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FearLeon
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   Posted: 1/30/2018 10:12:54 PM 
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months

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   Posted: 1/30/2018 10:42:15 PM 
Have you ever considered the disparity between the Sweet 16 roster and the current roster that Saul Phillips has personally built? A game between those two squads would be a lopsided massacre.

Following that, ponder this:

Removing the starting (5) on the Sweet 16 team, players 6 through 8 were Jon Smith, TJ Hall, and Ricardo Johnson. #9 was Stevie. Is there a healthy player on the current 2017-2018 that would have seen minutes in that rotation? I will go further, is there ANY current player that would have seen time in that rotation? I might spot you Carter in certain circumstances, otherwise the answer is no.

Is there anyone here that believes Groce will not be replicating that success at UA? Look at his redshirts eligible to play in 2018-2019 and tell me how Saul Ball is a better system and just needs a little more time.

The apathy is sickening and the excuse making related to injuries is comical. Our current bench is a result of our current recruiting approach driven by our current coach. This system is not competitive and it should not be the accepted product of a program that employs the highest paid head coach in the MAC.

#14months

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   Posted: 1/30/2018 11:55:22 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS
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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 1/31/2018 12:01:16 AM 
Townie1977 wrote:
Have you ever considered the disparity between the Sweet 16 roster and the current roster that Saul Phillips has personally built? A game between those two squads would be a lopsided massacre.

Following that, ponder this:

Removing the starting (5) on the Sweet 16 team, players 6 through 8 were Jon Smith, TJ Hall, and Ricardo Johnson. #9 was Stevie. Is there a healthy player on the current 2017-2018 that would have seen minutes in that rotation? I will go further, is there ANY current player that would have seen time in that rotation? I might spot you Carter in certain circumstances, otherwise the answer is no.

Is there anyone here that believes Groce will not be replicating that success at UA? Look at his redshirts eligible to play in 2018-2019 and tell me how Saul Ball is a better system and just needs a little more time.

The apathy is sickening and the excuse making related to injuries is comical. Our current bench is a result of our current recruiting approach driven by our current coach. This system is not competitive and it should not be the accepted product of a program that employs the highest paid head coach in the MAC.

#14months


Given the lack of health, you might be right. But, a healthy Dartis, Carter, and TK would in my opinion. Hall wasn't great, though versatile. Smith walked out on his team, and Ricardo, like much of this current team, was left with the "we'll never know" because of the injury.

And seriously, our "current bench"? Good God man, you realize they finished the game tonight with SEVEN healthy scholarship players, right? Remember when John had that in 2008-09, why 8-9 scholarship players? They weren't great either.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 7:44:32 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS


Be careful tossing logical thoughts out around here. In my experience, they aren't well accepted. But I agree with you 110%.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 7:56:18 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS


Be careful tossing logical thoughts out around here. In my experience, they aren't well accepted. But I agree with you 110%.


So you are saying being that good in 2012 and this bad in 2018 are flukes...odd happenings? You don't know that 2012 was a fluke because Groce left. It changed everything. You won't know 2018 is a fluke until you see it continues into next. Those are facts and they are undeniable. And right now, Ohio has the worst team in the MAC. #NotFakeNews #14Months

Last Edited: 1/31/2018 8:43:07 AM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 1/31/2018 8:05:16 AM 
OU_Country wrote:


Given the lack of health, you might be right. But, a healthy Dartis, Carter, and TK would in my opinion. Hall wasn't great, though versatile. Smith walked out on his team, and Ricardo, like much of this current team, was left with the "we'll never know" because of the injury.

And seriously, our "current bench"? Good God man, you realize they finished the game tonight with SEVEN healthy scholarship players, right? Remember when John had that in 2008-09, why 8-9 scholarship players? They weren't great either.



I will go ahead and contest everything in the response by OU_Country. The Sweet 16 year was not an "outlier". 49 wins and a MAC regular season championship suggest that our trajectory was on the up. I am not a JC apologist, so the meteoric drop in 14-15 was not all Saul, BUT it does show that this year is also not an outlier. The notorious 10 win 14-15 team had (1) NBA player, (1) G League player, an emotional/aggressive leader in Setty, and a Freshman in Taylor that was clearly going to be special. The team was not cohesive and our coach apparently could not foster an environment that lead to team health (from a mental perspective). That 10 win team makes this year's team look like the University of Rio Grande's JV based on talent and the one constant is Saul.

