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   Posted: 1/9/2018 9:58:00 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
OU SLAM wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
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Dude is just flat out brutal right now. Worst stretch of his career.


Totally agree! 1-7 from the floor and only 2 points. Can someone please explain why he is needed on the floor for 30 mins with this poor performance? Saul it’s ok to sub him out. He is killing the flow of the game.


His shot is not falling, no question. But he brings other positives. He was tied for most rebounds and assists tonight. And with us getting out-rebounded 39 - 33 I don't think we can blow off his 7 boards.



I still think you need more production offensively from Block. Defensively he is slow at keeping up with his man and late when contesting shots. Yes, rebounds went right in his direction so that was a positive for him. Playing against upcoming Mac teams we are in trouble keeping him out on the floor and not producing on offense.
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   Posted: 1/9/2018 10:00:27 PM 
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Block’s outside shooting struggles certainly didn’t help tonite but we lost that game tonite on multiple misses by not finishing at the rim.


It’s not enough intangibles in the world. He needs to get his confidence back and start knocking down shots or butler or somebody that can needs to get his minutes. I hope he finds his shot. It’s just the start of MAC play, we need to build from this point on.

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   Posted: 1/9/2018 10:41:40 PM 
allen wrote:
Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.


+1

I think this is a good assessment. Part of the issue has been that neither player is at 100 percent physically. Dartis has had his hip injury that he's playing through, and I understand that Block has been fighting some kind of an illness. Hopefully, they'll both be back at full strength soon.

Last Edited: 1/9/2018 10:42:28 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 7:42:43 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen wrote:
Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.


+1

I think this is a good assessment. Part of the issue has been that neither player is at 100 percent physically. Dartis has had his hip injury that he's playing through, and I understand that Block has been fighting some kind of an illness. Hopefully, they'll both be back at full strength soon.


With Jordy last night after he canned those two threes you saw "the look" like, give that guy the damn ball. I don't know if he shot more than twice after that.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 9:16:38 AM 
Block should throttle back on shooting 3s. In MAC play he's 2-15 (.133) behind the arc but 2-5 (.400) inside. He might also draw more fouls; he's hitting 80% of his FTs. Last night he seemed to be set on shooting 3s and had a big goose egg (0-5). He can help the team more by stepping up and hitting more 2s.

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 9:25:19 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen wrote:
Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.


+1

I think this is a good assessment. Part of the issue has been that neither player is at 100 percent physically. Dartis has had his hip injury that he's playing through, and I understand that Block has been fighting some kind of an illness. Hopefully, they'll both be back at full strength soon.


If Gavin is fighting illness, and he's this ineffective right now (see the numbers), sit him, start someone else, and give Gavin 20 min/g for a few games. When he's on his game, he's vitally important to this team. He's in a pro-longed slump or struggle right now. For the team, maybe getting Jimmy G in there more often would be good right now.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 9:31:48 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen wrote:
Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.


+1

I think this is a good assessment. Part of the issue has been that neither player is at 100 percent physically. Dartis has had his hip injury that he's playing through, and I understand that Block has been fighting some kind of an illness. Hopefully, they'll both be back at full strength soon.


If Gavin is fighting illness, and he's this ineffective right now (see the numbers), sit him, start someone else, and give Gavin 20 min/g for a few games. When he's on his game, he's vitally important to this team. He's in a pro-longed slump or struggle right now. For the team, maybe getting Jimmy G in there more often would be good right now.


Agree! This would be a coaching move. This is an easy observation but likely Saul will not alter the plan.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 9:39:55 AM 
OU SLAM wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen wrote:
Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.


+1

I think this is a good assessment. Part of the issue has been that neither player is at 100 percent physically. Dartis has had his hip injury that he's playing through, and I understand that Block has been fighting some kind of an illness. Hopefully, they'll both be back at full strength soon.


If Gavin is fighting illness, and he's this ineffective right now (see the numbers), sit him, start someone else, and give Gavin 20 min/g for a few games. When he's on his game, he's vitally important to this team. He's in a pro-longed slump or struggle right now. For the team, maybe getting Jimmy G in there more often would be good right now.


Agree! This would be a coaching move. This is an easy observation but likely Saul will not alter the plan.


In fairness - I'm not at practice, or anywhere else, so I don't know the whole situation. I watch/listen to all the games. The numbers, of late, aren't good. But he also brings more to the table than simply FG%. I like Gavin's game a ton, but I think if a guy is struggling a little physically, maybe lighten the work load for a week, see what happens.

Last Edited: 1/10/2018 9:40:42 AM by OU_Country
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 9:42:28 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:

That's why I was so concerned with having a PG who shares the ball before the season started. I was told over and over that the PG doesn't have to be the distributor in this system, but when you have guys like Dartis and Block who do not excel in creating their own shot, who gets them involved? Who gets them shots? TK has been very good, don't get me wrong, but his assist average is less than half of what J-Smooth had here in his last two seasons. TK does a lot of things very well, but so far, creating shots for his teammates isn't something he does consistently.


