. With that kind of talent and the recruiting connections Nee was making around the state and the East Coast, it's no wonder why he made the statement that had he stayed in Athens he now believes he could have taken the Bobcats to the Final Four.


The DePaul game on Valentine's Day 1983 is on the top of my list for electric atmospheres in the Convo (and winning a dollar bet with my HS history teacher helps me savor the victory - still have the dollar). I believe that was Ray Meyer's last season at the helm. Baron's two free throws with less than a minute left in the second OT clinched it, and were his only points of the game. Tyrone Corbin (16 years in NBA, currently coaches for the Magic) led all scorers with 21. Both Baron and Victor Alexander, who led us in scoring against Depaul with 14, were in the Convo a week ago with Danny Nee, great to see them in the Round House again. The 'Cats dominated the boards that night 55-38. A month later the win over Illinois State in Tampa on Tatum's shot, may he rest in peace, is tied in my memory bank with Leon's tip-in for best Bobcat finishes witnessed in person.
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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/13/2018 6:29:22 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Definitely agree, but right now Buffalo is living it, along with adding a 4 star this year.....sighs


Two 4-star's technically, and both of them are playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Graves, Massinburg, and Harris, followed by Caruthers and Davonta Jordan. UB will be an interesting situation to follow whenever Oats ends up somewhere else like most assume he will.


It will be interesting to see how many of these players follow Nate Oats to Penn State next year.

(And how Jeff Boals will do taking over Buffalo with whoever is left.)




Or, Oats talked to Danny Nee who has said in retrospect he wished he'd stayed at OHIO and built a national powerhouse in the roundhouse. Just saying . . .


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   Posted: 12/13/2018 6:36:26 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Definitely agree, but right now Buffalo is living it, along with adding a 4 star this year.....sighs


Two 4-star's technically, and both of them are playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Graves, Massinburg, and Harris, followed by Caruthers and Davonta Jordan. UB will be an interesting situation to follow whenever Oats ends up somewhere else like most assume he will.


It will be interesting to see how many of these players follow Nate Oats to Penn State next year.

(And how Jeff Boals will do taking over Buffalo with whoever is left.)




Or, Oats talked to Danny Nee who has said in retrospect he wished he'd stayed at OHIO and built a national powerhouse in the roundhouse. Just saying . . .



Means someone in Buffalo better write a fat check to keep him......
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   Posted: 12/13/2018 10:34:24 PM 

Illinois worked out just fine for Groce. Made several million and then ended up right back where he was before he left. At a mid major with a nice salary.

If a middling P5 school like Penn State offers Oats $1+ million per year he will take it and it will be the smart decision. MAC basketball is not a long term win for a coach. There is no loyalty in the MAC either. If you catch fire and win some NCAA games and stay and then donít win the MAC for a few years you will be out. So, take your MAC team to the to the NCAA and then get to P5 land and get your $.

But hey, maybe Buffalo will pay $1.5 million and keep Oats. Would be pretty cool if it happened.


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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/14/2018 12:29:20 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Illinois worked out just fine for Groce. Made several million and then ended up right back where he was before he left. At a mid major with a nice salary.


Yes but while YOU may think it worked out just fine for Groce do you think HE feels it worked out just fine for him? Groce (and Oats) are what matter in the equation, not what you and I think. John Groce was fired at Illinois because he did not succeed there. Are you saying that Groce considered that just fine? I'm sure Oats has plans bigger then just a fleeting big contract payday before returning to the MAC. Groce sure did.
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   Posted: 12/14/2018 1:55:07 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Illinois worked out just fine for Groce. Made several million and then ended up right back where he was before he left. At a mid major with a nice salary.


Yes but while YOU may think it worked out just fine for Groce do you think HE feels it worked out just fine for him? Groce (and Oats) are what matter in the equation, not what you and I think. John Groce was fired at Illinois because he did not succeed there. Are you saying that Groce considered that just fine? I'm sure Oats has plans bigger then just a fleeting big contract payday before returning to the MAC. Groce sure did.


Up late after "midnight basketball,' eh?

I agree with your comments. I don't get the constant theme on here where various posters tell coaches what they should do, or even worse make point blank predictions about what they will do, without even a "probably" as a qualifier. I don't know Oats; I don't know his long-term goals. I do think it's presumptuous to assume we know how they will react in a hypothetical situation in the future.


