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Topic: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

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Ted Thompson
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Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/4/2018 11:14:00 PM

Use this thread to talk about anything game-related.

Date: February 6th, 2018 7:00 PM

Opponent: Akron (10-12, 3-7 MAC)

Site: Convocation Center

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FearLeon
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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/4/2018 11:30:56 PM

Anything less than a standing ovation for Groce on Tuesday night when he walks onto the court will be disappointing. Respect what he accomplished. #2MACTTournamentChampionships #3NCAATourneyWins #Sweet16 #Respect

Last Edited: 2/4/2018 11:33:18 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/4/2018 11:55:12 PM

FearLeon wrote:

Like the RESPECT you showed for James Gollon by saying he should be a team manager? I don't think you know the meaning of 'respect'.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 12:54:47 AM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

Like the RESPECT you showed for James Gollon by saying he should be a team manager? I don't think you know the meaning of 'respect'.

Would love to know when I said that because I have never called James Gollon a "team manager". Total lack of respect from you for putting words in my mouth that I never said....appreciate that. I get that my opinion of where this program "currently is" and where "I think it should be" isn't a popular one on this board. However, in recent weeks, I've noticed other posters on this board are seeing what I'm seeing.

It amazes me how so many get hurt feelings on this board when folks on here take a critical look at the program. News flash: this basketball program right now isn't all sunshine, rainbows and puppies. So go ahead and make up things that I said to fit your own narrative...doesn't bother me at all. Enjoy the game Tuesday and don't forget the contributions that Groce made to this program. #13Months

Last Edited: 2/5/2018 9:08:31 AM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 8:15:07 AM

A win against the former coach could be just what the doctor ordered for this group. Akron is ripe for the picking.

-lost three straight
-just lost at home by 21
-hasn't won a road game all season

Hopefully Ohio doesn't have to go out there with 7 guys again. A healthy Mickle or Jordy should put them over the top for a win.

Interesting figure from KenPom: Ohio's "luck" rating is 323rd in the country. Akron's is 78th. Highest MAC team is Bowling Green at 6th.

According to his site on the calculation of that figure:

"The deviation in winning percentage between a team�s actual record and their expected record using the correlated gaussian method. The luck factor has nothing to do with the rating calculation, but a team that is very lucky (positive numbers) will tend to be rated lower by my system than their record would suggest."

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 9:36:32 AM

Interesting reading on the Kron Board http://zipsnation.org/forums/topic/37926-game-23%E2%80%94... / Both of us in the current bottom of the league after a decade of bumping around the top.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 9:50:35 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

Interesting reading on the Kron Board http://zipsnation.org/forums/topic/37926-game-23%E2%80%94... / Both of us in the current bottom of the league after a decade of bumping around the top.

I love how they refer to us as the "Snobcats" when they only refer to Kent St as a junior college by a fictitious name. Pot meet kettle?

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 10:08:22 AM

Borna.....It is pretty sad to see and hear Zip fans commenting on the negativity that everyone is seeing on BA posted by the same few who were trying to stir the "anti-Frank", trash Ohio football threads. It is hard to take when the fans of our arch rivals are the ones who are laughing at Bobcat fans who are willing to "# bail out" when times get tough.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 10:34:04 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

. . .
-lost three straight
-just lost at home by 21
-hasn't won a road game all season . . .

These stats actually scare me. I'd much rather have them on a three game winning streak when they come to Athens, including their first road win. They'll be hungry for that first road win, and they already know they can beat us, because they did at home. So, they'll be confident. I'd rather have them over-confident after a short winning streak. But, that being said, we can still win this game. Go OHIO!

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 10:37:57 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

. . .
-lost three straight
-just lost at home by 21
-hasn't won a road game all season . . .

Could say the same thing about Ohio though, right? Lost four straight, lost a heartbreaker at home, tons of guys playing and not playing with injury all season long...who's hungrier for a win?

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 10:43:04 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

. . .
-lost three straight
-just lost at home by 21
-hasn't won a road game all season . . .

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 10:47:26 AM

100%Cat wrote:

I love how they refer to us as the "Snobcats" when they only refer to Kent St as a junior college by a fictitious name. Pot meet kettle?