Everybody should be creating shots for everybody...I think that's where the hang up is when talking about have a main man at PG compared to not really needing one. It doesn't matter who creates the opportunity. It could be Jordy kicking to Jimmy G or Gavin kicking to Zach. Hell, even Gareri had a beautiful skip pass in the road game at CMU to give someone an open look. I don't care who the passes are coming from, just move the damn ball where it's supposed to go without having to dribble.

My coach used to say you can never beat a good defense with dribbling. One on one matchups? Sure, you have to dribble. But in a five on five, the ball shouldn't be touching the floor that much.

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When we move the ball we are a very good offensive team but we only do it on about one of every five possessions. I'm thinking of going back and re-watching last night's game and counting the number of times we take a shot after two or fewer passes and how many times we pass the ball without dribbling it. Playing on offense isn't tiring. Playing on defense is. But we don't make other teams work because we take quick shots and many times it's off of one-on-one moves. We just don't have the patience to run the offense long enough to get the defense out of position. There's a reason we looked gassed at the end of the game last night and Ball State looked fresh. We have more individual talent but they play much smarter and that's on Saul.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 10:00:16 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen wrote:
Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.


+1

I think this is a good assessment. Part of the issue has been that neither player is at 100 percent physically. Dartis has had his hip injury that he's playing through, and I understand that Block has been fighting some kind of an illness. Hopefully, they'll both be back at full strength soon.


I agree, they just need to get full healthy and confident.

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 10:02:31 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
Block should throttle back on shooting 3s. In MAC play he's 2-15 (.133) behind the arc but 2-5 (.400) inside. He might also draw more fouls; he's hitting 80% of his FTs. Last night he seemed to be set on shooting 3s and had a big goose egg (0-5). He can help the team more by stepping up and hitting more 2s.


He has a sweet jump hook, he should go inside out.

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 10:45:10 AM 
Who has a sweet jump hook? Block?

Mickle maybe. Kirk perhaps. But Block?

Speaking of Kirk and his jump hook, I find it interesting that our point guard could possibly be our best post up player. Long time Ohio fans might be reminded of Spindle Graves.

Last Edited: 1/10/2018 10:47:20 AM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 10:45:28 AM 
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GoCats105 wrote:


Everybody should be creating shots for everybody...I think that's where the hang up is when talking about have a main man at PG compared to not really needing one. It doesn't matter who creates the opportunity. It could be Jordy kicking to Jimmy G or Gavin kicking to Zach. Hell, even Gareri had a beautiful skip pass in the road game at CMU to give someone an open look. I don't care who the passes are coming from, just move the damn ball where it's supposed to go without having to dribble.

My coach used to say you can never beat a good defense with dribbling. One on one matchups? Sure, you have to dribble. But in a five on five, the ball shouldn't be touching the floor that much.



When we move the ball we are a very good offensive team but we only do it on about one of every five possessions. I'm thinking of going back and re-watching last night's game and counting the number of times we take a shot after two or fewer passes and how many times we pass the ball without dribbling it. Playing on offense isn't tiring. Playing on defense is. But we don't make other teams work because we take quick shots and many times it's off of one-on-one moves. We just don't have the patience to run the offense long enough to get the defense out of position. There's a reason we looked gassed at the end of the game last night and Ball State looked fresh. We have more individual talent but they play much smarter and that's on Saul.


There were a bunch of early shots from guys who shouldn't be chucking that early in the shot clock where I said out loud "what the (insert choice word) was that?"

Last Edited: 1/10/2018 10:46:47 AM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 11:00:50 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Who has a sweet jump hook? Block?

Mickle maybe. Kirk perhaps. But Block?

Speaking of Kirk and his jump hook, I find it interesting that our point guard could possibly be our best post up player. Long time Ohio fans might be reminded of Spindle Graves.


Now there was one of the characters that I was talking about. Snoopy Graham was a more polished version of that but still a bit of a wild man with his spins.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 12:44:01 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
Who has a sweet jump hook? Block?

Mickle maybe. Kirk perhaps. But Block?

Speaking of Kirk and his jump hook, I find it interesting that our point guard could possibly be our best post up player. Long time Ohio fans might be reminded of Spindle Graves.


Now there was one of the characters that I was talking about. Snoopy Graham was a more polished version of that but still a bit of a wild man with his spins.



Block has one too. He used it a few times last year.

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 1:44:50 PM 
Someone posted earlier today that Block has lost his 3-pt. shot. Maybe he lost that jump hook you say you saw last year as well.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 6:14:20 PM 
Love both these guys and I try to stay positive but the disappointment is warranted.

Gavin needs to shoot less 3s. I said this last year too. Come off a motion and be set up wide open, by all means fire away. But please don't look for it. I love the way Gavin plays in general but I'm starting to think he may need his minutes cut back some, whether it is related to injury or not.

