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Topic:  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 11:43:16 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Gman wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Gman wrote:
shabamon wrote:
67-60 is a fact
4th year is a fact
Bottom feeder is an opinion. By what metric?
Failure is an opinion. By what metric?
Program is in worse shape than it was four years ago is an opinion. By what metric?


Bottom Feeder in the MAC in his 4th year Ohio finishes last this year = Fact - pay attention

Ohio had Jim Christian before Saul Phillips, Christian won 49 games in 2 years Saul has won 67 in 4 years, I'm not making this stuff up its Facts Shabamon


And how well-regarded is Jim Christian around these parts for his stint in Athens?

Truthfully, Jim Christian wasn't that well regarded while he was here but that didn't stop him from winning 49 games in 2 years.



One could argue Christian won those games with players recruited by the prior coach who was able to take that same team (for the most part) to the Sweet 16.



One could also argue that Christian did much more with that group during regular season play, whereas Groce shined with them in postseason play. Groce never consistently won on the road, Christian did. Groce never won a regular season conference title, Christian did. One could also argue that there's clearly no guarantee that even Groce would have gotten back to the tournament the next year.


Excellent points. As much as I dislike Christian, he did deliver more consistently than his predecessor.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 11:59:05 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
Gman wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
So if Groce had DJ Cooper transfer before that 4th season and Walt Offutt go down with a season ending injury before conference play, he had enough depth on that team to still win all those games?

Go away, troll.


TROLL !!! LMAO If If If you are doing a lot of Iffing,I'd say I was attending Ohio Basketball games while you was crappin in diapers, Its time we as Bobcat Fans face the fact Saul Phillips has been a failure. You all can sugar coat it if you want but its a Fact. I've watched more Ohio Basketball than most anyone here on this board, not many here can say they watched Ohio play in Grover Center, I can, Its time for Saul to put up or hit the road, When you are in the 4th year and all the players are your players, you shouldn't have a losing record. Injuries or not.


Age has never and will never be an indicator of intelligence. Idiots don't gain expertise with age, they just perfect their craft.


IF-pedaling idiots also must place inate value in the power of the ulmighty excuse. "If" has no place in this discussion, but for the sake of your argument I don't think you'd care for the result IF the Sweet 16 bench played any of Saul's squads. That depth has not been seen since Christian left. I'm sure IF you enjoy mediocrity the last four years have been grand. I am of the opinion that a coach is paid to win and to cultivate and grow a revenue stream, not be satisfied with mid level results. The apathy and excuse making of self-identified long term super fans is a joke. Winning matters, product growth matters, ticket sales matter, and based on those facts the spot light on the programs stagnation is warranted. Saul does need to walk the talk. IF he does, maybe a thread will pop up on an extension. IF he doesn't, he's earned the result.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 12:35:39 PM 
Townie1977 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Gman wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
So if Groce had DJ Cooper transfer before that 4th season and Walt Offutt go down with a season ending injury before conference play, he had enough depth on that team to still win all those games?

Go away, troll.


TROLL !!! LMAO If If If you are doing a lot of Iffing,I'd say I was attending Ohio Basketball games while you was crappin in diapers, Its time we as Bobcat Fans face the fact Saul Phillips has been a failure. You all can sugar coat it if you want but its a Fact. I've watched more Ohio Basketball than most anyone here on this board, not many here can say they watched Ohio play in Grover Center, I can, Its time for Saul to put up or hit the road, When you are in the 4th year and all the players are your players, you shouldn't have a losing record. Injuries or not.


Age has never and will never be an indicator of intelligence. Idiots don't gain expertise with age, they just perfect their craft.


IF-pedaling idiots also must place inate value in the power of the ulmighty excuse. "If" has no place in this discussion, but for the sake of your argument I don't think you'd care for the result IF the Sweet 16 bench played any of Saul's squads. That depth has not been seen since Christian left. I'm sure IF you enjoy mediocrity the last four years have been grand. I am of the opinion that a coach is paid to win and to cultivate and grow a revenue stream, not be satisfied with mid level results. The apathy and excuse making of self-identified long term super fans is a joke. Winning matters, product growth matters, ticket sales matter, and based on those facts the spot light on the programs stagnation is warranted. Saul does need to walk the talk. IF he does, maybe a thread will pop up on an extension. IF he doesn't, he's earned the result.


