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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/2/2018 9:18:47 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


VCU and Wichita State don't have football teams. I think that is the biggest factor as to why their basketball programs have been consistently better than MAC programs.

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   Posted: 2/2/2018 10:19:40 AM 
Wichita State also benefits from the largess of some of the richest people in the world, playing in Koch Arena and all.

https://deadspin.com/charles-koch-ponied-up-to-keep-gregg...
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   Posted: 2/2/2018 11:29:26 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
In no place is it defined that CMU would be anything other than the MAC tourney champs. "Best" is nowhere in the definition. It might be in yours, but that doesn't make it right. We'll agree to disagree.


Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree, but the team that CMU beat for the tourney championship, no matter how many all MAC players and impressive out-of-conference wins, could not possibly be called "best" in any rational world.


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   Posted: 2/2/2018 11:55:51 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
In no place is it defined that CMU would be anything other than the MAC tourney champs. "Best" is nowhere in the definition. It might be in yours, but that doesn't make it right. We'll agree to disagree.


Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree, but the team that CMU beat for the tourney championship, no matter how many all MAC players and impressive out-of-conference wins, could not possibly be called "best" in any rational world.


Your logic is broken beyond repair. I'm sorry.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/2/2018 12:53:08 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


VCU and Wichita State don't have football teams. I think that is the biggest factor as to why their basketball programs have been consistently better than MAC programs.



100%. I think it's pretty obvious that the path to big(ger) time basketball involves FCS football for mid-majors. I know it's unpopular around here, but I would vastly prefer that we drop a level in football.

Hell, I think our student body would even prefer it if we were competing for national championships and hosting playoff games. That's far more interesting than going to Detroit to play Troy State in the Motor City Bowl or whatever. It's not that hard to make an argument that it would be better from a football perspective.

So given the impact it could have on basketball, it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Last Edited: 2/2/2018 12:54:22 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/2/2018 2:48:57 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
SBH wrote:
I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.


On what factoid do you base this assertion?

Groce program was about to turn the corner and become a regular NCAA participant program like a VCU or Wichita St.


This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


I'd agree that I don't think Ohio can turn into Wichita State.

But I think it's reasonable to think that Ohio could, in fact, become like Northern Iowa or Bucknell. A team that goes to the NCAA tourney every 2 or 3 years. Six, ten, 12 year droughts between bids is the norm for this program. They've never ascended past that. Buffalo is there now. Akron has been that for a decade-plus. Kent was that for a long while. Even Miami had a decade of dominance.

Ohio had a four-year splash. And then splat.
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   Posted: 2/2/2018 3:28:38 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
SBH wrote:
I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.


On what factoid do you base this assertion?

Groce program was about to turn the corner and become a regular NCAA participant program like a VCU or Wichita St.


This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


I'd agree that I don't think Ohio can turn into Wichita State.

But I think it's reasonable to think that Ohio could, in fact, become like Northern Iowa or Bucknell. A team that goes to the NCAA tourney every 2 or 3 years. Six, ten, 12 year droughts between bids is the norm for this program. They've never ascended past that. Buffalo is there now. Akron has been that for a decade-plus. Kent was that for a long while. Even Miami had a decade of dominance.

Ohio had a four-year splash. And then splat.


Again, these aspirational basketball teams like Northern Iowa, Bucknell, VCU, Wichita St., etc. all have either FCS football programs or none at all.

And as for NCAA droughts, over the last 20 years, only Kent has more NCAA appearances than OU. Miami's only been dancing once in 20 years. I don't like the drought either, but keep in mind, OU has the shortest drought in the last 20 years and was the last MAC team to win an NCAA tourney game. In fact, that last MAC team not named Ohio to win an NCAA tourney game was CMU 15 years ago.

Longest Span of Consecutive Seasons Without an NCAA Tourney Appearance Since 1998 (MAC TEAMS):

19 - EMU (98- )
17 - Buffalo (98-14)
17 - Ball St. (00- )
14 - CMU (03- )
11 - Akron (98-08)
10 - Miami (08- )
9 - Western Michigan (04-13)
8 - Kent St. (08-16)
7 - OHIO (98-04)


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   Posted: 2/2/2018 3:30:02 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
SBH wrote:
I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.


On what factoid do you base this assertion?

Groce program was about to turn the corner and become a regular NCAA participant program like a VCU or Wichita St.


This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


I'd agree that I don't think Ohio can turn into Wichita State.

But I think it's reasonable to think that Ohio could, in fact, become like Northern Iowa or Bucknell. A team that goes to the NCAA tourney every 2 or 3 years. Six, ten, 12 year droughts between bids is the norm for this program. They've never ascended past that. Buffalo is there now. Akron has been that for a decade-plus. Kent was that for a long while. Even Miami had a decade of dominance.

Ohio had a four-year splash. And then splat.


Exactly^^^ This program was in a position to go to the NCAA Tourney every 2-4 years and then it all fell apart and it never should have. Nobody expects to go every year, but once every 2-4 years should have been the expectation after 2012. #13Months


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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/2/2018 3:55:35 PM 
BobcatSports wrote:
Not in any way trying to make excuses for Saul but when so much of your roster is decimated by injury ANY program at ANY D1 program would probably be suffering a similar fate as ours.