The statement regarding the current bench is a testimonial on the state of our current leadership. Saul recruited our bench. We have scholarships on that bench that are not given minutes in a 16 point blow-out at BG (!). I am no D-1 basketball coach, but I'd have to assume if you're on scholarship and you're not getting minutes in a game like last night, there might be a problem. The problem was created and should be owned by Saul. He's recruited D-3 talent and tried to squeeze it into our wonderful new Adidas duds. All the while accepting the #1 paycheck in the conference.

Finally, on to the 2011-12 talent. TJ might not have been great but there were games when he did take over and his athletic ability is a foreign concept to our current regime. Jon Smith did quit after the Cleveland loss, and I agree it was a stupid mistake for legacy's sake but his effort and presence has not been replaced since that ill fated decision. Finally regarding Ricardo, the injury happened long after we knew what we had. We had a shut down defender who might take a bad shot and could get to the rim. He was an athlete in an athletic system that recruited ATHLETES.

Lots of excuses and permissive attitudes flying around on this board. If we have a trophy ceremony for our 13 win or less season this year, I guess I will come out of loyalty but I won't agree.

Last Edited: 1/31/2018 8:06:37 AM by Townie1977
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  Message Not Read  RE: 6 Years Removed From Sweet 16...
   Posted: 1/31/2018 8:32:42 AM 
Contest away. I truly don't care.

If you look up the history of this program over the last 35 years, facts are, 2012 was, in fact, an outlier. As is this year. That one was fun, this one isn't too much. It's really pretty simple.

And Leon, keep playing the "what if" with Groce, and how good YOU think they should have been if he'd stayed as your basis for comparison. You'll continue to be disappointed, even after Saul is gone and the next coach is here. 2012 was magical, no doubt. Let it be, and enjoy the present (as much as you can this year), and the future.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 8:41:08 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
Contest away. I truly don't care.

If you look up the history of this program over the last 35 years, facts are, 2012 was, in fact, an outlier. As is this year. That one was fun, this one isn't too much. It's really pretty simple.

And Leon, keep playing the "what if" with Groce, and how good YOU think they should have been if he'd stayed as your basis for comparison. You'll continue to be disappointed, even after Saul is gone and the next coach is here. 2012 was magical, no doubt. Let it be, and enjoy the present (as much as you can this year), and the future.


You're right, it's like waiting for Halley's Comet. You spend 75 years waiting for it to return, like it for the 30 seconds you see it, and then spend the next 75 years remembering how cool it was. Sounds like the way to live....in the past. The ultimate outlier. Saul is just supporting an Athens County Cosmical Event.

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   Posted: 1/31/2018 8:43:30 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS


Be careful tossing logical thoughts out around here. In my experience, they aren't well accepted. But I agree with you 110%.


So you are saying being that good in 2012 and this bad in 2018 are flukes...odd happenings? You don't know that 2012 was a fluke because Groce left. It changed everything. You won't know 2018 is a fluke until you see it continues into next. Those are facts and undeniable. And right now, Ohio has the worst team in the MAC. #NotFakeNews #14Months


How often does a MAC team make the Sweet 16? Oh, not very often? I guess that would make it sort of an...OUTLIER! That's a fun word. When your 3 best remaining players all miss significant time or are significantly slowed by injury, and your incoming bigs expected to provide depth also miss significant time with injury, that's an outlier. Name one MAC team that could face this kind of adversity and still win. No MAC team has enough depth to do that.

You can say people like me are making excuses all you want. I refuse to jump to rash decisions based on one fluke year when the team has been decimated by injury. If this was a pattern, if we were a lower level MAC team over multiple seasons, then I see that as a trend and maybe a change is needed. This same coaching staff took a team last year that lost the MAC POTY in-season to within inches of the tourney title game, and now you want to fire the guy because of this year? With all the team has dealt with?

I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy. Outside of the tournament, Groce was mediocre in the MAC. Christian won 49 games here in two years, including a regular season shared title, and people acted like he was the worst coach in program history.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 8:52:39 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS


Be careful tossing logical thoughts out around here. In my experience, they aren't well accepted. But I agree with you 110%.


So you are saying being that good in 2012 and this bad in 2018 are flukes...odd happenings? You don't know that 2012 was a fluke because Groce left. It changed everything. You won't know 2018 is a fluke until you see it continues into next. Those are facts and undeniable. And right now, Ohio has the worst team in the MAC. #NotFakeNews #14Months


How often does a MAC team make the Sweet 16? Oh, not very often? I guess that would make it sort of an...OUTLIER! That's a fun word. When your 3 best remaining players all miss significant time or are significantly slowed by injury, and your incoming bigs expected to provide depth also miss significant time with injury, that's an outlier. Name one MAC team that could face this kind of adversity and still win. No MAC team has enough depth to do that.