IF....we keep beating this horse about Saul, is it going to make a difference in anyone's opinions come game number one in November? Or ten games in when there are actual on court results to talk about?

Good gracious, the broken record on this topic keeps on spinning, while we repeat our same opinions thread after thread. The damn dead horse has been beaten completely flat and into a pulp.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 1:47:25 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Townie1977 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Gman wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
So if Groce had DJ Cooper transfer before that 4th season and Walt Offutt go down with a season ending injury before conference play, he had enough depth on that team to still win all those games?

Go away, troll.


TROLL !!! LMAO If If If you are doing a lot of Iffing,I'd say I was attending Ohio Basketball games while you was crappin in diapers, Its time we as Bobcat Fans face the fact Saul Phillips has been a failure. You all can sugar coat it if you want but its a Fact. I've watched more Ohio Basketball than most anyone here on this board, not many here can say they watched Ohio play in Grover Center, I can, Its time for Saul to put up or hit the road, When you are in the 4th year and all the players are your players, you shouldn't have a losing record. Injuries or not.


Age has never and will never be an indicator of intelligence. Idiots don't gain expertise with age, they just perfect their craft.


IF-pedaling idiots also must place inate value in the power of the ulmighty excuse. "If" has no place in this discussion, but for the sake of your argument I don't think you'd care for the result IF the Sweet 16 bench played any of Saul's squads. That depth has not been seen since Christian left. I'm sure IF you enjoy mediocrity the last four years have been grand. I am of the opinion that a coach is paid to win and to cultivate and grow a revenue stream, not be satisfied with mid level results. The apathy and excuse making of self-identified long term super fans is a joke. Winning matters, product growth matters, ticket sales matter, and based on those facts the spot light on the programs stagnation is warranted. Saul does need to walk the talk. IF he does, maybe a thread will pop up on an extension. IF he doesn't, he's earned the result.


IF....we keep beating this horse about Saul, is it going to make a difference in anyone's opinions come game number one in November? Or ten games in when there are actual on court results to talk about?

Good gracious, the broken record on this topic keeps on spinning, while we repeat our same opinions thread after thread. The damn dead horse has been beaten completely flat and into a pulp.


But what a Cathartic experience it provides us as we await the next carpetbagger to come to Ohio and steal our money and break our hearts!!!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 1:56:59 PM 
oldkatz wrote:
but the guy can coach and has proved it.


You must be talking about his previous stop...North Dakota State...right? Name me one program defining win that Saul has had while in Athens??? I'm sure a few will say Western Kentucky....at home. Really....that's what stands out after 4 seasons??? Come on guys...this program is better than that. Interesting to see how many people are now finally starting to see the big picture. Mediocre recruiting and getting blasted by 20+ points too many times by conference opponents is a big time concern. We all know Saul has one year left. I hope he wins the MAC Tournament and gets a 4 year extension. I really do.....if not...the writing is on the wall. #10Months

Last Edited: 5/24/2018 2:00:13 PM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 1:58:45 PM 
The debate is going to continue, partly because there's ample evidence and rationale for supporting BOTH sides of the argument.

Saul HAS won 20 games 2 out of 4 seasons. Saul HAS dealt with transfers and injuries. Saul IS a really nice guy who seems to really love Athens and OU.

On the flip side, Saul's record ISN'T very good. We haven't made the NCAA tournament and haven't even reached the MAC Finals. Our schedules haven't been great. There are reasons to "wonder" about the impact/level of the recruits this staff has brought in.

And the debate is going to continue until one of two things happen:

1) Saul hits a home run on the recruits. The team gels. We miraculously stay healthy and make a run to the MAC finals and/or NCAA tournament. At which point all of OU celebrates and begins wondering when Saul will leave for greener pastures.

2) The team finishes outside the top 5 of the MAC and/or sub .500 again - and fails to make the MAC semifinals or better. At which point it's probably time to look in another direction for our team.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 2:01:51 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
but the guy can coach and has proved it.