Not downplaying Groce’s Sweet16 run but some things that stuck out to me:
- We won the MACC by the razor-thin call as whether Akron (Zeke) tipped in a free-throw or not
- The NCAA match-up was critical. Groce may still be coaching in Athens IF the 1st round match-up had been Mich.State and not Michigan.
- North Carolina’s starting PG was out with injury. Based on comments from some on this board Roy Williams must be a crappy recruiter too since he didn’t have another PG at the ready when his starter went down. Even though North Carolina had a roster of future NBAer’s they got spanked in the Elite 8 game by Kansas. I met North Carolina’s Director of BBall operations last year and he was completely complimentary of OHIO but stated they had NO chance against Kansas without their starting PG.

Go back to our NCAA run of 2010. For those who are critical of Saul’s freshman not being MAC first teamers, Groce’s freshman bigs Reggie and Ivo had 2 or 3 minutes of court time in the Georgetown or Tennessee game. Makes Carter’s performance to me last year all the more impressive when Tone went down. Also go back to Tone’s freshman year-he wasn’t an instant success. Nor was DeVaughn or KVK.

Kirk shows himself to be a scorer. The lack of assists is concerning. May he have been better served being an apprentice under Simmons?

I think the tenor of this board would be entirely different had Simmons came back and the rest of the roster been healthy.


Seriously, you know this isn't the thread to speak with logic, right? ;)

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   Posted: 2/2/2018 4:05:00 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
In no place is it defined that CMU would be anything other than the MAC tourney champs. "Best" is nowhere in the definition. It might be in yours, but that doesn't make it right. We'll agree to disagree.


Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree, but the team that CMU beat for the tourney championship, no matter how many all MAC players and impressive out-of-conference wins, could not possibly be called "best" in any rational world.


Your logic is broken beyond repair. I'm sorry.


You appear not to understand what logic is. I’m also sorry.


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   Posted: 2/2/2018 4:48:01 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
In no place is it defined that CMU would be anything other than the MAC tourney champs. "Best" is nowhere in the definition. It might be in yours, but that doesn't make it right. We'll agree to disagree.


Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree, but the team that CMU beat for the tourney championship, no matter how many all MAC players and impressive out-of-conference wins, could not possibly be called "best" in any rational world.


Your logic is broken beyond repair. I'm sorry.


You appear not to understand what logic is. I’m also sorry.



I tend to agree. In the MAC the cream typically rises to the top come MAC tourney time. The #1 seed usually doesn't win the MAC tourney but they aren't too much different in quality as #2, #3, #4 seeds perhaps more in a given year. Cleveland is like the NCAA tournament where as you progress to later rounds the cream rises to the top.


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   Posted: 2/2/2018 5:18:26 PM 
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what they had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

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The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /

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   Posted: 2/2/2018 5:50:48 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
SBH wrote:
I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.


On what factoid do you base this assertion?

Groce program was about to turn the corner and become a regular NCAA participant program like a VCU or Wichita St.


This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


I'd agree that I don't think Ohio can turn into Wichita State.

But I think it's reasonable to think that Ohio could, in fact, become like Northern Iowa or Bucknell. A team that goes to the NCAA tourney every 2 or 3 years. Six, ten, 12 year droughts between bids is the norm for this program. They've never ascended past that. Buffalo is there now. Akron has been that for a decade-plus. Kent was that for a long while. Even Miami had a decade of dominance.


In my estimation if Ohio could stay consistently in the Top 3 of the MAC, play in the dance every 2-3 years and make runs while they do so that is next level basketball. That is the type of basketball that will consistently give you presence on the MAC TV package, deep runs in Cleveland. At Ohio the name of the game is TV presence.


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   Posted: 2/2/2018 6:04:41 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


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   Posted: 2/2/2018 6:49:42 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioStunter wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

This assertion feels an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.

Part of why VCU and Wichita State were able to turn that corner is that they played in leagues that allowed for multiple bids. There are literally dozens of programs that had nice runs that involved multiple NCAA tournament wins. But very few (if any?!) examples of teams from single bid leagues that became VCU/Wichita State.

Kent State, Bucknell, Vermont, Florida Gulf Coast, George Mason, Weber State, Harvard, Stephen F. Austin, Northern Iowa, Valpo, and Davidson all say hi.

No matter how much we want it to be true, this is basically impossible to pull off in our league.


VCU and Wichita State don't have football teams. I think that is the biggest factor as to why their basketball programs have been consistently better than MAC programs.



100%. I think it's pretty obvious that the path to big(ger) time basketball involves FCS football for mid-majors. I know it's unpopular around here, but I would vastly prefer that we drop a level in football.

So given the impact it could have on basketball, it seems like a no-brainer to me.


That is where the fallacy in your logic resides, that is dropping football would have a positive impact in basketball. I hate to tell you this but football team or not Ohio is not going to spend 2 or 3 million a year on a basketball coach or spend an extra dollar in basketball. That is because Ohio already spends all it possibly can to buy home games for the program and charter flights out of the Athens airport for it. What do we need to spend extra money on? Gear? Of course if we drop football we'll lose our apparel contract and then we'll have to spend money out of our own budget on gear. Football is subsidizing a basketball program that has 20 students per game.


