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71 BOBCAT
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Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 10:57:40 AM

I must say I am disappointed with their play so far.
They are not consistent and at times appear to disappear when on the court.
I expected more, and we got less.
With Carter's status uncertain these 2 must step up if we are going to have at least a 20 win season.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 11:43:26 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

Whoa...20 win season??? How about we start with winning back-to-back conference games first? I agree about both players. Dartis really needs to become more aggressive offensively.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 11:45:02 AM

20 win season?

Best guess is 16/17 looking at the schedule and the injury pic.

Sorry you wanted more but this is a 10 win MAC season with an incomplete team. Buckle up buttercup it is going to be a rough ride.

You stop to think maybe the inability to move the ball inside out and around the horn has limited the ability of the perimeter players to find open shots off the ball movement? When the ball is moving and there is a threat inside, perimeter players and pure shooters have lots better looks.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 11:55:22 AM

High school is probably a poor measure but 4 short years ago, Dartis was the best player in the powerful OCC while at Newark. He attacked consistently and played around the rim against much larger competition when he had to. Paint play allowed space for his perimeter game. I will never forget Dartis taking a game over in Gahanna, leading Newark to a decided victory. Gahanna featured Michigan State's Nick Ward & Javon Bess and Syracuse's Matthew Moyer in addition to a legit 7'0 Alzonzo Campbell who was a Stony Brook commit. Dartis was an ice veined killer.

Jordan's game has changed, no slashing, little aggression, and being satisfied with set jump shots in transition. This may be a poor comparison but I feel his regression is similar to Ivo's during Christian's first year. I am hopeful that he gets back to what got him here.

Last Edited: 1/7/2018 12:02:10 PM by Townie1977

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 1:07:47 PM

Townie1977 wrote:

There is a huge difference in taking the ball to the rack in the OCC than the MAC.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 2:03:36 PM

When Tony went down last year his absence was softened by the fact that Carter stepped in as essentially Tony-lite. Lot of inside game and had to respect his ability to hit the 3ball. IMO Carter showed himself to be the most game-ready Freshman �big-man� I have seen at OHIO.

We have no such Carter-lite to magically appear this year. With Gareri/BVP both injured and really not able to even adequately show what type of abilities they do have, we are left with having an extremely limited inside scoring game.

Last year with Simmons at the point his drive and dish abilities were a compliment to Carter�s inside development. Simmons also had to be respected by opposing defenses for his ability to pop 3�s.

With having such a limited to non-existent inside scoring threat and a frosh point guard with extremely limited outside shooting skills places an extroidinary amount of pressure on Dartis/Block/Laster to produce.

It will probably take more of Laster-type performances such as he did yesterday to give us opportunities to notch wins going forward. It�s really tough to lose your best player 2 years running and expect to compete at championship level, especially at the mid-major level. I�m afraid there may be a few more CMU type outcomes going forward.

Sometimes life just deals lemons and with the rash of injuries and Simmons moving on this has the makings of wait till next year.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/7/2018 10:56:02 PM

I agree with the frustrations re: Dartis and Block. How is it Laster can raise his level of play and continue to improve and Dartis/Block fail to score double digits in Ohio's first two MAC games? I'd say that's more than mildly disappointing

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/8/2018 9:30:16 AM

bshot44 wrote:

When one guy gets 31, another has 16, and the team has 78, and gets the team gets the win, I'm not terribly concerned about how many points they scored.

But, Gavin in particular hasn't looked like himself for quite a few games. I'm more concerned that they might be worn down. Also, I think someone mentioned that Dartis has had some hip issues he's been playing through? I'm not certain specifically what, but that's gonna make a difference.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/8/2018 10:04:55 AM

I would say that Gavin has looked like himself the past few games.

One of Jordie's high school teammates told me that he has had fluids drained from his hip(s) and hasn't been 100% this season.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/8/2018 10:49:21 AM

OU_Country wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

That might certainly be the case ... especially with Dartis. If his hip is that bothersome, I can see that be debilitating. In the case of Block ... where is the guy that played in Charleston? I'm not expecting him to drop 25 a game ... but he has been non-existent in terms of offense.