You can say people like me are making excuses all you want. I refuse to jump to rash decisions based on one fluke year when the team has been decimated by injury. If this was a pattern, if we were a lower level MAC team over multiple seasons, then I see that as a trend and maybe a change is needed. This same coaching staff took a team last year that lost the MAC POTY in-season to within inches of the tourney title game, and now you want to fire the guy because of this year? With all the team has dealt with?

I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy. Outside of the tournament, Groce was mediocre in the MAC. Christian won 49 games here in two years, including a regular season shared title, and people acted like he was the worst coach in program history.


Makes sense. We should rest on statistical history, not strive to rise above it. We should look that the history of the league and be satisfied waiting our turn. We should NOT collectively conclude that our program has the means to be the outlier within this league, we should be satisfied living out the prophecy of a MAC team. Duh......
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 8:55:19 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS


Be careful tossing logical thoughts out around here. In my experience, they aren't well accepted. But I agree with you 110%.


So you are saying being that good in 2012 and this bad in 2018 are flukes...odd happenings? You don't know that 2012 was a fluke because Groce left. It changed everything. You won't know 2018 is a fluke until you see it continues into next. Those are facts and undeniable. And right now, Ohio has the worst team in the MAC. #NotFakeNews #14Months


How often does a MAC team make the Sweet 16? Oh, not very often? I guess that would make it sort of an...OUTLIER! That's a fun word. When your 3 best remaining players all miss significant time or are significantly slowed by injury, and your incoming bigs expected to provide depth also miss significant time with injury, that's an outlier. Name one MAC team that could face this kind of adversity and still win. No MAC team has enough depth to do that.

You can say people like me are making excuses all you want. I refuse to jump to rash decisions based on one fluke year when the team has been decimated by injury. If this was a pattern, if we were a lower level MAC team over multiple seasons, then I see that as a trend and maybe a change is needed. This same coaching staff took a team last year that lost the MAC POTY in-season to within inches of the tourney title game, and now you want to fire the guy because of this year? With all the team has dealt with?

I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy. Outside of the tournament, Groce was mediocre in the MAC. Christian won 49 games here in two years, including a regular season shared title, and people acted like he was the worst coach in program history.


This goes much deeper than injuries. Look at next year's recruiting class. Sure looks like there is a good chance that not one of those recruits will play significant minutes in year one. Hell, both frosh could be looking at redshirt years. Only guy who might have a shot is the JUCO transfer. And if you bring in a JUCO, he better play. Look at the busts from previous recruiting classes. Good grief, I'm having flashbacks to Andy Kanzig and the LaFerla twins. After 4 years, nobody has a freaking clue what #SaulBall is including Saul. I never said fire Saul this year. 5 years is more than enough sample size to get a program like Ohio back to the MAC Championship Game and into the NCAA Tournament. And if it doesn't happen, that's on him and he knows it. #14Months

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   Posted: 1/31/2018 9:30:27 AM 
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I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy. Outside of the tournament, Groce was mediocre in the MAC. Christian won 49 games here in two years, including a regular season shared title, and people acted like he was the worst coach in program history.



I like your facts! Groce won 53% of MAC games. In fact before his final year here he was below 50% in MAC play. Good probability he left because he knew he'd not repeat the Sweet 16 year and saw the big $$$ at Illinois. I too am perplexed by those who crucified Christian. He won 74% of his MAC games here. He's still hanging in there at BC while Groce is back in the MAC.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 9:42:31 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
100%Cat wrote:


I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy. Outside of the tournament, Groce was mediocre in the MAC. Christian won 49 games here in two years, including a regular season shared title, and people acted like he was the worst coach in program history.



I like your facts! Groce won 53% of MAC games. In fact before his final year here he was below 50% in MAC play. Good probability he left because he knew he'd not repeat the Sweet 16 year and saw the big $$$ at Illinois. I too am perplexed by those who crucified Christian. He won 74% of his MAC games here. He's still hanging in there at BC while Groce is back in the MAC.



