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Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore? -Jordan Dartis will leave this school with the best 3pt shooting percentage in the history of the program. Better than Tommy Freeman. Better than Nick Kellogg. Better than Dave Jamerson. -Teyvion Kirk is on pace to score 1,800 career points. That's 6th all-time. Better than Ford, Skaggs, Williams, Tillman and Luckett. -Jason Carter is going to be an all-timer. Barring further injury or transfer, he's going to be listed among the greats. Just watch. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 12:32:22 PM  100%Cat wrote: OU_Country wrote: Townie1977 wrote: Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus? Actually, no, they haven't. Some have just given up on trying to convince idiots that there's more than one way to see things. That we don't need hashtags and ^^^^ to make a point and quote things like this page. That most of the people on here who talk like they know about recruiting don't know a damn thing. Threads like this and some of the comments in it demonstrate who those people are. I stopped feeding the trolls. Or at least I tried to. Yep, it's next to impossible to have a civil discussion. bornacat's signature (assuming he still has the same signature) pretty much says it all. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 12:44:43 PM  OUVan wrote: 100%Cat wrote: OU_Country wrote: Townie1977 wrote: Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus? Actually, no, they haven't. Some have just given up on trying to convince idiots that there's more than one way to see things. That we don't need hashtags and ^^^^ to make a point and quote things like this page. That most of the people on here who talk like they know about recruiting don't know a damn thing. Threads like this and some of the comments in it demonstrate who those people are. I stopped feeding the trolls. Or at least I tried to. Yep, it's next to impossible to have a civil discussion. bornacat's signature (assuming he still has the same signature) pretty much says it all. A great signature. I also like OCF's signature. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 1:38:48 PM  OU_Country wrote: I can't see how the current recruiting period can be as successful as Ohio needs it to be if he's sitting on the last year and they just let it run out. Not only that, but I can also see a possibility where other kids, currently on scholarship leaving soon if this isn't resolved quickly. Credit to Arkley for doing this. In my opinion it puts Schaus in a position where he needs a resolution and a response to this. What's a good resolution at this point? Reward 34–38 in the MAC (and maybe even worse, 67–60 overall) with another year? Eat $550,000 while running the program in the red? I think playing this year out is the best choice among a variety of bad options. SP has had bad luck with injuries but theoretically those should be resolved. Next year will be 100% his team and hopefully 100% healthy. We can see how it stacks up to the rest of the MAC, which is a lot better than it was when he was hired. I'd love to see a redemption year that truly earns an extension (though that's a very remote possibility), but you can't reward what's now the second-highest paid coach in the MAC for going 34-38 and credibly claim that you "build champions." Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 1:47:05 PM  GoCats105 wrote: -Jordan Dartis will leave this school with the best 3pt shooting percentage in the history of the program. Better than Tommy Freeman. Better than Nick Kellogg. Better than Dave Jamerson. Jordan is at .445. Freeman is at .443. If Jordan has the same stats from three-point land next season as he had this season (which was .424), he doesn't leave Ohio with the best three-point shooting percentage in history. But I get your point, we have good players. The question is why isn't that translating into good team success? Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 1:58:29 PM  OhioStunter wrote: GoCats105 wrote: -Jordan Dartis will leave this school with the best 3pt shooting percentage in the history of the program. Better than Tommy Freeman. Better than Nick Kellogg. Better than Dave Jamerson. Jordan is at .445. Freeman is at .443. If Jordan has the same stats from three-point land next season as he had this season (which was .424), he doesn't leave Ohio with the best three-point shooting percentage in history. But I get your point, we have good players. The question is why isn't that translating into good team success? Even in an injury plagued year he still shot over 42%. I'll stand by my assessment that he leaves here the best. Plus he'll have Jason in the paint next season kicking the ball out to him while drawing defenders. Get that hip healthy, Jordy! As far as the success thing...I think that's been hashed out over and over again on this board. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,036 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:03:53 PM  Maddog13 wrote: Come on, someone at Ohio recruited the likes of Craig Love, Tommy Corde (a personal favorite of mine), John Devereaux, Dave Jamerson, Walter Luckett (the cover of Sports Illustrated), Paul "Snoopy" Graham, Gary Trent, Brandon Hunter, Antonio Campbell, Gino Ford, Maurice Ndour, and D.J. Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore? Because according to some people, the new standard by which to judge recruiting is "did they have one other offer from one of the 351 D-1 playing colleges" which if implemented would have a school closer to #351 than #100 within a couple of seasons. Ohio Basketball started in 1922. Roughly 96 years ago. Saul has been coach for a relatively scant 4 years. Two of the four seasons were under .500 - so... what would make him bigger than the program itself to where he would be retained if the trajectory is not upward? Is he supposed to be "coach for life" now for some unknown reason? Talent-wise, (incoming, at least before the two open scollies are cashed in for transfers)... right now, according to the data available in the world, the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope. If you "settle for" in recruiting, you will end up settling for a team that ends up under .500 all the time and near the bottom of the league. Some of you sound like that is actually fine by you. College basketball is not life and death... it's not open-heart surgery or the removal of a brain tumor. It can be kept in the proper perspective and still not want the team to start sucking on an every year basis. Last Edited: 4/5/2018 2:10:05 PM by greencat Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,303 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:23:54 PM  greencat wrote: Maddog13 wrote: Come on, someone at Ohio recruited the likes of Craig Love, Tommy Corde (a personal favorite of mine), John Devereaux, Dave Jamerson, Walter Luckett (the cover of Sports Illustrated), Paul "Snoopy" Graham, Gary Trent, Brandon Hunter, Antonio Campbell, Gino Ford, Maurice Ndour, and D.J. Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore? Because according to some people, the new standard by which to judge recruiting is "did they have one other offer from one of the 351 D-1 playing colleges" which if implemented would have a school closer to #351 than #100 within a couple of seasons. Ohio Basketball started in 1922. Roughly 96 years ago. Saul has been coach for a relatively scant 4 years. Two of the four seasons were under .500 - so... what would make him bigger than the program itself to where he would be retained if the trajectory is not upward? Is he supposed to be "coach for life" now for some unknown reason? Talent-wise, (incoming, at least before the two open scollies are cashed in for transfers)... right now, according to the data available in the world, the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope. If you "settle for" in recruiting, you will end up settling for a team that ends up under .500 all the time and near the bottom of the league. Some of you sound like that is actually fine by you. College basketball is not life and death... it's not open-heart surgery or the removal of a brain tumor. It can be kept in the proper perspective and still not want the team to start sucking on an every year basis. So, devil's advocate... he's also been a 2-seed twice in four years. How many of our coaches have done that in recent history? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:30:55 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: OU_Country wrote: I can't see how the current recruiting period can be as successful as Ohio needs it to be if he's sitting on the last year and they just let it run out. Not only that, but I can also see a possibility where other kids, currently on scholarship leaving soon if this isn't resolved quickly. Credit to Arkley for doing this. In my opinion it puts Schaus in a position where he needs a resolution and a response to this. What's a good resolution at this point? Reward 34–38 in the MAC (and maybe even worse, 67–60 overall) with another year? Eat $550,000 while running the program in the red? I think playing this year out is the best choice among a variety of bad options. SP has had bad luck with injuries but theoretically those should be resolved. Next year will be 100% his team and hopefully 100% healthy. We can see how it stacks up to the rest of the MAC, which is a lot better than it was when he was hired. I'd love to see a redemption year that truly earns an extension (though that's a very remote possibility), but you can't reward what's now the second-highest paid coach in the MAC for going 34-38 and credibly claim that you "build champions." I suppose that depends on what the powers that be in Athens decide is most important to them. While I don't truly know, I have to assume allowing a coach to just play out the contract is detrimental to not only recruiting new players, but also to retaining the good ones you already have. To me, if Schaus, etc. are serious about getting the most out of the upcoming season in terms of wins and losses, giving a one year extension to have some stability with recruits and current players makes sense to me. The flip side is what you said - if the results aren't desirable in '18-'19, then Ohio is eating a $500k+ chunk, which also isn't desirable financially. I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions, and I'm glad I'm not the one in this spot presented by the records request reported by Arkley yesterday. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:35:05 PM  greencat wrote: Talent-wise, (incoming, at least before the two open scollies are cashed in for transfers)... right now, according to the data available in the world, the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope. If you "settle for" in recruiting, you will end up settling for a team that ends up under .500 all the time and near the bottom of the league. Some of you sound like that is actually fine by you. College basketball is not life and death... it's not open-heart surgery or the removal of a brain tumor. It can be kept in the proper perspective and still not want the team to start sucking on an every year basis. Do you mind sharing some of this "data available in the world", which if we're talking recruiting, that indicates "the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope"? Or are we talking simple Wins and losses? Or something else? As an example, a week or so ago, you shared with me what I thought was some useful info on the Pitt grad transfer. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,036 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:39:45 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: greencat wrote: Maddog13 wrote: Come on, someone at Ohio recruited the likes of Craig Love, Tommy Corde (a personal favorite of mine), John Devereaux, Dave Jamerson, Walter Luckett (the cover of Sports Illustrated), Paul "Snoopy" Graham, Gary Trent, Brandon Hunter, Antonio Campbell, Gino Ford, Maurice Ndour, and D.J. Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore? Because according to some people, the new standard by which to judge recruiting is "did they have one other offer from one of the 351 D-1 playing colleges" which if implemented would have a school closer to #351 than #100 within a couple of seasons. Ohio Basketball started in 1922. Roughly 96 years ago. Saul has been coach for a relatively scant 4 years. Two of the four seasons were under .500 - so... what would make him bigger than the program itself to where he would be retained if the trajectory is not upward? Is he supposed to be "coach for life" now for some unknown reason? Talent-wise, (incoming, at least before the two open scollies are cashed in for transfers)... right now, according to the data available in the world, the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope. If you "settle for" in recruiting, you will end up settling for a team that ends up under .500 all the time and near the bottom of the league. Some of you sound like that is actually fine by you. College basketball is not life and death... it's not open-heart surgery or the removal of a brain tumor. It can be kept in the proper perspective and still not want the team to start sucking on an every year basis. So, devil's advocate... he's also been a 2-seed twice in four years. How many of our coaches have done that in recent history? JC: averaged 24.5 win per year, one of 2 years was a 1-seed + made the NIT and the CIT both. Groce: NCAA big dance twice in 4 years including the sweet 16 Most people would be thrilled with NCAA big dance twice in 4 years and a sweet 16 in one of those. Saul's 47% winning clip in the MAC is very underwhelming. If Ohio clings to Saul for some unknown reason and the recruiting (including transfers) doesn't change trajectory drastically, this program will underachieve bigtime. We'll see between April 11 and May 16 how serious he is about Ohio basketball being a top mid-major program or if he is ok with being a sub .500 MAC program. Like it or not, recruiting for D-1 basketball is dog eat dog. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,022 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:52:05 PM  There may also be other issues contributing to the lack of an extension. The current speech policy under consideration on campus is not popular with the students, the faculty or the press. The university administration is about to take a real beating if they stick to their guns on this. Combine that with across the board budget cuts and extending a $575K contract for what even non-basketball fans recognize as an average job performance and that may be just too much for the administration to take on at one time. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:52:09 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: So, devil's advocate... he's also been a 2-seed twice in four years. How many of our coaches have done that in recent history? And, two years in a row - one of them while losing the reigning MAC POY. Looking at Basketball Reference, since 1985 (when the NCAA field went to 64+) Ohio has had the 2nd best record in the MAC or higher in the following seasons: 2016-17 - Saul (best of several teams at 11-7, won tie breaker) 2015-16 - Saul 2012-13 - JC (with mostly JG's recruits) *2004-05 - TOS (a bunch of teams tied at 11-7 Ohio was 4th seed) 1994-95 - Larry 1993-94 - Larry 1985-86 - Nee 1984-85 - Nee Last Edited: 4/5/2018 3:04:52 PM by OU_Country Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,794 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 2:57:32 PM  OhioStunter wrote: GoCats105 wrote: -Jordan Dartis will leave this school with the best 3pt shooting percentage in the history of the program. Better than Tommy Freeman. Better than Nick Kellogg. Better than Dave Jamerson. Jordan is at .445. Freeman is at .443. If Jordan has the same stats from three-point land next season as he had this season (which was .424), he doesn't leave Ohio with the best three-point shooting percentage in history. But I get your point, we have good players. The question is why isn't that translating into good team success? Jordan, like many on this team, was hurt much of the year and played thru it with nary an excuse. If his hip had been OK (I understand it may require surgery) he certainly would have had a better percentage. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 3:03:34 PM  greencat wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: greencat wrote: Maddog13 wrote: Come on, someone at Ohio recruited the likes of Craig Love, Tommy Corde (a personal favorite of mine), John Devereaux, Dave Jamerson, Walter Luckett (the cover of Sports Illustrated), Paul "Snoopy" Graham, Gary Trent, Brandon Hunter, Antonio Campbell, Gino Ford, Maurice Ndour, and D.J. Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore? Because according to some people, the new standard by which to judge recruiting is "did they have one other offer from one of the 351 D-1 playing colleges" which if implemented would have a school closer to #351 than #100 within a couple of seasons. Ohio Basketball started in 1922. Roughly 96 years ago. Saul has been coach for a relatively scant 4 years. Two of the four seasons were under .500 - so... what would make him bigger than the program itself to where he would be retained if the trajectory is not upward? Is he supposed to be "coach for life" now for some unknown reason? Talent-wise, (incoming, at least before the two open scollies are cashed in for transfers)... right now, according to the data available in the world, the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope. If you "settle for" in recruiting, you will end up settling for a team that ends up under .500 all the time and near the bottom of the league. Some of you sound like that is actually fine by you. College basketball is not life and death... it's not open-heart surgery or the removal of a brain tumor. It can be kept in the proper perspective and still not want the team to start sucking on an every year basis. So, devil's advocate... he's also been a 2-seed twice in four years. How many of our coaches have done that in recent history? JC: averaged 24.5 win per year, one of 2 years was a 1-seed + made the NIT and the CIT both. Groce: NCAA big dance twice in 4 years including the sweet 16 Most people would be thrilled with NCAA big dance twice in 4 years and a sweet 16 in one of those. Saul's 47% winning clip in the MAC is very underwhelming. If Ohio clings to Saul for some unknown reason and the recruiting (including transfers) doesn't change trajectory drastically, this program will underachieve bigtime. We'll see between April 11 and May 16 how serious he is about Ohio basketball being a top mid-major program or if he is ok with being a sub .500 MAC program. Like it or not, recruiting for D-1 basketball is dog eat dog. It's fair to point out that while the numbers are in JC's favor, the 2012-13 team had all but one player that contributed minutes as hold overs from Groce. Further, into 2013-14, 5 of the top 9 minute getter's were still John Groce recruits. So his record is a little deceptive - in my opinion. If you take that further, JC's recruiting left the current staff in a bind for several years, with two scholarships wrapped up in guys that seeming never could get healthy (Khari and Wadley), and at least one know attitude problem (Bean) that was an apparent issue. The flip side of course is that JC's staff recruited Tony, Maurice, and Treg. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 3:09:21 PM  OU_Country wrote: greencat wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: greencat wrote: Maddog13 wrote: Come on, someone at Ohio recruited the likes of Craig Love, Tommy Corde (a personal favorite of mine), John Devereaux, Dave Jamerson, Walter Luckett (the cover of Sports Illustrated), Paul "Snoopy" Graham, Gary Trent, Brandon Hunter, Antonio Campbell, Gino Ford, Maurice Ndour, and D.J. Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore? Because according to some people, the new standard by which to judge recruiting is "did they have one other offer from one of the 351 D-1 playing colleges" which if implemented would have a school closer to #351 than #100 within a couple of seasons. Ohio Basketball started in 1922. Roughly 96 years ago. Saul has been coach for a relatively scant 4 years. Two of the four seasons were under .500 - so... what would make him bigger than the program itself to where he would be retained if the trajectory is not upward? Is he supposed to be "coach for life" now for some unknown reason? Talent-wise, (incoming, at least before the two open scollies are cashed in for transfers)... right now, according to the data available in the world, the trajectory is on a steep downhill slope. If you "settle for" in recruiting, you will end up settling for a team that ends up under .500 all the time and near the bottom of the league. Some of you sound like that is actually fine by you. College basketball is not life and death... it's not open-heart surgery or the removal of a brain tumor. It can be kept in the proper perspective and still not want the team to start sucking on an every year basis. So, devil's advocate... he's also been a 2-seed twice in four years. How many of our coaches have done that in