Interesting thread somewhere on Bull Run where they are taking offense at the Kron board for referring to them as SUNY-Canada and they discuss all the names the Rowdies have for other schools.

I kind of miss a bit of the smack talk we used to have here. Now we spend most of our time destroying our own school and coaches rather than killing opposing players and school in a good natured way. One of the things I enjoy on other boards like Butler, Michigan and others are the look alike threads. https://butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/purdue-bo... /

Good entertainment even though Butler has become a bit "entitled" since their ascension from the Horizon. Happens everywhere, someone get a bit of success and feels they are way more important than they really ever were....fanbase adopts a new level of what they thing they are rather than the reality. #notabluebloodyet

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 10:47:56 AM

doubledribble wrote:

I remember watching the AFC Championship, Mike Tomlin had spit in his beard for like three quarters. I thought that he looked crazy and that one of his players or assistant coaches should have told him or wiped his face off, they allowed him to look crazy for three quarters. I say that to say that there is nothing wrong with telling the truth even when it is embarrassing. One of the Akron fans said that we are a angry dwindling fan base. Are we really losing fans? Are we really angry? Are we really bad? I remember predicting that we would win three out of our 4 toughest non conference schedule games. Most of our fans (mainly the green pep rally folks) thought that we would lose all four games and made comments like as long as we hustled they would be satisfied. We beat two of those teams including Western Kentucky. Many would deem me as being a negative fan when I am just being honest. I believe in our team and always hope that we will win. I think that the real negative people are the ones that predict that we lose games and set mediocre expectations. Those are the ones that really don't believe. Before you band together to criticize honest fans, take the plank out of your own eye.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 12:26:05 PM

Damn. Coach Groce didn't hold much back in terms of talking about his team's effort against Toledo here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRFuA5sQgPw

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 12:40:51 PM

He hasn't changed. What is it about Toledo with Groce?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDVV-YYTxyQ&t=290s

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 5:18:35 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

100%Cat wrote:

I love how they refer to us as the "Snobcats" when they only refer to Kent St as a junior college by a fictitious name. Pot meet kettle?

Good entertainment even though Butler has become a bit "entitled" since their ascension from the Horizon. Happens everywhere, someone get a bit of success and feels they are way more important than they really ever were....fanbase adopts a new level of what they thing they are rather than the reality. #notabluebloodyet

Sounds exactly what has happened here. You are right when you say it happens everywhere.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 6:01:33 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Damn. Coach Groce didn't hold much back in terms of talking about his team's effort against Toledo here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRFuA5sQgPw

Wow, it sounds like he will be opening up some scholarships

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/5/2018 7:14:24 PM

We open as a 5pt favorite.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 10:21:47 AM

According to Coach Phillips and The Post, Jordan Dartis is likely to play tonight.

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 11:53:07 AM

FearLeon wrote:

I get that my opinion of where this program "currently is" and where "I think it should be" isn't a popular one on this board. However, in recent weeks, I've noticed other posters on this board are seeing what I'm seeing.

It amazes me how so many get hurt feelings on this board when folks on here take a critical look at the program. News flash: this basketball program right now isn't all sunshine, rainbows and puppies. So go ahead and make up things that I said to fit your own narrative...doesn't bother me at all.

+1000000000

Last Edited: 2/6/2018 11:53:25 AM by bshot44

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 12:10:25 PM

I don't care how we do it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgPrtOxvK4

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 1:07:02 PM

With the season going the way it has gone, this is our super bowl. All respect to coach Groce and nothing against him, but I hope he never wins a single game in the Convo.

GO BOBCATS!

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 1:55:24 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

I don't care how we do it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgPrtOxvK4

Would be great to show that as a pre-game pump up on say a screen that everyone could see...

Man, if I were a student in the O Zone I'd not let up one bit on our former staff members in attendance. All in good fun of course...

Could Johnny G be the Charlie that we so badly need?

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 1:57:44 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Happens everywhere, someone get a bit of success and feels they are way more important than they really ever were....fanbase adopts a new level of what they thing they are rather than the reality. #notabluebloodyet

I don't see many critics around here expecting unrealistic things given the investment the school makes in basketball. Right now we pay the most and we're in last place. We've had terrible luck with injuries to be sure, but what concerns me most is what those injuries have revealed: Too many scholarship players on the roster who are not ready to compete in the MAC. The cold truth is that we've had ONE season-ending injury to a proven MAC player. Yes, others are playing hurt, and yes, I don't think expecting great things this year was ever realistic (I was hoping to be anywhere north of .500 in the MAC at the start of the season).

