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Topic: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

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Ted Thompson
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Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 5:26:58 PM

Ohio MBK: The odds of Saul Phillips being Ohio's head coach in 2019-20 aren't as high as they were a year ago. No extension yet (per FOIA request), and neither side wanting to talk about it https://t.co/zpYY1dvlXP
— Jason Arkley (@JasonAmessenger) April 4, 2018

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 6:58:16 PM

Impact on recruiting?

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:10:19 PM

Good work by Arkley to file the FOIA. Many people on here thought an extension was done months ago and just not announced publicly. They were wrong. Guess Schaus sees what only a few on this board have been preaching....2018-2019 is make or break for Saul in Athens.

Last Edited: 4/4/2018 8:00:43 PM by FearLeon

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:29:34 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

I would imagine that Saul must now use his remaining scholarships to go for broke. No more development, everyone plays and plays hard. It is either swing for the fences and risk failing miserably, or time to find a new job. "No More, Mr. Nice Guy!" I would suspect that the 'Cats must now win the MAC and the MAC tournament too in order to play in the NCAA tournament for him to stay. If he goes too deep in the tournament, he leaves. If he fails, he leaves. Wow! I guess that, either way you look at it, we have a lame duck coach.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:56:51 PM

Maddog13 wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

If you plan on getting rid of yr coach, you dangwell better have a better one ready to take his place...

Last Edited: 4/4/2018 8:57:44 PM by brucecuth

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 9:43:51 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

It can't get worse than the incoming class unless Ohio is dropping down to NAIA level ball. If he can't get a couple of the FOUR HUNDRED transfers available that are at least semi-legit D-1 athletes, maybe he needs to walk the plank.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 9:54:15 PM

brucecuth wrote:

Maddog13 wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

If you plan on getting rid of yr coach, you dangwell better have a better one ready to take his place...

I will say this: Schaus always has 5 names ready to go in case a coach leaves or is fired. He went through it with us right after he hired Saul how his process works.

That said, the back is against the wall for #SaulBall. It's going to come down to how many wins he gets and how many fans buy tickets. If the attendance continues its downward trend as I alluded to on another thread, the bean counters will make the decision on this one.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 10:05:33 PM

greencat wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

Stop. Repeating a falsehood ad nauseum doesn't make it true. Every recruit coming in had at least 1 other D1 offer so this NAIA comment is baseless. I'm not saying these guys are all world beaters out of the gate but good god man how about watch them play for 5 minutes before throwing them under the bus.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 11:13:10 PM

Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus?

4/11/18 marks a very important day for our current coach. The (2) open scholarships are now make or break moves for this recruiting class. I appreciate that Schaus has established that mediocrity (or less) is not acceptable. There are more than enough immediate impact and immediate eligibility players available on our level. It is time to produce, 5 years is enough.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/4/2018 11:25:04 PM

IF Saul �walks the plank� after the upcoming season and as some have posted on these pages that Christian was a bad hire, is Schaus getting a free pass here? Schaus had 5 or so names on his list when he hired both Christian and Saul and in the eyes of many those have been less than stellar hires. So does the state of the program lay at the feet of the AD and IF so what makes one think his next hire will be the right one? Inquiring minds want to know.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 1:41:16 AM

Larry Hunter is available! ;-)

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 5:37:39 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

Schaus has to stop the bleeding. He probably loves Saul like you and others do, but you have to produce. Saul was thought of as a great hire, he has not established a style of play that can win the MAC. He needs to go for broke, he has some pieces, of Carter comes back and Dartis is consistent, he will have four bonafide starters. He needs to show that he can develop Kirk and Taylor. He will need to bring in two guys that can challenge Gollon and Block, no more so called specialists. There has to be a mission and vision. There has to be significant progress. Akron and Kent will not suck for long. Fourth in the east is unacceptable. The AD can find that any day of the week.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 5:40:54 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

greencat wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

An offer maybe from their sophomore year. We have been embellishing offers list. No way anybody recently offered the three that we have coming in this year. If they did, they may be in danger of being fired as well. I like McMurray, he comes from a great program. Most Stow players don�t become superstars, they are usually solid. He shouldn�t miss open threes or shoot 60-70% from the line. Murrelet was like the 10th man and the big guy, I can believe the offer from Hampton at one point, they don�t recruit well, but that is about it.

Last Edited: 4/5/2018 5:46:51 AM by allen

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 9:21:40 AM

Allen, the AD can find fourth place any day of the week? Isn�t that what you claim Saul has been giving us? I think the AD already found his fourth place guy, kind of makes one a bit skeptical as to what 5 names he has on his new list. And no this is not meant to be a ringing endorsement of Saul�s results to date. This is a reasons or results business and there have been more reasons than results over Saul�s tenure to date.

BTW I too am a bit apprehensive of the recruit coming from the Community College that couldn�t make the starting lineup. I�ve also become a bit jaded with the AD�s ability to land the right guy based on the results of his last two.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 9:49:14 AM

allen wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

greencat wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

"We" aren't embellishing anything. verbalcommits.com is typically the most reliable source of this info and actually if anything would be more likely to under report than fictitiously add an offer. Check out how many offers Dartis had...Kennesaw State and they at the time were offering everyone. More offers probably a good sign, I agree, but a lack of offers isn't automatically a bad thing especially with guys who commit early. Carter had only Kent & Miami offers for example.

