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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 2:43:27 PM 
Is TK allowed to do just whatever on the court?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 2:44:52 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Turnovers in clusters killing us just when we should be putting this away


This is an understatement. If your not going to take open threes in favor of going inside, you canít throw it away as much as we do. Fortunately it is an area that can be improved with work. Starting to make some threes wouldnít hurt either. The good news is that our defense and rebounding are holding up.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 2:49:49 PM 
Cats were up 16 at one point. It's now 4. So. Many. Turnovers.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 2:53:40 PM 
this is one bad stretch of basketball against a horrible defensive team
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 2:58:19 PM 
What an epic collapse against a terrible team
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:03:03 PM 
Before this game TK was SECOND in the country in turnovers. He will probably be first after this.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:04:32 PM 
It's a win but that was an ugly final 10 minutes. There had to be 20+ turnovers. Half of them unforced.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:05:55 PM 
As sad as that was at least we got one key stop when needed. Any confidence that was building after the recent stretch is pretty much gone now though. I know, I know, road win, but Toledo beat these guys by 40
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:06:06 PM 
Turnovers, missed layups, missed ft's down the stretch, and we won by a banked in three. Doesn't feel like a win, but goes down in the books as one either way.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:06:26 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Cats were up 16 at one point. It's now 4. So. Many. Turnovers.


Actually it was 19 .. 52 - 33.

Take away Carter's FT's and the rest of the guys were 6 - 16. High school kids shoot it better from the line.

Whereas Kirk has good ppg average his TO's offset much of what he does. Has to learn to play both 'smart' and more under control.

Last Edited: 12/15/2018 3:08:01 PM by mid70sbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:08:21 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
Is TK allowed to do just whatever on the court?


That makes that 3-pointer a carte blanche shot off glass?

Last Edited: 12/15/2018 3:08:34 PM by Brian Smith


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:10:01 PM 
OK a win is a win, but my goodness that was a depressing stretch in the second half. My friends who are Dayton alums were telling me how terrible Detroit Mercy was after seeing them in person against the Flyers. They told me that we should have no problems. Well about halfway through the second half all seemed fine, but then it seemed the team was ready to mail in the victory from Detroit. This was more about attitude than talent. If we don't show up at road games against teams like Buffalo, it is going to ugly a lot faster than it did against hapless Detroit Mercy. Let's hope we have seen the last of games like this for a long time.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:11:10 PM 
Our PG with no court vision was slightly better than their PG with no court vision.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:12:07 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
It's a win but that was an ugly final 10 minutes. There had to be 20+ turnovers. Half of them unforced.


We were 291st in the country in turnovers coming into the game, and that likely went up after today. And you are right about so many being unforced. It seems like some of our guards just jump and try to throw blind passes without really knowing where they are going.

Three point % and turnover rate continue to be the two biggest flaws on this team. We need Gollon and Dartis back badly.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:12:10 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
Is TK allowed to do just whatever on the court?


That's how Saul handled Jaaron Simmons.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:17:49 PM 
Sual's lack of in game adjustments is mind boggling. I cant tell if its stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:19:42 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
Sual's lack of in game adjustments is mind boggling. I cant tell if its stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."


What about Ohio's late possession coming out of a time out? TK and Preston playing catch for 20-plus seconds 30 feet from the basket before TK banks in a long 3. Isn't that great coaching?

Last Edited: 12/15/2018 3:20:23 PM by bobcatsquared

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:19:42 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Detroit has already played 6 games against MAC opponents, so this will be a great gauge for MAC play. They are 2-4.(wins over BG and EMU)(losses to WMU, Akron, Kent, Toledo)


Iíll take the win, but this doesnít bode well for conference play if this is a good gauge. Thankful he made the game winner, but canít win consistently in conference play when point guard turns it over between 6-10 times per game.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:23:34 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
Sual's lack of in game adjustments is mind boggling. I cant tell if its stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."


He is limited. So I'd add "lack of personnel" (without Dartis & Gollon) to your "stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity". Horrible last 10 minutes but until we get at least one of those guys back we will struggle due to lack of depth.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 3:58:27 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
bobcat28 wrote:
Sual's lack of in game adjustments is mind boggling. I cant tell if its stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."


He is limited. So I'd add "lack of personnel" (without Dartis & Gollon) to your "stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity". Horrible last 10 minutes but until we get at least one of those guys back we will struggle due to lack of depth.



How many YEARS does this excuse qualify?

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to address recruiting (find guys who aren't as prone to injury, and/or recruit MORE talented players so when injuries strike you aren't always playing short-handed) and it's time to address nutrition/conditioning/training (to help keep guys healthy).

Both of those areas fall on the staff. But instead of taking ownership and actively trying to remedy this situation - we get "He's limited by lack of personnel" and "well you can't judge him without his full roster" and "boy he's sure had bad luck with injuries".

Successful people make their own luck.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 4:29:20 PM 
Didnít see the game. However not a good stat line when the PG has 8 turns and shoots 50%from the line. How many, if any, charging fouls was he assessed?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 4:33:47 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
bobcat28 wrote:
Sual's lack of in game adjustments is mind boggling. I cant tell if its stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."


He is limited. So I'd add "lack of personnel" (without Dartis & Gollon) to your "stubbornness, arrogance or stupidity". Horrible last 10 minutes but until we get at least one of those guys back we will struggle due to lack of depth.



How many YEARS does this excuse qualify?

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to address recruiting (find guys who aren't as prone to injury, and/or recruit MORE talented players so when injuries strike you aren't always playing short-handed) and it's time to address nutrition/conditioning/training (to help keep guys healthy).

Both of those areas fall on the staff. But instead of taking ownership and actively trying to remedy this situation - we get "He's limited by lack of personnel" and "well you can't judge him without his full roster" and "boy he's sure had bad luck with injuries".

Successful people make their own luck.



Excuses? So losing Campbell didn't impact the overall success of the team? I mean what's 17 ppg? Losing Carter last year also had no impact? Averaged 10 ppg as frosh and plays 3 games last year. Gollon and Dartis no big loss, right?
And you say "recruit MORE talented" guys .. lol. The 4 I mentioned are pretty darn talented and Campbell & Carter did have MAJOR impacts on how the seasons played out. 7-3 at this stage with Dartis & Gollon out is decent. And blame Saul if you wish but we still went 20-11 the year Campbell went down.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 4:34:26 PM 
SBH wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Is TK allowed to do just whatever on the court?


That's how Saul handled Jaaron Simmons.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 6:34:26 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
It's a win but that was an ugly final 10 minutes. There had to be 20+ turnovers. Half of them unforced.


We were 291st in the country in turnovers coming into the game, and that likely went up after today. And you are right about so many being unforced. It seems like some of our guards just jump and try to throw blind passes without really knowing where they are going.

Three point % and turnover rate continue to be the two biggest flaws on this team. We need Gollon and Dartis back badly.


Exactly on point. And as I stated TK was 2md in total turnovers coming into the game. He is probably 1st now.

Block, BVP and an occasional Carter shot are only deep threats right now. It was nice to see Murrell finally hit one and he played well, but once again the coaches decide to not even play him in the 2nd half? I dont get that. He was one of the only guys finding open spots in the zone.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 10 Thread: Detroit Mercy
   Posted: 12/15/2018 6:35:42 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
SBH wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Is TK allowed to do just whatever on the court?


That's how Saul handled Jaaron Simmons.


And Bean.


Had a conversation with a former Saul player at NDSU this summer that opened my eyes a lot. Apparently this was a theme there as well.


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