You must be talking about his previous stop...North Dakota State...right? Name me one program defining win that Saul has had while in Athens??? I'm sure a few will say Western Kentucky....at home. Really....that's what stands out after 4 seasons??? Come on guys...this program is better than this. Interesting to see how many people are now finally starting to see the big picture. Mediocre recruiting and getting blasted by 20+ points too many times by conference opponents is a big time concern. We all know Saul has one year left. I hope he wins the MAC Tournament and gets a 4 year extension. I really do.....if not...the writing is on the wall. #10Months


I've been curious for awhile: #WhenIsTheLastTimeYouCameToAGame? Longer than #10months? #11months #9months? #Years?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 2:10:54 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:
But what a Cathartic experience it provides us as we await the next carpetbagger to come to Ohio and steal our money and break our hearts!!!


If you look at it that way, many college coaches fit that description. In my Bobcat lifetime, only Larry wasn't that guy, and he got run out of town.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 4:26:47 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Townie1977 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Gman wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
So if Groce had DJ Cooper transfer before that 4th season and Walt Offutt go down with a season ending injury before conference play, he had enough depth on that team to still win all those games?

Go away, troll.


TROLL !!! LMAO If If If you are doing a lot of Iffing,I'd say I was attending Ohio Basketball games while you was crappin in diapers, Its time we as Bobcat Fans face the fact Saul Phillips has been a failure. You all can sugar coat it if you want but its a Fact. I've watched more Ohio Basketball than most anyone here on this board, not many here can say they watched Ohio play in Grover Center, I can, Its time for Saul to put up or hit the road, When you are in the 4th year and all the players are your players, you shouldn't have a losing record. Injuries or not.


Age has never and will never be an indicator of intelligence. Idiots don't gain expertise with age, they just perfect their craft.


IF-pedaling idiots also must place inate value in the power of the ulmighty excuse. "If" has no place in this discussion, but for the sake of your argument I don't think you'd care for the result IF the Sweet 16 bench played any of Saul's squads. That depth has not been seen since Christian left. I'm sure IF you enjoy mediocrity the last four years have been grand. I am of the opinion that a coach is paid to win and to cultivate and grow a revenue stream, not be satisfied with mid level results. The apathy and excuse making of self-identified long term super fans is a joke. Winning matters, product growth matters, ticket sales matter, and based on those facts the spot light on the programs stagnation is warranted. Saul does need to walk the talk. IF he does, maybe a thread will pop up on an extension. IF he doesn't, he's earned the result.


IF....we keep beating this horse about Saul, is it going to make a difference in anyone's opinions come game number one in November? Or ten games in when there are actual on court results to talk about?

Good gracious, the broken record on this topic keeps on spinning, while we repeat our same opinions thread after thread. The damn dead horse has been beaten completely flat and into a pulp.


^^^^^
That.

The horse was beaten so frequently that a hole didn't need to be dug for it. The beating pounded it 6' under.

I'm not OK with mediocrity, but I'm understanding of the player availability issues presented to this team over the last two years, unlike select folks here. I understand that I might be a good golfer but taking a few important clubs out of the bag doesn't come without impact on my ability to get that little ball in the hole. No team in the MAC, none, has the depth to suffer what this team has suffered the last two years and see no negative effects on results. In my opinion, saying that does not constitute an "excuse." It's a fact that we've had to play with a lot less than a full deck the last two years, especially last year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 5:24:04 PM 
100%Cat wrote:

I'm not OK with mediocrity, but I'm understanding of the player availability issues presented to this team over the last two years, unlike select folks here. I understand that I might be a good golfer but taking a few important clubs out of the bag doesn't come without impact on my ability to get that little ball in the hole. No team in the MAC, none, has the depth to suffer what this team has suffered the last two years and see no negative effects on results. In my opinion, saying that does not constitute an "excuse." It's a fact that we've had to play with a lot less than a full deck the last two years, especially last year.


Of course everything you say is true. No team at the mid-major level can sustain at a high level with the injuries we've had.

To me, the question goes deeper. It's WHY have we been so ravished by injuries?

