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Topic:  The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/15/2018 12:41:45 PM 
MTSU did not get much consideration for the tournament this year it appears. They'd made the tournament the last two years, winning their opening game two years ago and winning two games last year. They were starting to knock on the door of legitimacy, yet this team (which went 24-7 this season) was kept out.

St. Mary's was top 25 this year at the end of the year. They finished the year 28-5. Before this year, they'd been in the tournament five of the last ten years, and made the NIT every year they didn't make the tournament. They've been quite consistent.

However, Butler and Gonzaga have already invaded the good-ole boys network. The Power 5 have had to give these little kids a seat at the adult table. However, the table is getting full. So the Power 5 (read: Selection Committee) have to make sure that nobody else looks to join the table. If somebody is starting to get too uppity, they need to be knocked down a peg. MTSU and St. Mary's were trying to do that.

So, my prediction is that there won't be another Gonzaga. Sure, to fans they're a feel-good story, but to the NCAA powers that be, they're a threat. When somebody gets too close, change the formula for qualifying. To keep these two teams out just seems to prove this point.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/15/2018 12:53:40 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
MTSU did not get much consideration for the tournament this year it appears. They'd made the tournament the last two years, winning their opening game two years ago and winning two games last year. They were starting to knock on the door of legitimacy, yet this team (which went 24-7 this season) was kept out.

St. Mary's was top 25 this year at the end of the year. They finished the year 28-5. Before this year, they'd been in the tournament five of the last ten years, and made the NIT every year they didn't make the tournament. They've been quite consistent.

However, Butler and Gonzaga have already invaded the good-ole boys network. The Power 5 have had to give these little kids a seat at the adult table. However, the table is getting full. So the Power 5 (read: Selection Committee) have to make sure that nobody else looks to join the table. If somebody is starting to get too uppity, they need to be knocked down a peg. MTSU and St. Mary's were trying to do that.

So, my prediction is that there won't be another Gonzaga. Sure, to fans they're a feel-good story, but to the NCAA powers that be, they're a threat. When somebody gets too close, change the formula for qualifying. To keep these two teams out just seems to prove this point.


Ain't gonna change either. The P5 want it all, and don't want anyone else involved.


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/15/2018 1:23:34 PM 
I couldn't agree more.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/15/2018 1:53:53 PM 
I don't want to be the next Gonzaga. I want to be the first Ohio.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/15/2018 8:29:29 PM 
I agree with ya Finn for the most part. I think you are on to a solid untalked about part of the current NCAA set up. St Mary's bringing the pipeline from Oz was poised to take a step but seemingly took a step back. My buddy in Cali lives 10 mins from there and has only taken in 2 games over the years.

Zags have been there almost 2 decades now but continue to be the pinnacle of their league with not much compulsion to leave. But they have slipped into the air where you expect them to be second weekend regulars.

I am anxious to see if Davidson breaks through with their new conference affiliation. Currently within 4 points of UK in the second half it would not surprise me if they won. Wichita St jumped leagues to get a better bid through the league....looking at a 4 seed ...seems like it worked to their advantage. If anyone is going to be the next Butler, X , zags I think Davidson in the A10 may be the next to make the jump from occasional participant to regular appearances.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/17/2018 9:39:08 PM 
The bottom line is the bottom line. The P5 spend more money and expect to get the benefit of the doubt. They are rarely disappointed.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/18/2018 11:30:40 AM 
I chuckle at one of the NCAA spots that includes "fairness" in its slogan at the end. https://www.ispot.tv/ad/AMap/ncaa-opportunity-featuring-j...

Last Edited: 3/18/2018 11:36:28 AM by Pataskala


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We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The next Gonzaga can't afford to exist
   Posted: 3/18/2018 12:38:28 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
I don't want to be the next Gonzaga. I want to be the first Ohio.


Which means even if we become THE most dominant team in the MAC, we will only make the NCAA Tournament if we win the MAC Tournament. Finn is spot on - and relates well to what folks wanted with Groce - imagine if we posted the following success:

2015-2016. MTSU goes 24-9 and wins the conference tourney (UAB won the regular season - lost in tourney and made NIT). MTSU as a 15 defeats Mich St. loses to Syr round 2
2016-2017. MTSU goes 31-5 (17-1 in conference) - OOC includes wins over ole miss, Toledo, Evansville, Vandy. wins the conference tourney. MTSU moves up 3 whole seeds to 12. defeats Minny loses to Butler round 2.
2017 - 2018 MTSU goes 25-7 (16-2 in conference) - OOC includes wins over Vandy, ole miss, Princeton. Lose by combined 14 to USC, Auburn and Miami FLA - all on the road. But lose in conference tourney.

MTSU. goes 73-15 since Jan 1, 2016 - including Tourney wins over Mich St and Minny. . 33-3 in conference over the past 2 years. But do not make the NCAA tourney this year because they didn't win the conference tournament.

Last Edited: 3/18/2018 1:22:15 PM by cc-cat

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