If the issue is worn down .... that's a big problem. It's the 2nd week of January. Saul needs to do a better job of either A) conditioning these players or B) finding ways to limit their minutes to keep them fresh.

I know injuries have wreaked havoc on this season ... but you have Butler & Gareri healthy now ... you add that to Mickle, Taylor, Kirk, Dartis, Gollon, Block & Laster ... that's nine guys. That's more than enough able bodies to keep guys fresh. It's not like they're down to 6 or 7 guys (like they have been previously)

Block played 35 minutes vs. NIU and 31 vs. CMU. If he was tired ... why so many minutes vs. CMU in a blowout loss?

Same for Dartis ... 36 minutes vs. NIU and 27 vs. CMU. Bad hip or not ... he's too good to be this invisible on the offensive end. I think he's really struggling to shoot the ball right now ... 7-24 (3-14 3pt) last three games. Even if he's relegated to being a catch-and-shoot guy right now because of his hip ... he has to knock down those shots.

Ohio is going to struggle to compete for a top-four bye as it is ... but if they can't get more production from these two guys who are playing 30+ minutes a game ... that makes that hill even steeper to climb.

Someone has to step up to fill the production they're missing with Carter gone ... and it has to be someone other than Laster. Kirk has been a pleasant surprise and is probably scoring more than expected (although the turnovers are an issue).

Would also be nice to see more from Taylor/Mickle. Mickle might still be hampered from that knee issue he had. Taylor has only had 3 shot attempts in the last 2 games. That's baffling ... he should be at worst getting a few offensive rebound/putback chances. I'm not saying the offense should be going thru him ... but some more production would help.

Basically what I'm saying is that this team will not survive on Laster and Kirk carrying them offensively when they play the Ball St, Buffalo, Kent , WMUs and Akrons of the MAC. You can get away with that vs. NIU in the Convo ... but I'm not sure that will travel.

Life on the road in the MAC, huh? Ha!

Last Edited: 1/8/2018 10:49:46 AM by bshot44

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/8/2018 12:28:03 PM

Block is shooting a dismal 35% and Dartis is at 39%, both of these numbers have to go up if the Cat's hope to dance. Block was in the low 40's last year and Dartis was shooting close to 44 from three last year. They need to find their stroke. Laster and Kirk have done well at creating their own offense and opportunities for others. Please don't attack me for saying this.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/8/2018 6:11:52 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Townie1977 wrote:

There is a huge difference in taking the ball to the rack in the OCC than the MAC.

There is, but I think Townie's point was that even against players who went on to play big-time CBB, Dartis was not afraid to go after them.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/8/2018 8:09:36 PM

allen wrote:

Dance!? Those numbers have to go up if this team hopes to make it to Cleveland. And this team doesn't even have much of a chance of dancing in the CIT.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 10:02:42 AM

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allen wrote:

Dance!? Those numbers have to go up if this team hopes to make it to Cleveland. And this team doesn't even have much of a chance of dancing in the CIT.

Anything can happen in Cleveland, but I'm with you in that I wouldn't bet on it right now.

Last Edited: 1/9/2018 10:02:59 AM by OU_Country

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 12:27:24 PM

allen wrote:

Saul Ball is made for Dartis and Block. Unfortunately, we aren't playing Saul Ball. Some of the guys appear that they want to but the others don't or won't. You can count on one or two fingers the number of times a game that a player drives and kicks it out and usually it's Block doing it. I'm not talking about when a player tries to drive and gets stopped and then kicks it out. At that point it's too late. I'm talking about players driving and while they are still moving towards the basket kicking it out to a perimeter player. That and this team does more dribbling than any team I can remember at Ohio. Dartis and Block are both very good players but don't expect them to score consistently when they have to create their own shots.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 12:51:56 PM

I would add that we don't have an inside presence that warrants a double team, leaving Dartis/Gollon/Block/Laster open for a kickout pass (not sure if that's considered Saulball or not).