6'-11" guys who are physically mature and possess a jump shot aren't out there for us to get so we have to seek those that need to develop physically. Sure it takes longer before they have a significant impact but if they pan out it can be huge (big if). That's a risk you've got to take at this level.

All 3 guys coming in played on teams with other D-1 bound players so stats and playing time are going to be spread a little thinner, particularly when looking at Murrel & Springs. Let's just see how they play in Athens before deciding they aren't going to hack it.

Back to the original topic....I'm surprised a 1 year extension wasn't added with limited buyout cost just so it can't be used against us in recruiting. I can't argue against the decision based on recent results regardless of what lead to them though. I do think next year will be improved regardless of who else is signed in the late period assuming Carter, Dartis, and BVP are healthy but we aren't challenging Buffalo or possibly even Toledo without 1 of the 2 remaining schollies being an immediate contributor in backcourt. My preference is a JUCO 2/3 with one scholarship and a Freshman or young transfer PG.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:18:56 AM

Had it been reported an extension was likely? I am as optimistic as anyone Saul will turn it around this season, but I would've been stunned if we had given him an extension after this season.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:19:16 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

greencat wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

THIS. Thank you. Unless I'm mistaken, there aren't too many recruiting "experts" present here that actually know the in's and out's of what is really happening, who really got offers, etc. Let a kid at least show up and practice a time or two, or maybe play, or not play a game or two before we say they're not worthy of the offer. OR...if you're gonna say that crap, have something based on REALITY, FACTS, or fact based opinion that supports it. Not just a, "well he was only offered by..." when belittling a recruit you've likely never seen on a court.

allen wrote:

We have been embellishing offers list. No way anybody recently offered the three that we have coming in this year. If they did, they may be in danger of being fired as well.

So...when Jason Carter and Jordan Dartis only had a few offers, they were terrible recruits too, right? C'mon man. Wake up. There are some kids who don't have a ton of offers for whatever reason. One of them is that they committed early. Another could be that they appear to be a late bloomer in their senior year. Regardless, no one here is "embellishing offers". It's coming from real sources on recruiting such as Verbal Commits, Rivals, etc. Quit making crap up to fit your narrative.

Last Edited: 4/5/2018 10:34:40 AM by OU_Country

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:19:24 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Larry Hunter is available! ;-)

So's TOS.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:25:27 AM

Townie1977 wrote:

Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus?

Actually, no, they haven't. Some have just given up on trying to convince idiots that there's more than one way to see things. That we don't need hashtags and ^^^^ to make a point and quote things like this page. That most of the people on here who talk like they know about recruiting don't know a damn thing. Threads like this and some of the comments in it demonstrate who those people are.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:33:45 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

If this doesn't get answered before signing time, I'd imagine it has an impact on recruiting anyone who isn't a play immediately grad transfer or JUCO transfer. I also hope they're prepared to address this at caravan stops because someone is going to ask.

I'm of the mind that says they should have extended one year, solely for the purpose of recruiting stability. It still wouldn't surprise me if that happens. I hear (or have heard for months) all the arguments for not, and that's fine.

I can't see how the current recruiting period can be as successful as Ohio needs it to be if he's sitting on the last year and they just let it run out. Not only that, but I can also see a possibility where other kids, currently on scholarship leaving soon if this isn't resolved quickly. Credit to Arkley for doing this. In my opinion it puts Schaus in a position where he needs a resolution and a response to this.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:37:33 AM

OU_Country wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

greencat wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

allen wrote:

We have been embellishing offers list. No way anybody recently offered the three that we have coming in this year. If they did, they may be in danger of being fired as well.

I hope he hits a home run recruiting and we win. If we don't win, he needs to be held accountable. It is nothing more than that.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:48:29 AM

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

greencat wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

Impact on recruiting?

allen wrote:

We have been embellishing offers list. No way anybody recently offered the three that we have coming in this year. If they did, they may be in danger of being fired as well.

I hope he hits a home run recruiting and we win. If we don't win, he needs to be held accountable. It is nothing more than that.

I do to. But C'mon man, quit this "embellishing" stuff. If it's on those sites, there's an offer. In some cases there are offers that aren't on those sites. Regardless, there's no embellishing going on by people on this board, or Ohio Athletics.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:57:44 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Townie1977 wrote:

Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus?

Yep.....this. And as my swabbie pal would quote his great friend Spiro: "Nattering Nabobs.....etc".

"All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 10:59:01 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Townie1977 wrote:

Have the apologists gone on collective hiatus?

I stopped feeding the trolls. Or at least I tried to.

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RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended

Posted: 4/5/2018 11:29:49 AM

Come on, someone at Ohio recruited the likes of Craig Love, Tommy Corde (a personal favorite of mine), John Devereaux, Dave Jamerson, Walter Luckett (the cover of Sports Illustrated), Paul "Snoopy" Graham, Gary Trent, Brandon Hunter, Antonio Campbell, Gino Ford, Maurice Ndour, and D.J. Cooper, and that is just to name a very few. If amazing talent like this can be convinced to come to Ohio University, what is stopping this coach from making his own unique recruiting stamp on this amazing program that we all love and adore?

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