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Old Guy
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  Message Not Read  Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 12:14:46 AM 
Continuing and confirming observations from the Ohio - Buffalo that I attended on February 24th:

Confirmed: Jeremy Harris is Buffalo's MVP.

Confirmed: Buffalo is a great shooting team.

Confirmed: Buffalo runs extremely well and comes at you in waves.

Continuing observation: Buffalo's defense has improved drastically during the season.

Confirmed: Although Ohio lost by a slightly larger margin, Ohio was considerably more handicapped than Arizona due to injury.

Confirmed: Unlike Arizona, Ohio played hard for the entire game.

Continuing observation: The severe criticism of SP is unwarranted.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 12:41:37 AM 
You nailed it Old Guy!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 4:39:44 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
You nailed it Old Guy!


I need to open with, I love this place and have been reading for more than a decade. Ted and Mark (my PDT brother) have been a long-time information conduit to my beloved Athens and all things Bobcats. But I'm not happy and the happy people here need to show me the light.

FYI... Our Bobcats aren't scrimmage worthy with the current Buffalo roster... and they've kicked our/OU's ass in recruiting again.

Is SP the anointed one? He was hired to win and paid to do so. The team he inherited won 49 games the previous two seasons. His rebuild seemed FORCED to a system that can't win the MAC or get him a Power-5 job. Do you think this is working out for SP, next expected step? He negotiated the salary, and OU gave it to him, to win. He gets a P-5 job and OU gets a check to go get the next guy.

I m happy that he's a nice person and you are all rooting for him. I've been rooting for him too, I'm not willing to turn 4 years int 6 or 7 with a 7 figure buy out to make I'm go away.

Does anyone here understand the business of what OU basketball is and needs to be?

Two coaches get power-5 offers and it's this guys job to keep the momentum going. 4-6 years in and win games and go take the cash from the p-5 school. OU gets the buyout and hires the next guy. it's pretty simple.

I get the injuries, but I don't see the talent needed to finish top-5 in the MAC. Top 6 gets you to Cleveland!

SP won 25 games in his first two years at NDSU as head coach inheriting a program he recruited for.

NO EXTENSION!

We can't write a 7 figure check to make him go away.

This guy came here to get somewhere else and is failing. He's closer to Billy Hahn than anyone else in the Nee and beyond coaching tree. Larry Hunter is a Bobcat exception, I didn't enjoy his 5 win season. and retention, but understood it.

I'd love to have seen Nee have a Tent talent with Snoop and DJ. His first Nebraska recruiting class would have been very successful as Bobcats.

Does SP have enough to win with his fab-5 recruiting class overload to be better than preseason 3rd in the MAC East in 2018-19.

The current 10th best team in the MAC(us), injures aside, was predicted to be 3rd best in the MAC East. Was everyone already injured?

They only gave Hahn 3 years. Year 5 of this guy better be great.

When Frank reties football will just as fun.

Cleve Bryant wsa a gerat Bobcat player... they gave him 5 years and 9 wins.

SP can have another year... if he wats an extension, I'd can him now.

Enjoy his happy and humorous demeanor at the green and white events.

Time to win or get out of the way. It's the same game the rest of the MAC is playing. Lets at least try and compete.

Let's recap... beat Miami twice, but needed to go to Miami for round 1 and lost. Who did Miami beat? Is their new coach a good hire? He won more than 10 games and didn't inherit a 25 game winning program.

This is a serious conversation that Bobcat Nation needs to have without green and white confetti blowing all over the place.

Four years in... would you hire this guy again at the top to the conference pay and program support?

I'd hope NO.

He has a lot of work to do to fix Ohio basketball and more importantly for him make a P-5 remotely interested in hiring him.

I'm pretty sure Jin Christian would have more than 10 if BC didn't call.

Let's see... great at defending the 3, unable to get an offensive rebound, and great at not fouling, are they soft and not physical? Bobcats 2017-18!

I'll give him a pass for the 10 win system change. In year 4 there should be some depth in his system. How much of years 2 and 3 are his doing as far as recruiting?

I know I'm throwing grenades on this Bobcat Party, but how does Saul's roster (healthy!) match up with the rest of the east and west? His fab-5 freshman class looks like a waste of scholarships.

Is he bringing in two freshman that can play now?

How does Saul comparer to the dreaded TOS so far? Pretty scary to think about!

If you were to rank the MAC coaches (honesty) where does OU fit?

I know Saul knows it's time to produce, his future P-5 dreams depend on it... I demand it out him or go way, and so should you.

Other than he's fun to have lunch with, what is the deal?