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   Posted: 12/14/2018 8:09:48 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
GroverBall wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Illinois worked out just fine for Groce. Made several million and then ended up right back where he was before he left. At a mid major with a nice salary.


Yes but while YOU may think it worked out just fine for Groce do you think HE feels it worked out just fine for him? Groce (and Oats) are what matter in the equation, not what you and I think. John Groce was fired at Illinois because he did not succeed there. Are you saying that Groce considered that just fine? I'm sure Oats has plans bigger then just a fleeting big contract payday before returning to the MAC. Groce sure did.


Up late after "midnight basketball,' eh?

I agree with your comments. I don't get the constant theme on here where various posters tell coaches what they should do, or even worse make point blank predictions about what they will do, without even a "probably" as a qualifier. I don't know Oats; I don't know his long-term goals. I do think it's presumptuous to assume we know how they will react in a hypothetical situation in the future.


I will admit he has done an impressive job and hope he sticks around long-term. As OU Country has said for a longer time, wish the MAC would realize it's fortunes don't lie with MACtion and let that wither on the vine.
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   Posted: 12/14/2018 8:45:04 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
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Illinois worked out just fine for Groce. Made several million and then ended up right back where he was before he left. At a mid major with a nice salary.


Yes but while YOU may think it worked out just fine for Groce do you think HE feels it worked out just fine for him? Groce (and Oats) are what matter in the equation, not what you and I think. John Groce was fired at Illinois because he did not succeed there. Are you saying that Groce considered that just fine? I'm sure Oats has plans bigger then just a fleeting big contract payday before returning to the MAC. Groce sure did.


Yes, I think he feels it worked out just fine. I didn't say "great". I said "just fine".

I assume these guys know the business. They know you get 4 years and then you get fired. They want to get that chance.

Groce got his chance, and got paid $5 million. Its not like Groce was winning Big10 titles (or even contending) and lots of NCAA games and got screwed or something. He probably thinks his firing was premature. But, that's the NCAA. I'm sure it stings. But, he made his $ and then landed another head coaching job.

Nate Oats surely had bigger things in mind than a fleeting chance. What coach doesn't?

But, when it doesn't work out and you still made $5+ million and then you are still making $500K as a head coach in mid-major land and if you do well you have another shot at making $1million, you are having a nice life. Things are definitely just fine.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Maybe St. Johns or Rugters instead of Penn State for Oats... Or, maybe the Miami Hurricanes if their coach retires.... Anyway that dude is gonna get his shot for sure, eh?







Last Edited: 12/14/2018 8:45:27 AM by Ohio69


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  Message Not Read  RE: buffalo is for real
   Posted: 12/14/2018 12:02:06 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


Buffalo this year is what Ohio would have been 2012-13 if Groce slid under the radar one more year with everyone back and Lavert & Bradds joining.


Pretty sure that Lavert and Bradds were in different classes. Bradds was HS class of 2013 and Lavert was 2012. Lavert would have been on that team but Bradds would have missed DJ and company.
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   Posted: 12/14/2018 12:35:19 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
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GraffZ06 wrote:
#ThreadDrift - did any group of Ohio recruits ever come with more national ranking / hype, yet do so little in their tenure than the trio of Sanjay Adell, Corey Reed and Diante Flenorl?


Were Dave Jamerson and Snoopy Graham in the same recruiting class? If not, one year apart? Both were NBA draft picks with very little team success at Ohio under Billy Hahn.



I realize that many on the board will unequivocally say that the 1994-95 team was the greatest Bobcat team that ever played in the Convo. However, let's give some love to the 1985-86 Bobcat squad with the Dynamic Duo Freshmen Paul "Snoopy Graham" and Dave Jamerson who both spent a few years in the NBA. The 1986 Wednesday night home match-up with the then Miami Redskins featuring Ron Harper is tied for the most electric crowd I have ever seen in a mid week game (the other is the 1983 phenomenal double OT win against then powerhouse DePaul and their legendary coach Ray Meyer who took the DePaul to the Final Four in 1943!)