A) God hates us. Saul Phillips needs to sacrifice a chicken - and avoid all mirrors.
B) There's something medically/athletically wrong with the type of players Saul is recruiting.
C) There's something wrong with our strength, training & conditioning programs.

If you believe it's A) then there's nothing Saul can do and nothing we can do except cross our fingers and hope it gets better.

If you believe it's B) or C) - well then that opens up Saul and his staff to some criticism to fix it and make it better.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 5:49:24 PM 
Gman wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
I, for one, think Saul is a great fit for Athens and OU. Troll that comment up if you choose, but the guy can coach and has proved it.


oldkatz, I respect the hell out of you, I'd give you a kidney if you needed one, But Saul might fit the culture of Athens and of OU, but for his salary, put with the 67 & 60 record and 34 & 38 in the MAC in 4 years, he is not getting the job done.



He "won the press conference" when he was hired. Grand Slam. No way he could have done better at pressing the flesh and kissing the babies. That could explain the irrational blind loyalty to him.

see...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lINS7iY_Yss

He's obviously a good guy. That doesn't make him perfect for this particular coaching situation. He went from getting the first four prospects all jumping on board to what appears to be some real desperation offers to fill up the roster.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 8:17:08 PM 
greencat wrote:
Gman wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
I, for one, think Saul is a great fit for Athens and OU. Troll that comment up if you choose, but the guy can coach and has proved it.


oldkatz, I respect the hell out of you, I'd give you a kidney if you needed one, But Saul might fit the culture of Athens and of OU, but for his salary, put with the 67 & 60 record and 34 & 38 in the MAC in 4 years, he is not getting the job done.



He "won the press conference" when he was hired. Grand Slam. No way he could have done better at pressing the flesh and kissing the babies. That could explain the irrational blind loyalty to him.

see...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lINS7iY_Yss

He's obviously a good guy. That doesn't make him perfect for this particular coaching situation. He went from getting the first four prospects all jumping on board to what appears to be some real desperation offers to fill up the roster.


I'm assuming you may have considered that not getting a contract extension, if that in fact is the case, could have played a huge part in this scenario and the perceived caliber of recruits?

I read a great article in March about Tim Miles and his asking for a specific number of years in his extension. The specific reason that was quoted as his reason was directly related to recruiting against peer schools with longer contracts.

Of course if there's been an extension then this goes out the window.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 10:26:14 PM 
IF....we keep beating this horse about Saul, is it going to make a difference in anyone's opinions come game number one in November? Or ten games in when there are actual on court results to talk about?

Good gracious, the broken record on this topic keeps on spinning, while we repeat our same opinions thread after thread. The damn dead horse has been beaten completely flat and into a pulp.
[/QUOTE]

How bad do you "really" want to let it die when you really cannot, not, let it die yourself? I mean, you're 4,000+ more posts than the guy at the polar opposite perspective than you. Appears you're at the very, very least getting equal time?

Last Edited: 5/24/2018 10:27:14 PM by Chicken George

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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 11:02:21 PM 
Bold prediction: When halfway through next season Ohio is getting votes for the top 25, the same folks who are now calling for Saul's head will be the first to post that he will be taking a P6 offer as soon as the season is over. They will then begin speculating which P6 job he will take, and post every time they get a hint of a P6 coach who is on the "hot seat." They will be just as accurate then in their speculation about Saul's "next job" as they are now about Saul's inevitable firing. To me it's all grand theater.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 11:12:33 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bold prediction: When halfway through next season Ohio is getting votes for the top 25, the same folks who are now calling for Saul's head will be the first to post that he will be taking a P6 offer as soon as the season is over. They will then begin speculating which P6 job he will take, and post every time they get a hint of a P6 coach who is on the "hot seat." They will be just as accurate then in their speculation about Saul's "next job" as they are now about Saul's inevitable firing. To me it's all grand theater.


Yeah the Big Ten had a pretty stable off-season for a change. That said, either Penn State, Iowa, or Wisconsin I think will be the Big Ten jobs on the table come April 2019 if I had to bet if we're going to start that discussion early.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 11:21:19 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
but the guy can coach and has proved it.