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 3:08:35 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

I would add that we don't have an inside presence that warrants a double team, leaving Dartis/Gollon/Block/Laster open for a kickout pass (not sure if that's considered Saulball or not).

That's a good point. That's where we are really feeling the loss of Jason Carter. Doug Taylor has been good on the other end of the court but he just hasn't progressed enough on the offensive end to make defenses have to gameplan for him. Mickel is a very good scorer but he's just not going to kick it out.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 3:32:17 PM

OUVan wrote:

allen wrote:

That's why I was so concerned with having a PG who shares the ball before the season started. I was told over and over that the PG doesn't have to be the distributor in this system, but when you have guys like Dartis and Block who do not excel in creating their own shot, who gets them involved? Who gets them shots? TK has been very good, don't get me wrong, but his assist average is less than half of what J-Smooth had here in his last two seasons. TK does a lot of things very well, but so far, creating shots for his teammates isn't something he does consistently.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 4:27:21 PM

100%Cat wrote:

OUVan wrote:

allen wrote:

Everybody should be creating shots for everybody...I think that's where the hang up is when talking about have a main man at PG compared to not really needing one. It doesn't matter who creates the opportunity. It could be Jordy kicking to Jimmy G or Gavin kicking to Zach. Hell, even Gareri had a beautiful skip pass in the road game at CMU to give someone an open look. I don't care who the passes are coming from, just move the damn ball where it's supposed to go without having to dribble.

My coach used to say you can never beat a good defense with dribbling. One on one matchups? Sure, you have to dribble. But in a five on five, the ball shouldn't be touching the floor that much.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 4:35:16 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

100%Cat wrote:

OUVan wrote:

allen wrote:

Maybe, but I thought we used the dribble very effectively against NIU. We got the ball into the paint and kicked it out. For the most part, I really enjoyed the offense vs NIU. We had a ton of off the ball movement and shared the ball really well. We did not force a ton of shots, ran the offense and Laster drilled shot after shot with the shot clock either at or almost at zero. If we keep running the offense like we did vs NIU, there will be open shots for Jordy and company. Just hope they are healthy enough to make them.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 5:13:27 PM

Dartis and Block are getting open shots and missing. The ball movement can always improve and that will come as the team chemistry improves. Dartis and Block have to find their stoke. Both have had it at times, they just have to get more consistent. Thank God for Kirk and Laster's ability to create their own offense and shoot at a decent percentage. With all of the injuries and inconsistency it could be a lot worst for the Cats. Dartis got hot recently, I hope that he can find his range going forward.

Last Edited: 1/9/2018 5:14:47 PM by allen

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 8:52:21 PM

Lost: Gavin Block's Shot
Last Seen: Game vs Clemson
When Found: Please return it to the Convocation Center

Dude is just flat out brutal right now. Worst stretch of his career.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 9:24:35 PM

FearLeon wrote:

Lost: Gavin Block's Shot
Last Seen: Game vs Clemson
When Found: Please return it to the Convocation Center

Dude is just flat out brutal right now. Worst stretch of his career.

Totally agree! 1-7 from the floor and only 2 points. Can someone please explain why he is needed on the floor for 30 mins with this poor performance? Saul it�s ok to sub him out. He is killing the flow of the game.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 9:35:49 PM

OU SLAM wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

Lost: Gavin Block's Shot
Last Seen: Game vs Clemson
When Found: Please return it to the Convocation Center

Dude is just flat out brutal right now. Worst stretch of his career.

His shot is not falling, no question. But he brings other positives. He was tied for most rebounds and assists tonight. And with us getting out-rebounded 39 - 33 I don't think we can blow off his 7 boards.

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RE: Dartis/Block Assesment

Posted: 1/9/2018 9:41:05 PM

Block�s outside shooting struggles certainly didn�t help tonite but we lost that game tonite on multiple misses by not finishing at the rim.

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