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Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/23/2018 7:04:42 PM  http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-are-we-tip-toe... Staggering revenue numbers for the Power 5. 880k per football player and 1.3M per basketball player. This guy has some interesting takes. Not as exciting as hand dryers, soft pretzels or uniform colors, but interesting nonetheless. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/24/2018 12:22:35 PM  Two thoughts on this: 1) When generating these numbers on a per athlete basis, I think it would be interesting to compare the rest of D1 schools relative to the P5, or in basketball, I think P6. 2) It's fair to say, and to consider, that at several of these schools in the article, those high revenue programs, be it hoops, or football, also subsidize a dozen other sports in the athletic department. I don't know what the numbers look like, but I do know that OSU wouldn't have the quantity of sports that they have if it weren't for the revenue generated by football. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/24/2018 11:22:50 PM  That's very true. However, his point is that the odds of pro status are very slim and these guys should be paid now, especially since coaches are averaging 3.7m. How would you react if your company told you your pay was meager because you were supporting people in other departments who didn't generate any revenue? It's hard to wrap your head around players being paid, but things have changed drastically. In 1981 Bo Shembechler made 100k at Michigan. With 3.5% inflation that number would be 385k today. Harbaugh makes 9m. That's all you need to know. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/25/2018 2:30:09 PM  giacomo wrote: That's very true. However, his point is that the odds of pro status are very slim and these guys should be paid now, especially since coaches are averaging 3.7m. How would you react if your company told you your pay was meager because you were supporting people in other departments who didn't generate any revenue? It's hard to wrap your head around players being paid, but things have changed drastically. In 1981 Bo Shembechler made 100k at Michigan. With 3.5% inflation that number would be 385k today. Harbaugh makes 9m. That's all you need to know. Personally, it's not all I need to know. While I agree hundreds of college basketball and football coaches are wildly overpaid, it doesn't just end there. Plenty of schools have highly paid golf coaches, or track coaches too. The issue isn't the need to pay players - not in my opinion anyway. The issue is the megabucks being paid to coaches, ADs, and universities for TV deals, and other things such as apparel sales. Somewhere, for me, there's a middle ground that makes sense, and for me it would start with allowing players to make money on their likeness. To me, the minute we start seeing players "paid" as you and others suggest, is the minute we start seeing the end of college sports as we know it now. Another simple solution is this: take all the money made by TV rights fees, and distribute it equally across every school in the NCAA. Then, the have's and have not's aren't separated by the same enormous chasm, and the have's can't afford to pay football coaches some of the insane salaries they get paid. Of course nothing like this would ever happen in the NCAA, I know that. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/26/2018 4:08:07 PM  I'm not sure the solution is paying the players, either. Someone has and will challenge the NCAA in court and it looks like it could go that way. You can't argue that Power 5 men's football and basketball is an amateur operation. Schools like ours are starting to bid up coaches salaries, but with the revenue we generate really have no business doing so. The top players can't go pro after high school and they can't get paid in school. I'd like to see the top players boycott the system and then we'll see if everyone pays to see Jim Harbaugh coach. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,502 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/27/2018 6:36:28 AM  Interesting article in today's (9/27) The Post about paying college athletes. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,502 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/27/2018 7:32:07 AM  The idea of paying players has been talked about on Ba before. To do this,there are a number of legal/procedural issues that come into play. 1.From what was posted,if you want to pay athletes,you'd have to pay all male/female D1 athletes. They also all have to paid equally. Where do you get the money ? 2.The NCAA regulates how many scholarships can be given in each sport. So,anyone who receives either a full or partial scholarship would have to have that deducted from any other compensation. 3.Again,according to previous posts,if a university pays athletes,they become employees. That opens up a whole other can of worms. 4.If athletes are paid,will their compensation be the same at all schools,or will the "haves" be able to out bid the "have nots". To me,let a kid go pro right out of high school if he wants and leave college sports to true "student athletes". Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/27/2018 10:44:42 AM  rpbobcat wrote: The idea of paying players has been talked about on Ba before. To do this,there are a number of legal/procedural issues that come into play. 1.From what was posted,if you want to pay athletes,you'd have to pay all male/female D1 athletes. They also all have to paid equally. Where do you get the money ? 2.The NCAA regulates how many scholarships can be given in each sport. So,anyone who receives either a full or partial scholarship would have to have that deducted from any other compensation. 