You must be talking about his previous stop...North Dakota State...right? Name me one program defining win that Saul has had while in Athens??? I'm sure a few will say Western Kentucky....at home. Really....that's what stands out after 4 seasons??? Come on guys...this program is better than this. Interesting to see how many people are now finally starting to see the big picture. Mediocre recruiting and getting blasted by 20+ points too many times by conference opponents is a big time concern. We all know Saul has one year left. I hope he wins the MAC Tournament and gets a 4 year extension. I really do.....if not...the writing is on the wall. #10Months


I've been curious for awhile: #WhenIsTheLastTimeYouCameToAGame? Longer than #10months? #11months #9months? #Years?


Not sure how this is relevant, but I'll play along. November 16, 2017-Ohio Vs Clemson in Charleston #6Months7Days

Last Edited: 5/24/2018 11:22:42 PM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/24/2018 11:43:56 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bold prediction: When halfway through next season Ohio is getting votes for the top 25, the same folks who are now calling for Saul's head will be the first to post that he will be taking a P6 offer as soon as the season is over.


Obviously Athens still has thai stick, just like in the 1970's.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/25/2018 7:40:32 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
but the guy can coach and has proved it.


You must be talking about his previous stop...North Dakota State...right? Name me one program defining win that Saul has had while in Athens??? I'm sure a few will say Western Kentucky....at home. Really....that's what stands out after 4 seasons??? Come on guys...this program is better than this. Interesting to see how many people are now finally starting to see the big picture. Mediocre recruiting and getting blasted by 20+ points too many times by conference opponents is a big time concern. We all know Saul has one year left. I hope he wins the MAC Tournament and gets a 4 year extension. I really do.....if not...the writing is on the wall. #10Months


I've been curious for awhile: #WhenIsTheLastTimeYouCameToAGame? Longer than #10months? #11months #9months? #Years?


Not sure how this is relevant, but I'll play along. November 16, 2017-Ohio Vs Clemson in Charleston #6Months7Days


I was merely curious if, along with the criticism you offer, if you have bought tickets from the program to also support it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/25/2018 7:45:43 AM 
Chicken George wrote:
IF....we keep beating this horse about Saul, is it going to make a difference in anyone's opinions come game number one in November? Or ten games in when there are actual on court results to talk about?

Good gracious, the broken record on this topic keeps on spinning, while we repeat our same opinions thread after thread. The damn dead horse has been beaten completely flat and into a pulp.


How bad do you "really" want to let it die when you really cannot, not, let it die yourself? I mean, you're 4,000+ more posts than the guy at the polar opposite perspective than you. Appears you're at the very, very least getting equal time? [/QUOTE]

Fair point. One, I didn't start another thread on this well worn topic,though in fairness, Gman hasn't posted in awhile. Two, several of the posters you might be referring to don't post in the football forum unless I'm mistaken. But message heard. I'll let everyone else resume beating the horse a little further.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/25/2018 3:16:04 PM 
When is the home game with Purdue? I can't see the administration hanging on to Saul with such a big game to unveil a new coach.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/25/2018 11:33:11 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
When is the home game with Purdue? I can't see the administration hanging on to Saul with such a big game to unveil a new coach.


Huh? I guess in the off-season one has to expect lots of strange posts just to fill the time, but this is some of the strangest thinking I've seen in a long time. Fire Saul so we can have a new coach in place for the Purdue home game. I can't imagine that the Purdue game will make one wit of a difference when they decide whether or not to renew Saul. [If it hasn't been done already. Better issue a new FOIA request.]


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/26/2018 8:24:30 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
When is the home game with Purdue? I can't see the administration hanging on to Saul with such a big game to unveil a new coach.


I can't imagine that the Purdue game will make one wit of a difference when they decide whether or not to renew Saul. [If it hasn't been done already. Better issue a new FOIA request.]