Who said anything about Groce taking Ohio back to the Sweet 16 the following year? Would it have been possible...I think so...especially with Bradds and LeVert coming in. To sit here and think that Groce said, "Hmmm...I can't take my team to back-to-back Sweet 16's..I'm outta here.".....is ridiculous. The dude took the money and became a millionaire and I don't blame him at all. I'm convinced Groce would have gotten his team back to the NCAA tourney the next year and everyone would have been thrilled with that.

Let me ask you this, in 20 years...what will you remember about Groce Vs Christian? Groce's NCAA tournament wins or Christian winning 74% of his MAC games and no NCAA tournament appearances? Come on man!? I don't see a banner hanging from the Convo that says Jim Christian won 74% of his MAC games. #14Months

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   Posted: 1/31/2018 10:09:08 AM 
100%Cat wrote:

I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy.


There's a certain percentage, lately a rather large one, that this applies to. They get all kinds of angry unless things reach the level that THEY deem that the program should be striving for, not what the program itself is striving for. That aren't going to be happy unless the program and the university approach achieving every year what was the best year for the program in the last 20 years. While I agree its great to want to strive to have years like that almost every year, it's not reality. Do what you want if you fall into this category. You're big fans, after all. Fan usually is short for Fanatic, so it's fitting.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 10:11:20 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
100%Cat wrote:


I think it's safe to say that some of the folks here will never be happy. Outside of the tournament, Groce was mediocre in the MAC. Christian won 49 games here in two years, including a regular season shared title, and people acted like he was the worst coach in program history.



I like your facts! Groce won 53% of MAC games. In fact before his final year here he was below 50% in MAC play. Good probability he left because he knew he'd not repeat the Sweet 16 year and saw the big $$$ at Illinois. I too am perplexed by those who crucified Christian. He won 74% of his MAC games here. He's still hanging in there at BC while Groce is back in the MAC.



Who said anything about Groce taking Ohio back to the Sweet 16 the following year? Would it have been possible...I think so...especially with Bradds and LeVert coming in. To sit here and think that Groce said, "Hmmm...I can't take my team to back-to-back Sweet 16's..I'm outta here.".....is ridiculous. The dude took the money and became a millionaire and I don't blame him at all. I'm convinced Groce would have gotten his team back to the NCAA tourney the next year and everyone would have been thrilled with that.

Let me ask you this, in 20 years...what will you remember about Groce Vs Christian? Groce's NCAA tournament wins or Christian winning 74% of his MAC games and no NCAA tournament appearances? Come on man!? I don't see a banner hanging from the Convo that says Jim Christian won 74% of his MAC games. #14Months



I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 10:26:56 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
...and one made free throw away from the Elite 8...and Ohio now has the worst team in the MAC. Let that sink in. This should never, ever happen at Ohio. #14Months


Both that year, and this year are outliers. #FACTS


Be careful tossing logical thoughts out around here. In my experience, they aren't well accepted. But I agree with you 110%.


So you are saying being that good in 2012 and this bad in 2018 are flukes...odd happenings? You don't know that 2012 was a fluke because Groce left. It changed everything. You won't know 2018 is a fluke until you see it continues into next. Those are facts and they are undeniable. And right now, Ohio has the worst team in the MAC. #NotFakeNews #14Months


I'm saying that based on the past 35 years of Ohio Basketball, that 2012 and 2018 are in fact, outliers. You're arguing, as usual, based on an opinion of what you think would have happened if Groce stayed. Of course it changed everything, but that season, as it stands right now, is an outlier. So is this year.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 10:32:04 AM 
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I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.


On what factoid do you base this assertion?

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   Posted: 1/31/2018 11:05:20 AM 
There are a few things I've noticed over the past few games, the season, and Sauls tenure.

1. Dartis I think is much more hurt than I realized and probably has been all season. I started noticing he didn't have that first step or the ability to run off screens well which had done so well the first two seasons.

2. Laster has probably been severely limited the past few games with a non-shooting shoulder issue. He's got grit and is a senior, but maybe he needs a few games rest.

3. For a guy who recruits "High IQ" guys vs athletes we sure miss a ton of free throws, can't finish at the basket, turn the ball over a lot, and in the 4 years never had a good inbound play.

4. The offense feels like it's predicated on a mesh of the players and everyone being capable of scoring after a swing pass. I think we have a lot of players who are incapable of scoring which is why the offense stagnates.

Kirk has been great and I think Butler will be very good. I think we end up losing one/both to transfer next year which is unfortunate because I like Saul as a person, but probably means he needs to go.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 11:12:08 AM 
How about this to show you how far we've fallen..I would go so far as to say that JC's second team would trounce this group.