He's just a guy not doing his job at the level he's being paid and supported to do. Win or go away. Is there another option that works for us?

Right now... TOS at OU is much better than the SP era.... SP gets ONE year to fix this. It's already HIS program.I'm not sure he can. I hope the optimists are correct and he turns out to be better than what he's shown so far.

In short, I don't think this guy is the answer. He's about to get lapped by the women's program. At the lunches start letting him know it's time to will his team to win. His boss better be telling him this. When he's at home, he already knows. Push him.

How are the spring sports looking?!!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 7:02:47 AM 
Broomball @ Midnight! wrote:


are they soft and not physical? Bobcats 2017-18!



This !

Let me start by saying that, since SP became coach,I've only been able to go to a few games at the Convo.

So my comments are based mostly from games I've watched on T.V. or streaming.

Your comment is something I've said a few times,not just this season.

I'm not saying the team doesn't play "hard".

But they do look "soft" and are anything but physical.

You need what I'd call "controlled aggression", especially on defense.

I'm reminded of a line from "Major League" ,"Lets get nasty".

I just don't see that.



Last Edited: 3/16/2018 8:33:55 AM by rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 7:49:50 AM 
Broomball @ Midnight! wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
You nailed it Old Guy!


I need to open with, I love this place and have been reading for more than a decade. Ted and Mark (my PDT brother) have been a long-time information conduit to my beloved Athens and all things Bobcats. But I'm not happy and the happy people here need to show me the light.

FYI... Our Bobcats aren't scrimmage worthy with the current Buffalo roster... and they've kicked our/OU's ass in recruiting again.

Is SP the anointed one? He was hired to win and paid to do so. The team he inherited won 49 games the previous two seasons. His rebuild seemed FORCED to a system that can't win the MAC or get him a Power-5 job. Do you think this is working out for SP, next expected step? He negotiated the salary, and OU gave it to him, to win. He gets a P-5 job and OU gets a check to go get the next guy.

I m happy that he's a nice person and you are all rooting for him. I've been rooting for him too, I'm not willing to turn 4 years int 6 or 7 with a 7 figure buy out to make I'm go away.

Does anyone here understand the business of what OU basketball is and needs to be?

Two coaches get power-5 offers and it's this guys job to keep the momentum going. 4-6 years in and win games and go take the cash from the p-5 school. OU gets the buyout and hires the next guy. it's pretty simple.

I get the injuries, but I don't see the talent needed to finish top-5 in the MAC. Top 6 gets you to Cleveland!

SP won 25 games in his first two years at NDSU as head coach inheriting a program he recruited for.

NO EXTENSION!

We can't write a 7 figure check to make him go away.

This guy came here to get somewhere else and is failing. He's closer to Billy Hahn than anyone else in the Nee and beyond coaching tree. Larry Hunter is a Bobcat exception, I didn't enjoy his 5 win season. and retention, but understood it.

I'd love to have seen Nee have a Tent talent with Snoop and DJ. His first Nebraska recruiting class would have been very successful as Bobcats.

Does SP have enough to win with his fab-5 recruiting class overload to be better than preseason 3rd in the MAC East in 2018-19.

The current 10th best team in the MAC(us), injures aside, was predicted to be 3rd best in the MAC East. Was everyone already injured?

They only gave Hahn 3 years. Year 5 of this guy better be great.

When Frank reties football will just as fun.

Cleve Bryant wsa a gerat Bobcat player... they gave him 5 years and 9 wins.

SP can have another year... if he wats an extension, I'd can him now.

Enjoy his happy and humorous demeanor at the green and white events.

Time to win or get out of the way. It's the same game the rest of the MAC is playing. Lets at least try and compete.

Let's recap... beat Miami twice, but needed to go to Miami for round 1 and lost. Who did Miami beat? Is their new coach a good hire? He won more than 10 games and didn't inherit a 25 game winning program.

This is a serious conversation that Bobcat Nation needs to have without green and white confetti blowing all over the place.

Four years in... would you hire this guy again at the top to the conference pay and program support?

I'd hope NO.

He has a lot of work to do to fix Ohio basketball and more importantly for him make a P-5 remotely interested in hiring him.

I'm pretty sure Jin Christian would have more than 10 if BC didn't call.

Let's see... great at defending the 3, unable to get an offensive rebound, and great at not fouling, are they soft and not physical? Bobcats 2017-18!

I'll give him a pass for the 10 win system change. In year 4 there should be some depth in his system. How much of years 2 and 3 are his doing as far as recruiting?

I know I'm throwing grenades on this Bobcat Party, but how does Saul's roster (healthy!) match up with the rest of the east and west? His fab-5 freshman class looks like a waste of scholarships.