Bobsquared was curious about their one year difference in graduating classes. It is almost forgotten that Dave Jamerson suffered an injury in between his freshman and sophomore years. Coach Billy Hahn took over from Coach Danny Nee, and one can only wonder what must have gone through Jamerson's mind as he sat out the season. While Jamerson and Graham got a great deal of accolades their freshman year, one cannot forget the amazing play of seniors Paul Baron and Robert Tatum (the hero behind the first round 1983 NCAA tournament winning shot against Illinois State,) and sophomores Big John Rhodes and Marty Lehman. With that kind of talent and the recruiting connections Nee was making around the state and the East Coast, it's no wonder why he made the statement that had he stayed in Athens he now believes he could have taken the Bobcats to the Final Four.


That 85/86 team was a helluva lot of fun to watch.
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   Posted: 12/14/2018 4:40:46 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
#5 seed in the current ESPN Bracketology for what it's worth.


Let's revisit that thought in March when they are squarely "on the bubble" if they don't win in Cleveland.


If they beat Marquette and Syracuse it would take a pretty monumental collapse to not earn an at-large bid.

Two wins there and they might be Top Ten (not saying they're definitely one of the ten best ... but at #14 now, they'll only continue to rise)

They'd have to go 12-6 or 11-7 in MAC to not earn a bid if they go unbeaten in non-conf with wins at Syracuse, Marquette and WVU


I'll believe it when I see it. The NCAA tourney selection committee is good at finding ways to snub mid majors every year.


Seconded. If UB went 12-6 in the MAC, there's no way in hell they're getting an at-large with any selection committee. I have no faith in that group at all until they prove otherwise.


Agree the selection committee is far from perfect ... or even good.

But if UB goes unbeaten in OOC ... and 13-5 at worst in MAC .... that would be something like 25-5 with three Top 50 road wins. They'd be in.

24-6 would possibly be bubble bound


A lot of years 12-6 wins the MAC. The league has such parity 15-3 is rare. My calculations show the 25th best team in the country would most likely go 15-3. But you don't need to be #25. You only need to be about #45. Getting 2 out of 3 against teams that will be in and out of the top 25 like WVU, Marquette, and Syracuse, sweeping the rest OOC, going 15-3 in the MAC, and 2-1 in the MAC tournament would probably be a top 20 strength of record with 5 total losses.

The tournament committee now wants to see a bunch of top 50 wins and does not respect avoiding losses in 15 games against 100-150 ranked teams with half on the road like they did 20 years ago. I still think 25-5 and 2-1 in the tourney would probably get it done. 24-6 and 2-1 probably would not even though I think it probably should.

But nearly every at-large worthy team in the MAC in the past 20 years has won the tournament. I expect Buffalo to do the same.

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   Posted: 12/15/2018 12:29:04 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


You didn't get to see Ball State take UNLV to the wire; perhaps could have been a final four team? That Cardinal team would get my vote.

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MonroeClassmate wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


You didn't get to see Ball State take UNLV to the wire; perhaps could have been a final four team? That Cardinal team would get my vote.



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   Posted: 12/15/2018 4:44:41 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I think they might be the best MAC team I've ever seen, which dates back to 1995-96. It still amazes me that Nate Oats didn't end up elsewhere - Pitt for example - after last year.


You didn't get to see Ball State take UNLV to the wire; perhaps could have been a final four team? That Cardinal team would get my vote.



Agreed. That was a vastly better era for the whole conference, and that was a really great team.

Read "The Upset that Nearly Was" section. The part about UNLV players wearing Ball State hats to the Final Four is classic. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-03-...
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   Posted: 12/15/2018 6:02:30 PM 
That Ball State Dick Hunsaker coached team had a great deal of talent leftover from Rick Majerus. Now Coach Majerus wasn't exactly may favorite coach, but he certainly got the most out of his players. He made the players believe he recruited them to win and if they didn't, they weren't measuring up to their potential. Coach Hunasker took Ball State to the NCAA tournament later on as well so he wasn't merely using only Majerus' talent.

The key to any form of coaching is how much you are getting out of each player. Ball State had an amazing stretch where they got the most out of what they had; a modern comparison would probably be the current Northwestern football team. I don't believe the Wildcats have a single four or five star recruit in their starting line-up. Yet, Northwestern manages to compete and defeat teams with far superior "on paper" talent. Coach Oats has talent on his Buffalo squad, but his talent isn't that far superior to many of the upper echelon MAC teams in this or any recent year. Coach Oats simply knows what he is doing.
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Has any other school tried to offer Nate a position?
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