You have Nick, Ndour, Tone, Stevie, Bean, Hall, Rico (until he got hurt), Jon, Setty and Wilkins. Of course Tone was only a freshman but he filled in during the postseason run when Jon quit.

That's 10 guys who could play. I would LOOOOVEEE to have Travis Wilkins on this team. We don't even have a guy like him. I think the problem also lies within the lack of development of these players. Block and Doug are the exact same player they were as freshmen. I remember seeing a video when we signed Dartis where he was in an AAU game against Kennard (Duke and now Pistons) and he was schooling Kennard to the point where Kennard threw his hands up and was pouting. Dartis was driving, shooting 3s, crashing the glass....where is that guy? What happened to him?

We have a star in the making in Kirk. We have a guy who has potential but still only averaged 9 ppg and 6 rpg last year in Carter and about six role players.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 11:32:01 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
How about this to show you how far we've fallen..I would go so far as to say that JC's second team would trounce this group.

You have Nick, Ndour, Tone, Stevie, Bean, Hall, Rico (until he got hurt), Jon, Setty and Wilkins. Of course Tone was only a freshman but he filled in during the postseason run when Jon quit.

That's 10 guys who could play. I would LOOOOVEEE to have Travis Wilkins on this team. We don't even have a guy like him. I think the problem also lies within the lack of development of these players. Block and Doug are the exact same player they were as freshmen. I remember seeing a video when we signed Dartis where he was in an AAU game against Kennard (Duke and now Pistons) and he was schooling Kennard to the point where Kennard threw his hands up and was pouting. Dartis was driving, shooting 3s, crashing the glass....where is that guy? What happened to him?

We have a star in the making in Kirk. We have a guy who has potential but still only averaged 9 ppg and 6 rpg last year in Carter and about six role players.


Regarding Dartis, isn't it pretty damn obvious what happened to him this year? It's been said he's been getting physical therapy all week in between games instead of practicing because he has problems with his hips.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 11:32:49 AM 
The media picked Ohio to be in the middle of the MAC before the season considering the players who were lost. It was supposed to be a rebuilding year to begin with. The Bobcats looked like a middle-of-the-MAC team in the non-conference schedule. Then injuries pushed the team beyond its breaking point.

As others have said, seasons like this in Ohio basketball history are rare, but not as rare as a Sweet 16 appearance. That team was a point away from not even being in the NCAA Tournament and nearly got knocked off in the MAC semifinals. A lot of things broke just right for that to happen. A lot of things have broken just the wrong way for this to happen.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 11:35:33 AM 
While I agree the program has certainly dropped over the past years - Sweet 16 does not mean we were one of the best 16 teams in the country. It means we 1). played well when it counted and 2). had match-ups that favored our team.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 11:37:30 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
How about this to show you how far we've fallen..I would go so far as to say that JC's second team would trounce this group.

You have Nick, Ndour, Tone, Stevie, Bean, Hall, Rico (until he got hurt), Jon, Setty and Wilkins. Of course Tone was only a freshman but he filled in during the postseason run when Jon quit.

That's 10 guys who could play. I would LOOOOVEEE to have Travis Wilkins on this team. We don't even have a guy like him. I think the problem also lies within the lack of development of these players. Block and Doug are the exact same player they were as freshmen. I remember seeing a video when we signed Dartis where he was in an AAU game against Kennard (Duke and now Pistons) and he was schooling Kennard to the point where Kennard threw his hands up and was pouting. Dartis was driving, shooting 3s, crashing the glass....where is that guy? What happened to him?

We have a star in the making in Kirk. We have a guy who has potential but still only averaged 9 ppg and 6 rpg last year in Carter and about six role players.


Regarding Dartis, isn't it pretty damn obvious what happened to him this year? It's been said he's been getting physical therapy all week in between games instead of practicing because he has problems with his hips.



No question his hips are bothering him, but he hasn't had the same intensity/killer instinct since his freshman year. I call that coaching, and specifically point to the way Saul let Jaaron run the offense last year. No accountability at all on Simmons last year - he had free reign. That meant a lot less shots and a lot less respect for Dartis' talents.
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   Posted: 1/31/2018 12:08:47 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
SBH wrote:
I doubt Levert was ever coming to Ohio, with or without Groce returning.


On what factoid do you base this assertion?


He signed his LOI, didn't he?

I have little doubt he would have ended up at Ohio if Groce had stayed.
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