Is he bringing in two freshman that can play now?

How does Saul comparer to the dreaded TOS so far? Pretty scary to think about!

If you were to rank the MAC coaches (honesty) where does OU fit?

I know Saul knows it's time to produce, his future P-5 dreams depend on it... I demand it out him or go way, and so should you.

Other than he's fun to have lunch with, what is the deal?

He's just a guy not doing his job at the level he's being paid and supported to do. Win or go away. Is there another option that works for us?

Right now... TOS at OU is much better than the SP era.... SP gets ONE year to fix this. It's already HIS program.I'm not sure he can. I hope the optimists are correct and he turns out to be better than what he's shown so far.

In short, I don't think this guy is the answer. He's about to get lapped by the women's program. At the lunches start letting him know it's time to will his team to win. His boss better be telling him this. When he's at home, he already knows. Push him.

How are the spring sports looking?!!


If anyone else here listens to LeBatard, read the above in the style of Stugotz' weekend observations.

Last Edited: 3/16/2018 9:13:07 AM by shabamon
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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 9:25:24 AM 
A coach's job is about more than just winning games, but if you don't win games and you're the highest-paid guy in the league, it's a big problem. SP seems to do everything right as far as representing the school, running a clean program and bringing in high-character kids.

All that said, his record is unacceptable. The rest of the league is passing us by. If we were paying him $170k and he inherited a trainwreck, I wouldn't be so harsh. People here love to hate him, but Jim Christian went 49-22 in two years. Imagine if SP had Christian's personality to go along with his four-year record. People would be apoplectic and taking up a collection to buy out year five. Make any excuse you want, but the guy with the highest salary in the league is four games under .500 in league play after four years of building the program.

He'll get that fifth year and I think he should for sound financial reasons and because he's done everything right except win, but an extension would be insanity.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 10:41:27 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
A coach's job is about more than just winning games, but if you don't win games and you're the highest-paid guy in the league, it's a big problem. SP seems to do everything right as far as representing the school, running a clean program and bringing in high-character kids.

All that said, his record is unacceptable. The rest of the league is passing us by. If we were paying him $170k and he inherited a trainwreck, I wouldn't be so harsh. People here love to hate him, but Jim Christian went 49-22 in two years. Imagine if SP had Christian's personality to go along with his four-year record. People would be apoplectic and taking up a collection to buy out year five. Make any excuse you want, but the guy with the highest salary in the league is four games under .500 in league play after four years of building the program.

He'll get that fifth year and I think he should for sound financial reasons and because he's done everything right except win, but an extension would be insanity.


^^^Agree 100%^^^

We are a lower-middle tier team in a one bid league. Saul has to produce, period. He personally chose the pieces he has to work with. I hope his vision comes together in year 5. We are 6 years from the high point of our program and I'll remind this board that Saul produced (3) all-time lows this season: worst ever mac loss, worst home loss, and most points ever given up in a MAC game. Those are proven facts, yet there are still individuals stating that we are headed in the right direction. Injuries are part of the game, as is recruiting for depth on a division I level. The "aw shucks" bobcat fans mentality is so old. Coaches are paid for a product and his is stale. I sincerely hope year 5 is magic and I hope Saul has the chops to do it.

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   Posted: 3/16/2018 10:43:35 AM 
Anybody who watched Buffalo this season and last night knows we don't have a roster that can run with these guys next year. Hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. When I discussed UB's superior athleticism a few weeks back, somebody said athleticism doesn't win in March. This team has a coach that knows how to recruit and build a sustainable system. The numbers don't lie.

Last Edited: 3/16/2018 10:49:21 AM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/16/2018 9:59:35 PM 
No worries Bobcat fans as the Bulls coach and maybe a stud player will leave this offseason season for greener pastures??
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  Message Not Read  RE: Observations from the Buffalo Game - Part III
   Posted: 3/17/2018 1:22:54 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Anybody who watched Buffalo this season and last night knows we don't have a roster that can run with these guys next year. Hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. When I discussed UB's superior athleticism a few weeks back, somebody said athleticism doesn't win in March. This team has a coach that knows how to recruit and build a sustainable system. The numbers don't lie.


I'd love to see where someone told you athleticism doesn't win games. It sounds like a made up quote. But either way, there are multiple ways to win in March. There isn't just one solution to the problem.

Buffalo won with athleticism. Butler won with efficiency and ball control. Loyola won by slowing the game down and waiting for layup opportunities. Marshall won by running and shooting threes. Rhode Island won by going small and spreading the floor out with 4 guards.