Are you saying that Arkley's reporting is false when it comes to his story of no contract extension for Saul? Why don't you do your own FOIA request? Seems like you are the only one on here who thinks Saul received some mysterious extension. Check that...the second one. Because obviously the person who sent me a private message saying Saul was extended last October was wrong too.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/26/2018 10:09:09 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bold prediction: When halfway through next season Ohio is getting votes for the top 25, the same folks who are now calling for Saul's head will be the first to post that he will be taking a P6 offer as soon as the season is over. They will then begin speculating which P6 job he will take, and post every time they get a hint of a P6 coach who is on the "hot seat." They will be just as accurate then in their speculation about Saul's "next job" as they are now about Saul's inevitable firing. To me it's all grand theater.


I'm going to go off on a few different directions here...
As for your gold prediction line.... I'm not sure if I follow this at all... I hope Ohio is getting top 25 votes- with that non con schedule lining up, that will be nothing short of a miracle to win enough to be noticed. That said, speculating and debating- what we are doing here the reason a message board exists. Of course if Ohio has great success, Saul will get on the radar- that is the life of being a MAC school. (Exception is obviously a Solich sort of situation)

I would love nothing more to be wondering if Iowa is going to come after Saul. Means OU is winning. It beats the heck out of the alternative of wondering when the firing will come if they do not play well. And on that note- that is why this contract deal is so big... the fact he is not extended- even by a year shows the admin has little confidence in him.

And that hurts recruiting... that is absolutely something other coaches can point to. That is where Ohio AD and admin are doing the program a disservice.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/26/2018 11:39:00 AM 
Gman wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
I, for one, think Saul is a great fit for Athens and OU. Troll that comment up if you choose, but the guy can coach and has proved it.


oldkatz, I respect the hell out of you, I'd give you a kidney if you needed one, But Saul might fit the culture of Athens and of OU, but for his salary, put with the 67 & 60 record and 34 & 38 in the MAC in 4 years, he is not getting the job done.


I may keep you to your offer of a kidney, D...appreciate it! Keep away from OCF and a bathtub full of ice, though.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is Saul Phillips really the right fit for Ohio ?
   Posted: 5/26/2018 12:17:34 PM 
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bold prediction: When halfway through next season Ohio is getting votes for the top 25, the same folks who are now calling for Saul's head will be the first to post that he will be taking a P6 offer as soon as the season is over. They will then begin speculating which P6 job he will take, and post every time they get a hint of a P6 coach who is on the "hot seat." They will be just as accurate then in their speculation about Saul's "next job" as they are now about Saul's inevitable firing. To me it's all grand theater.


I'm going to go off on a few different directions here...
As for your gold prediction line.... I'm not sure if I follow this at all... I hope Ohio is getting top 25 votes- with that non con schedule lining up, that will be nothing short of a miracle to win enough to be noticed. That said, speculating and debating- what we are doing here the reason a message board exists. Of course if Ohio has great success, Saul will get on the radar- that is the life of being a MAC school. (Exception is obviously a Solich sort of situation)

I would love nothing more to be wondering if Iowa is going to come after Saul. Means OU is winning. It beats the heck out of the alternative of wondering when the firing will come if they do not play well. And on that note- that is why this contract deal is so big... the fact he is not extended- even by a year shows the admin has little confidence in him.

And that hurts recruiting... that is absolutely something other coaches can point to. That is where Ohio AD and admin are doing the program a disservice.


Beautifully said. I would add though that I think that an extension to the contract would have already happened by year number 3, if, in fact, the powers to be at Ohio were genuinely happy with Saul. Either that or we would have seen some significant changes in assistant coaching staff, other personnel, or when it comes to the direction of recruiting for example. After all, it is not like Saul inherited a rebuilding job. His task was simple: maintain what was already in place and build upon it. Unfortunately, the opposite has happened. However, a contract is a contract. Ohio has no money to buy Saul out, so you play it out. After all, the AD's future is at stake here as well. If the Bobcats turn it around in year five and turn it around big, Saul is back in the limelight and can cash in on the new success either at Ohio or another job. If not, the contract expires, the 'Cats go in a different direction, and everyone moves forward. This time though, I would expect the AD to be under pressure to find a proven winner with experience (similar to the Frank Solich situation) and we Bobcats would then find ourselves preparing to see what life is like with Rick Pitino at the helm. (Just kidding!)

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