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   Posted: 2/3/2018 5:19:02 AM 
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I don't know who he is or which one's his office. Can you just relay what he said here?
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   Posted: 2/3/2018 8:47:58 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I don't know who he is or which one's his office. Can you just relay what he said here?

It's Jim Schaus, our Athletic Director, he is easy to find and enjoys having this conversation.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/3/2018 10:43:58 AM 
D.A. wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I don't know who he is or which one's his office. Can you just relay what he said here?

It's Jim Schaus, our Athletic Director, he is easy to find and enjoys having this conversation.


We live 600 miles apart. Could you just explain it?

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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/3/2018 11:09:38 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I don't know who he is or which one's his office. Can you just relay what he said here?


WOW! All posting rights should be revoked!
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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/3/2018 12:22:11 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I don't know who he is or which one's his office. Can you just relay what he said here?


WOW! All posting rights should be revoked!


Ha, I dunno man. I think k it'd be weirder if somebody who hasn't been to Athens in 15 years knew exactly what the AD looked like and where his office is.
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   Posted: 2/3/2018 3:33:48 PM 
crackerbaby00 wrote:
I actually think the run may have continued had JC stayed. He had a really good recruiting class coming in that next year, all or most of who de-committed after he left. One of them was Tariq Owens who, after starting off at Tenn before transferring, is now averaging 8ppg, 6rpg, and 3.5bpg for St. Johns. I think if JC had stuck around, we may have stayed near that same level for a few more years.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22309082
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   Posted: 2/3/2018 4:07:51 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
crackerbaby00 wrote:
I actually think the run may have continued had JC stayed. He had a really good recruiting class coming in that next year, all or most of who de-committed after he left. One of them was Tariq Owens who, after starting off at Tenn before transferring, is now averaging 8ppg, 6rpg, and 3.5bpg for St. Johns. I think if JC had stuck around, we may have stayed near that same level for a few more years.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22309082


I will disagree wholeheartedly with this statement. That locker room would have been a big mutiny. Amazing how quick people forget the rumors of N'Dour going to Iowa State along with three or four others leaving.....
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   Posted: 2/3/2018 4:08:41 PM 
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I remember Shaus saying he left Wichita State so he could be closer to his father, who was ailing in W. Va.

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   Posted: 2/3/2018 6:17:35 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
crackerbaby00 wrote:
I actually think the run may have continued had JC stayed. He had a really good recruiting class coming in that next year, all or most of who de-committed after he left. One of them was Tariq Owens who, after starting off at Tenn before transferring, is now averaging 8ppg, 6rpg, and 3.5bpg for St. Johns. I think if JC had stuck around, we may have stayed near that same level for a few more years.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22309082


I will disagree wholeheartedly with this statement. That locker room would have been a big mutiny. Amazing how quick people forget the rumors of N'Dour going to Iowa State along with three or four others leaving.....


I remember rumors of N'dour leaving but honestly don't recall hearing about others.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 2/5/2018 7:03:52 PM 
SBH wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Out of curiosity since we talk to much about Wichita State I wanted to see what had as an institutional mission statement. The reason why Ohio hasn't dipped in for $2 million dollar coaches and settles for high six figure price tag is a different institutional mission. Wichita State has a mission which is tied to be an economic driver for the greater public good and that is how they justify paying Greg Marshall $3.3 million dollars. Ohio is an intellectual school that justifies athletic spending because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. IPF is built because everyone else in the MAC is doing it. Scoreboard is installed because everyone else is doing it. The athletic department will invest in so much as how it positions us in the MAC.

OHIO
Ohio University holds as its central purpose the intellectual and personal development of its students. Distinguished by its rich history, diverse campus, international community, and beautiful Appalachian setting, Ohio University is known as well for its outstanding faculty of accomplished teachers whose research and creative activity advance knowledge across many disciplines.

https://www.ohio.edu/president/priorities/mission.cfm

Wichita St.
The mission of Wichita State University is to be an essential educational, cultural and economic driver for Kansas and the greater public good.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsustrategy&p=/mission /



You know, the guy who hired Greg Marshall at Wichita, the perennial mid major powerhouse in men's hoops, has a degree from a perennial Big Tenleven hoops powerhouse, his dad coached at a major NCAA hoops program AND the Los Angeles Lakers, and he is also on the NCAA Tourney Selection committee. AND, he left Wichita because he wanted to be the Athletic Director at an institution that had an FBS football program.

I wonder why he thought it was so important to a guy who has made a career in intercollegiate athletics that he work at an FBS school? For those of you who want to drop to FCS, you should stop by his office in the Convocation Center the next time you are there (or perhaps attend a Caravan event) and ask him why he thinks OHIO should remain in FBS football, because he is smarter than you about these things. I have had that conversation with him, and his rationale makes a lot of sense.


I remember Shaus saying he left Wichita State so he could be closer to his father, who was ailing in W. Va.


That was a reason to leave Wichita, but not the reason for choosing OHIO.


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