Dartis' shooting numbers for his career looks like a 38 year old DH in baseball...regressing like a rock. I thought he was destined for absolute greatness after his freshman year. I don't know what the deal is but the regression is undeniable:

Freshman .487 FG%, .479 3P%, .885 FT%
Sophomore .440 FG%, .441 3P%, .883 FT%
Junior .408 FG%, .389 3P%, .829 FT%

I'd like to say it is due to defenses keying in on him but my eyes haven't told me that story. He had a better night last night so here's hoping he is turning it around. He looked like a man on a mission in the 2nd half.

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 8:12:47 PM 
Crossing half court, Dartis needs to have the green light to shoot 15 to 18 times a game. The two threes he made late in the second half were of that variety. Get the ball and shoot it. As for Block, he's the best actor to come out of OU since Piper Perabo. Take the ball to the hoop, draw/act your way into a foul call and shoot 10 to 12 foul shots per game. Both players have gotten way too tentative/are thinking too much. Just watching them they appear to be nice guys. If this team hopes to compete in Cleveland they both need to get way more aggressive offensively.
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   Posted: 1/10/2018 8:37:54 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Love both these guys and I try to stay positive but the disappointment is warranted.



Dartis' shooting numbers for his career looks like a 38 year old DH in baseball...regressing like a rock. I thought he was destined for absolute greatness after his freshman year. I don't know what the deal is but the regression is undeniable:

Freshman .487 FG%, .479 3P%, .885 FT%
Sophomore .440 FG%, .441 3P%, .883 FT%
Junior .408 FG%, .389 3P%, .829 FT%


Damn shame...really thought he'd be better than Nick Kellogg when it was all said and done. He's not even close. Kellogg had more aggression.

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   Posted: 1/10/2018 10:09:51 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Love both these guys and I try to stay positive but the disappointment is warranted.



Dartis' shooting numbers for his career looks like a 38 year old DH in baseball...regressing like a rock. I thought he was destined for absolute greatness after his freshman year. I don't know what the deal is but the regression is undeniable:

Freshman .487 FG%, .479 3P%, .885 FT%
Sophomore .440 FG%, .441 3P%, .883 FT%
Junior .408 FG%, .389 3P%, .829 FT%


Damn shame...really thought he'd be better than Nick Kellogg when it was all said and done. He's not even close. Kellogg had more aggression.


I know what the deal is (maybe):

Playing alongside Campbell and Simmons in years 1 and 2.
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   Posted: 1/11/2018 7:22:33 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
Who has a sweet jump hook? Block?

Mickle maybe. Kirk perhaps. But Block?

Speaking of Kirk and his jump hook, I find it interesting that our point guard could possibly be our best post up player. Long time Ohio fans might be reminded of Spindle Graves.


Now there was one of the characters that I was talking about. Snoopy Graham was a more polished version of that but still a bit of a wild man with his spins.


Two things I remember when I think about Spindle: his gold tooth back before the hip-hop revolution made gold teeth the go-to accessory; and how Spindle, at 6-feeet, would play in the back of Dale Bandy's 1-3-1 defense.

Maybe Giacomo can elaborate and/or correct me, but I think Spindle played two years at Ohio but didn't stick around when Nee replaced Bandy.
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   Posted: 1/11/2018 7:39:30 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Love both these guys and I try to stay positive but the disappointment is warranted.



Dartis' shooting numbers for his career looks like a 38 year old DH in baseball...regressing like a rock. I thought he was destined for absolute greatness after his freshman year. I don't know what the deal is but the regression is undeniable:

Freshman .487 FG%, .479 3P%, .885 FT%
Sophomore .440 FG%, .441 3P%, .883 FT%
Junior .408 FG%, .389 3P%, .829 FT%


Damn shame...really thought he'd be better than Nick Kellogg when it was all said and done. He's not even close. Kellogg had more aggression.


I know what the deal is (maybe):



Playing alongside Campbell and Simmons in years 1 and 2.


True....but I think Kirk is doing a decent job of distributing the ball to him. He's just not looking to create and take shots if he's not wide open.

Last Edited: 1/11/2018 7:41:58 AM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 1/11/2018 8:20:18 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Love both these guys and I try to stay positive but the disappointment is warranted.



Dartis' shooting numbers for his career looks like a 38 year old DH in baseball...regressing like a rock. I thought he was destined for absolute greatness after his freshman year. I don't know what the deal is but the regression is undeniable:

Freshman .487 FG%, .479 3P%, .885 FT%
Sophomore .440 FG%, .441 3P%, .883 FT%
Junior .408 FG%, .389 3P%, .829 FT%


Damn shame...really thought he'd be better than Nick Kellogg when it was all said and done. He's not even close. Kellogg had more aggression.


I know what the deal is (maybe):



Playing alongside Campbell and Simmons in years 1 and 2.


True....but I think Kirk is doing a decent job of distributing the ball to him. He's just not looking to create and take shots if he's not wide open.



In the last 4 or 5 minutes of Tuesday's game he created 2 3 point baskets and a driving half hook. Would like to see more of that aggressiveness.
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