recent history? JC: averaged 24.5 win per year, one of 2 years was a 1-seed + made the NIT and the CIT both. Groce: NCAA big dance twice in 4 years including the sweet 16 Most people would be thrilled with NCAA big dance twice in 4 years and a sweet 16 in one of those. Saul's 47% winning clip in the MAC is very underwhelming. If Ohio clings to Saul for some unknown reason and the recruiting (including transfers) doesn't change trajectory drastically, this program will underachieve bigtime. We'll see between April 11 and May 16 how serious he is about Ohio basketball being a top mid-major program or if he is ok with being a sub .500 MAC program. Like it or not, recruiting for D-1 basketball is dog eat dog. It's fair to point out that while the numbers are in JC's favor, the 2012-13 team had all but one player that contributed minutes as hold overs from Groce. Further, into 2013-14, 5 of the top 9 minute getter's were still John Groce recruits. So his record is a little deceptive - in my opinion. If you take that further, JC's recruiting left the current staff in a bind for several years, with two scholarships wrapped up in guys that seeming never could get healthy (Khari and Wadley), and at least one know attitude problem (Bean) that was an apparent issue. The flip side of course is that JC's staff recruited Tony, Maurice, and Treg. I ain't one to wave the flag on #SaulBall either, especially given the character of this program right now and the fight that I see in the kids. It's like I said though, attendance cannot be lagging. Losing revenue and donations hurt more than anything so I will be intrigued to see what the department does to go get sales next year. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,022 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 3:15:49 PM  At almost $500 a ticket for the platinum section this coming year, that is going to make people sit up and take notice (the reality is that it's the same amount they paid this year but now that's the actual cost of a ticket since there is no longer a tax deduction). Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 3:34:59 PM  OU_Country wrote: I suppose that depends on what the powers that be in Athens decide is most important to them. While I don't truly know, I have to assume allowing a coach to just play out the contract is detrimental to not only recruiting new players, but also to retaining the good ones you already have. To me, if Schaus, etc. are serious about getting the most out of the upcoming season in terms of wins and losses, giving a one year extension to have some stability with recruits and current players makes sense to me. The flip side is what you said - if the results aren't desirable in '18-'19, then Ohio is eating a $500k+ chunk, which also isn't desirable financially. I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions, and I'm glad I'm not the one in this spot presented by the records request reported by Arkley yesterday. A one-year extension is hardly a strong vote of confidence. It isn't really going to quell talk of instability. Better to take the lumps now than to drag it out. The only "stable" option is multiple years, and I think even the most ardent supporters would not be eager for that. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 3:45:31 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: OU_Country wrote: I suppose that depends on what the powers that be in Athens decide is most important to them. While I don't truly know, I have to assume allowing a coach to just play out the contract is detrimental to not only recruiting new players, but also to retaining the good ones you already have. To me, if Schaus, etc. are serious about getting the most out of the upcoming season in terms of wins and losses, giving a one year extension to have some stability with recruits and current players makes sense to me. The flip side is what you said - if the results aren't desirable in '18-'19, then Ohio is eating a $500k+ chunk, which also isn't desirable financially. I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions, and I'm glad I'm not the one in this spot presented by the records request reported by Arkley yesterday. A one-year extension is hardly a strong vote of confidence. It isn't really going to quell talk of instability. Better to take the lumps now than to drag it out. The only "stable" option is multiple years, and I think even the most ardent supporters would not be eager for that. I'm curious what the new president's role is in all of this as well. For all we know, he may not even be a huge supporter of athletics the way Dr. Rod was. That makes Schaus' job a little different this time around. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 794 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 4:31:26 PM  The Bobcats won't be the favorite to win the conference next season, but if they stay healthy, they can do well in the MAC tourney. The key will be to finish strong. JG was able to do that and parlayed it into a Big Ten job. If TB were still the AD, this five yr. deal may have been a seven yr. deal? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 4:37:51 PM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: I ain't one to wave the flag on #SaulBall either, especially given the character of this program right now and the fight that I see in the kids. It's like I said though, attendance cannot be lagging. Losing revenue and donations hurt more than anything so I will be intrigued to see what the department does to go get sales next year. I think you agree that concerns related to ticket sales and lagging attendance isn't solely one that should fall on the coaching staff. While winning is important, and a part of the equation, I'm of the opinion that the game day experience, along with marketing/sales efforts were below par this past year as compared to previous years. Yes? No? Back to Top FanInTheStands General User Member Since: 10/11/2015 Post Count: 172 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 5:46:51 PM  I can't hold Saul accountable for the attendance or lack of game day enthusiasm. When the schedule has an abundance of weekday games and so few Saturday games what else would one expect? I understand ESPN dictates this to a certain degree. The AD needs to do everything within his power to make sure "rivalry games" (Akron, Miami, Kent, Marshall) and big name OOC games (if there are any) are always on Saturday when students are on campus. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,115 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 7:29:41 PM  Townie1977 wrote: Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus? 4/11/18 marks a very important day for our current coach. The (2) open scholarships are now make or break moves for this recruiting class. I appreciate that Schaus has established that mediocrity (or less) is not acceptable. There are more than enough immediate impact and immediate eligibility players available on our level. It is time to produce, 5 years is enough. The apologists are on vacation Townie. Finally, most of them might be seeing the light. I won't embarrass the person who sent me a private message recently saying "stop with the don't extend Saul talk" because that person said he had it on good authority that Saul was extended months ago. Well, so much for inside knowledge on this board. Good job by Schaus to demand more and now Saul knows he needs to win big in 2018-2019. 5 years is plenty of time to show you either have it or you don't have it. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 7:39:20 PM  Alan Swank wrote: There may also be other issues contributing to the lack of an extension. The current speech policy under consideration on campus is not popular with the students, the faculty or the press. The university administration is about to take a real beating if they stick to their guns on this. Combine that with across the board budget cuts and extending a $575K contract for what even non-basketball fans recognize as an average job performance and that may be just too much for the administration to take on at one time. Maybe. Or maybe when Urban Meyer gets a bazillion dollar extension, an Saul extension might not seem so bad financially. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/5/2018 8:02:35 PM  OU_Country wrote: allen wrote: OU_Country wrote: OUs LONG Driver wrote: greencat wrote: BobcatSports wrote: Impact on recruiting? It can't get worse than the incoming class unless Ohio is dropping down to NAIA level ball. If he can't get a couple of the FOUR HUNDRED transfers available that are at least semi-legit D-1 athletes, maybe he needs to walk the plank. Stop. Repeating a falsehood ad nauseum doesn't make it true. Every recruit coming in had at least 1 other D1 offer so this NAIA comment is baseless. I'm not saying these guys are all world beaters out of the gate but good god man how about watch them play for 5 minutes before throwing them under the bus. THIS. Thank you. Unless I'm mistaken, there aren't too many recruiting "experts" present here that actually know the in's and out's of what is really happening, who really got offers, etc. Let a kid at least show up and practice a time or two, or maybe play, or not play a game or two before we say they're not worthy of the offer. OR...if you're gonna say that crap, have something based on REALITY, FACTS, or fact based opinion that supports it. Not just a, "well he was only offered by..." when belittling a recruit you've likely never seen on a court. allen wrote: We have been embellishing offers list. No way anybody recently offered the three that we have coming in this year. If they did, they may be in danger of being fired as well. So...when Jason Carter and Jordan Dartis only had a few offers, they were terrible recruits too, right? C'mon man. Wake up. There are some kids who don't have a ton of offers for whatever reason. One of them is that they committed early. Another could be that they appear to be a late bloomer in their senior year. Regardless, no one here is "embellishing offers". It's coming from real sources on recruiting such as Verbal Commits, Rivals, etc. Quit making crap up to fit your narrative. I hope he hits a home run recruiting and we win. If we don't win, he needs to be held accountable. It is nothing more than that. I do to. But C'mon man, quit this "embellishing" stuff. If it's on those sites, there's an offer. In some cases there are offers that aren't on those sites. Regardless, there's no embellishing going on by people on this board, or Ohio Athletics. Fair enough Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. 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