3.Again,according to previous posts,if a university pays athletes,they become employees. That opens up a whole other can of worms. 4.If athletes are paid,will their compensation be the same at all schools,or will the "haves" be able to out bid the "have nots". To me,let a kid go pro right out of high school if he wants and leave college sports to true "student athletes". I'm with rp's last sentence there. Let kids go pro whenever they want to wherever they want - as in, the NBA, Euro hoops, or whatever other league. Let them test the waters. If they don't get drafted let them come back to school. No red tape, just let them come back to school. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 9/28/2018 12:08:39 PM  You can say let the kids go pro right out of high school, but they don't allow it and likely won't, as the professional leagues are not subject to anti-trust laws. They are like a big country club that makes their own rules. Secondly, the cat is already out of the bag with the Power 5 with the huge revenues and coaches salaries. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/1/2018 6:06:28 PM  Thank you for posting this link. I was once against paying players, thinking that they are compensated with a degree and food/housing and opening up Pandora's box with compensating other athletes from non-revenue sports. My stance has changed over the years. I find it disturbing that ADs, coaches, networks and others can make billions -- I said billions -- on a product driven by unpaid talent. I don't have answers to all of the questions, but to not financially compensate the athletes for this seems wrong. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/1/2018 8:09:24 PM  I'm with you on that line of thinking. Something will happen eventually so that the players get some compensation. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/3/2018 1:37:15 PM  I think the long, long term solution is the revenue-producing sports (essentially basketball and football) become club teams that have financial support from the NFL and NBA, with loose ties to a university just to keep the name, colors, mascot, traditions, etc. Players will get a five-figure stipend. That leaves all the other sports and a lot of small programs out in the cold, of course. I just can't see the NCAA's reasoning for not sharing the astounding amount of revenue those two sports produce, built on the backs of players who receive relatively little, in the hands of so few people standing up in court too much longer. Last Edited: 10/3/2018 1:38:07 PM by . Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/3/2018 3:19:07 PM  Brian Smith wrote: I think the long, long term solution is the revenue-producing sports (essentially basketball and football) become club teams that have financial support from the NFL and NBA, with loose ties to a university just to keep the name, colors, mascot, traditions, etc. Players will get a five-figure stipend. That leaves all the other sports and a lot of small programs out in the cold, of course. I just can't see the NCAA's reasoning for not sharing the astounding amount of revenue those two sports produce, built on the backs of players who receive relatively little, in the hands of so few people standing up in court too much longer. I posted something similar about a year or two ago. I think this will be the way of the future -- at least for football -- where there are semi-pro club teams that play at or near university locations. The key is capturing the fan base and making them feel like this is still "their team". Would still need to be managed by some type of NCAA sub-organization to control teams, players, coaches, etc. the way the XFL was set up. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/3/2018 5:35:30 PM  OhioStunter wrote: Thank you for posting this link. I was once against paying players, thinking that they are compensated with a degree and food/housing and opening up Pandora's box with compensating other athletes from non-revenue sports. My stance has changed over the years. I find it disturbing that ADs, coaches, networks and others can make billions -- I said billions -- on a product driven by unpaid talent. I don't have answers to all of the questions, but to not financially compensate the athletes for this seems wrong. And then this comes out today: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries / Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,502 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/4/2018 6:27:21 AM  Last night I watched the HBO Documentary "Student Athlete". It goes into the whole unpaid athlete issue. It was interesting,especially what can happen to college athletes who focus on making the pros in college,then don't. Back to Top Dumpshq     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/4/2018 8:03:45 AM  This Message was Deleted at 10/4/2018 10:55:56 AM Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,452 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/4/2018 9:39:16 AM  Every year when this list comes out, I look for Kirk Ferentz's salary buyout. Then I spend the next few minutes laughing hysterically Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Alston vs NCAA    Posted: 10/4/2018 10:36:14 AM  Dumpshq wrote: Thanks for the Post it is Very Informative But I want to Share my Experience with you that i Pass JN0-347 Exam at first attempt by getting Best Exam Preparation Material Form :https://www.dumpshq.com / They Really were Amazing and I recommend you to Get Certification Exam from Dumpshq. How did you do on the grammar exam? 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