My main takeaway is, can we get it done with our current players? Maybe not. Can we get it done with our current style? Absolutely.
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   Posted: 3/17/2018 1:34:45 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Broomball @ Midnight! wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
You nailed it Old Guy!


I need to open with, I love this place and have been reading for more than a decade. Ted and Mark (my PDT brother) have been a long-time information conduit to my beloved Athens and all things Bobcats. But I'm not happy and the happy people here need to show me the light.

FYI... Our Bobcats aren't scrimmage worthy with the current Buffalo roster... and they've kicked our/OU's ass in recruiting again.

Is SP the anointed one? He was hired to win and paid to do so. The team he inherited won 49 games the previous two seasons. His rebuild seemed FORCED to a system that can't win the MAC or get him a Power-5 job. Do you think this is working out for SP, next expected step? He negotiated the salary, and OU gave it to him, to win. He gets a P-5 job and OU gets a check to go get the next guy.

I m happy that he's a nice person and you are all rooting for him. I've been rooting for him too, I'm not willing to turn 4 years int 6 or 7 with a 7 figure buy out to make I'm go away.

Does anyone here understand the business of what OU basketball is and needs to be?

Two coaches get power-5 offers and it's this guys job to keep the momentum going. 4-6 years in and win games and go take the cash from the p-5 school. OU gets the buyout and hires the next guy. it's pretty simple.

I get the injuries, but I don't see the talent needed to finish top-5 in the MAC. Top 6 gets you to Cleveland!

SP won 25 games in his first two years at NDSU as head coach inheriting a program he recruited for.

NO EXTENSION!

We can't write a 7 figure check to make him go away.

This guy came here to get somewhere else and is failing. He's closer to Billy Hahn than anyone else in the Nee and beyond coaching tree. Larry Hunter is a Bobcat exception, I didn't enjoy his 5 win season. and retention, but understood it.

I'd love to have seen Nee have a Tent talent with Snoop and DJ. His first Nebraska recruiting class would have been very successful as Bobcats.

Does SP have enough to win with his fab-5 recruiting class overload to be better than preseason 3rd in the MAC East in 2018-19.

The current 10th best team in the MAC(us), injures aside, was predicted to be 3rd best in the MAC East. Was everyone already injured?

They only gave Hahn 3 years. Year 5 of this guy better be great.

When Frank reties football will just as fun.

Cleve Bryant wsa a gerat Bobcat player... they gave him 5 years and 9 wins.

SP can have another year... if he wats an extension, I'd can him now.

Enjoy his happy and humorous demeanor at the green and white events.

Time to win or get out of the way. It's the same game the rest of the MAC is playing. Lets at least try and compete.

Let's recap... beat Miami twice, but needed to go to Miami for round 1 and lost. Who did Miami beat? Is their new coach a good hire? He won more than 10 games and didn't inherit a 25 game winning program.

This is a serious conversation that Bobcat Nation needs to have without green and white confetti blowing all over the place.

Four years in... would you hire this guy again at the top to the conference pay and program support?

I'd hope NO.

He has a lot of work to do to fix Ohio basketball and more importantly for him make a P-5 remotely interested in hiring him.

I'm pretty sure Jin Christian would have more than 10 if BC didn't call.

Let's see... great at defending the 3, unable to get an offensive rebound, and great at not fouling, are they soft and not physical? Bobcats 2017-18!

I'll give him a pass for the 10 win system change. In year 4 there should be some depth in his system. How much of years 2 and 3 are his doing as far as recruiting?

I know I'm throwing grenades on this Bobcat Party, but how does Saul's roster (healthy!) match up with the rest of the east and west? His fab-5 freshman class looks like a waste of scholarships.

Is he bringing in two freshman that can play now?

How does Saul comparer to the dreaded TOS so far? Pretty scary to think about!

If you were to rank the MAC coaches (honesty) where does OU fit?

I know Saul knows it's time to produce, his future P-5 dreams depend on it... I demand it out him or go way, and so should you.

Other than he's fun to have lunch with, what is the deal?

He's just a guy not doing his job at the level he's being paid and supported to do. Win or go away. Is there another option that works for us?

Right now... TOS at OU is much better than the SP era.... SP gets ONE year to fix this. It's already HIS program.I'm not sure he can. I hope the optimists are correct and he turns out to be better than what he's shown so far.

In short, I don't think this guy is the answer. He's about to get lapped by the women's program. At the lunches start letting him know it's time to will his team to win. His boss better be telling him this. When he's at home, he already knows. Push him.

How are the spring sports looking?!!


If anyone else here listens to LeBatard, read the above in the style of Stugotz' weekend observations.


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