I just don't understand the Balkanization on this board. Too many people think you can either be cheerleading and full of hope or you're a horrible person who hates Saul, hates the players and hopes for failure.

I like Saul, I admire the effort the players are putting forth most nights, I hope for success, and I never call out individual players in posts (*I'm freer with thoughts in chats).

All that said, I'm utterly mystified at people who find criticizing the highest-paid man on campus unacceptable when he's yet to produce the results that he was hired to produce. As long as we're spending more than any peer, we should be in the top four in the MAC every year barring a coaching upheaval. He has one year to fix it, and I hope he does. Contrary to what the anonymous poster in the chatroom said, I don't hate Saul. I've met him multiple times and like everything about what he and his family bring to Athens and the school. But if you're not getting wins -- and he's not -- it's bad for your long-term career outlook.

Last Edited: 2/6/2018 1:59:08 PM by Recovering Journalist

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RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Akron

Posted: 2/6/2018 4:19:17 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

RJ

I am not sure if you are implying that I was talking about Ohio in the quote which read...I was applying it to Butler specifically but Illinois thinks they are on the level with Kansas, UCLA, Duke and Indiana and almost any fanbase that makes a tourney thinks they are then automatic qualifiers following a berth or two in the NCAA.

bornacatfan wrote:

I totally agree with you about the tenor of the board. Fear and others seem to be, in my eyes, saying if you are not crucifying the coach and the results then you are one of the apologists but are not leaving a middle ground for folks who aspire to have us the class of the MAC but also realizing how we got here. There are quite a few who are not THIN SKINNED but who have found more productive and entertaining ways to spend time. For me I go on boards where folks are actually talking about talented kids, offensive sets, defensive philosophies and other talking about motorcycles, long distance touring and things that interest me and make me feel good. I have been missing this and actually took time to go back 30 pages and revisit what the board was before I said anything.

I admire honesty in analysis as I am a no bullshit kind of guy....at the same time there is NOTHING positive coming out of those corners. NOt sure how the spouses deal with those types of guys. I know if I was that negative with my wife and followed it by saying "honey I am just being honest, if you don't like it that's your problem" I would have Mike and Jeff Drake in my driveway moving mom back to Ohio. I love my wife and would not attack her to get results. I suspect we all love our Bobcats and could do a better job mixing the things we see that are good with honest but not angry criticism of the team and the coach. There are several folks here who have not said a positive comment in months...not only are the comments negative but those comments are just angry. I am not all PC or warm and fuzzy but man, there has to be a gentlemanly way to intelligently state the case and not assume folks who are not boiling oil or tearing apart feather pillows are not being critical in their own way. .

I am a bit uncompromising as the same thing Coach Rhodes sold us on in the dining room is still what I believe. Ohio should never lose a recruiting battle to another MAC school. There are no comparisons. Ohio should run this league year in and year out. Other schools and fanbases can believe we are snobs and smug but I have to think that is more out of ....well I will not insult them as I have friends at every other school that read this board. Suffice to say I have been on every campus, some as a student, others as a competitor, others as a recruit. In my eyes and from everything I have seen Ohio is superior. We should follow D.A. s suggestion to stay in the MAC and we should be demanding to be nothing less than at the top.

We aren't and there are reasons why. Stepping back and accepting a few of the cards that were dealt while not rationalizing anything should be the order of the day. I think those that are seeking to put folks into one camp or another are not thinking clearly.There is plenty room in the middle. NO ONE seems to be happy where we are. FOlks need to quit beating the snot out of people who are not mean, angry or loud. This idea applies especially to those who have not been on campus, in the Convo or met any of the players, staff and only see Ohio in an abstract vision. I think it is really hard to sit far away and be a loud, mean critic when you have no real connection...we are all Bobcats and want our teams to do well. Just because someone is not berating the result does not mean they do not agree with a position. I do not disagree with being critical of the results but I am mystified that there is not one good thing to say about anything else to go along with the criticism...

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