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FlashGary
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  Message Not Read  Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 1:35:16 AM 
Obviously I would have wanted the outcome and the point differential to be more to our liking. Ohio played hard; they just didn't play efficiently. You can't miss open shots and you must take advantage of opportunities presented against a big-time opponent. And as I've cried out from the rafters for years, quality height kills. It's so difficult to execute against that type of athletic length at both ends of the floor. Still dreaming of the day we can have three players on the roster 6-9 or taller who really can play.

That being said, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen of the team to this point. They're getting better, more comfortable with each other and I believe they'll be just fine in the MAC, provided they won't have a series of crippling injuries. I love the ball movement on this team and they'll be able to get their shots under less duress in league play. They'll seldom face the length Maryland displayed all over the court in the MAC, if at all. And I'm ecstatic how they run out and attack the basket at every opportunity.

I really believe this will be a fun team to watch and a bonafide contender for the MAC title, IF they remains healthy.

One more thing: I like Teyvion Kirk. But I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.

Last Edited: 12/8/2017 1:36:34 AM by FlashGary

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 6:28:00 AM 
I agree. Usually I would watch us on TV in a blowout like that and leave depressed but I felt encouraged. Seeing JC back was fantastic and he made some great moves for his first game back. The bench of Mickle, Gollon, Butler and JC (for now) is fantastic. What we need to get is more scoring and attacking from Block and Dartis every night. Laster has shown he has First Team All-MAC ability and leadership. I think we will be closer to .500 this year than 20 wins but this team will take every game with 100 percent effort.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 7:14:40 AM 
FlashGary wrote:
I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.



I agree. He should have had a number of assists last night and is a true PG which we need. Kirk has a skillset we really need as well but he just doesn't have a true PG mindset.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 7:40:03 AM 
OUVan wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.



I agree. He should have had a number of assists last night and is a true PG which we need. Kirk has a skillset we really need as well but he just doesn't have a true PG mindset.


I am just the opposite IMHO. Butler has been a head down, score first player. Seeing the floor or the spacing/players has been sorely lacking. Facilitate has not been part of the conversation. I was just amazed when he went into the key 2nd half and actually PASSED the ball. In my eyes Kirk has kicked out and kept the ball hot consistently. Still a work in progress but were I one of the other 4 on the floor presently I think I might actually have my hands up looking for a pass with Number 4. Just my take. I think they both have good skills (basketball and PG). How they choose to use and develope them is to be seen. One thing for sure....they could both use some work on shot mechanics. When the student is ready.....


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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 8:46:27 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:


I am just the opposite IMHO. Butler has been a head down, score first player. Seeing the floor or the spacing/players has been sorely lacking. Facilitate has not been part of the conversation. I was just amazed when he went into the key 2nd half and actually PASSED the ball. In my eyes Kirk has kicked out and kept the ball hot consistently. Still a work in progress but were I one of the other 4 on the floor presently I think I might actually have my hands up looking for a pass with Number 4. Just my take. I think they both have good skills (basketball and PG). How they choose to use and develope them is to be seen. One thing for sure....they could both use some work on shot mechanics. When the student is ready.....



It appears that you and I are watching two different games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 9:37:48 AM 
Saul needs to consider bringing in a "distribute the ball first" grad-transfer veteran PG next season to mentor the younger guards. Larry Austin who played at Xavier and is now glued to bench at Vanderbilt comes to mind. Freshman Saben Lee, son of former NFL runningback Amp Lee, has already beat him out for the job. But if you want a crafty ball handler who can break a press on his own and won't jack up 3's, he fits the bill.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 9:50:53 AM 
greencat wrote:
Saul needs to consider bringing in a "distribute the ball first" grad-transfer veteran PG next season to mentor the younger guards. Larry Austin who played at Xavier and is now glued to bench at Vanderbilt comes to mind. Freshman Saben Lee, son of former NFL runningback Amp Lee, has already beat him out for the job. But if you want a crafty ball handler who can break a press on his own and won't jack up 3's, he fits the bill.


Do that and watch one of our current guards walk out the door. The young guys are learning through trial by fire right now. Bringing in a guy like that would mess with their heads, I think.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 10:14:38 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
greencat wrote:
Saul needs to consider bringing in a "distribute the ball first" grad-transfer veteran PG next season to mentor the younger guards. Larry Austin who played at Xavier and is now glued to bench at Vanderbilt comes to mind. Freshman Saben Lee, son of former NFL runningback Amp Lee, has already beat him out for the job. But if you want a crafty ball handler who can break a press on his own and won't jack up 3's, he fits the bill.


Do that and watch one of our current guards walk out the door. The young guys are learning through trial by fire right now. Bringing in a guy like that would mess with their heads, I think.



That, and, unless there's a departure, there's no scholarship to give.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 10:15:38 AM 
FlashGary wrote:

One more thing: I like Teyvion Kirk. But I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 10:30:42 AM 
greencat wrote:
Saul needs to consider bringing in a "distribute the ball first" grad-transfer veteran PG next season to mentor the younger guards. Larry Austin who played at Xavier and is now glued to bench at Vanderbilt comes to mind. Freshman Saben Lee, son of former NFL runningback Amp Lee, has already beat him out for the job. But if you want a crafty ball handler who can break a press on his own and won't jack up 3's, he fits the bill.


You don't think either Kirk or Butler will grow into the job?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 11:18:48 AM 
FlashGary wrote:
Obviously I would have wanted the outcome and the point differential to be more to our liking. Ohio played hard; they just didn't play efficiently. You can't miss open shots and you must take advantage of opportunities presented against a big-time opponent. And as I've cried out from the rafters for years, quality height kills. It's so difficult to execute against that type of athletic length at both ends of the floor. Still dreaming of the day we can have three players on the roster 6-9 or taller who really can play.

That being said, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen of the team to this point. They're getting better, more comfortable with each other and I believe they'll be just fine in the MAC, provided they won't have a series of crippling injuries. I love the ball movement on this team and they'll be able to get their shots under less duress in league play. They'll seldom face the length Maryland displayed all over the court in the MAC, if at all. And I'm ecstatic how they run out and attack the basket at every opportunity.

I really believe this will be a fun team to watch and a bonafide contender for the MAC title, IF they remains healthy.

One more thing: I like Teyvion Kirk. But I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.



I guess you weren't watching the same game as me. It was nice to get jc back but I saw an uninspired performance. Especially on defense.
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   Posted: 12/8/2017 11:36:06 AM 
Yeah, the team is on track!!!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 12:23:45 PM 
I am with you (bobcat28) on this one. I stopped watching it. Maryland toyed with us the whole game.

Watching us get steamrolled by the 7th place Boilermakers and have our lunch money taken by Maryland just seems to indicate we are just an OK little MAC School.

I expect more on the basketball court. Football is a whole different monster for our beloved Bobcats.

Last Edited: 12/8/2017 12:24:12 PM by Diamond Cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 12:46:31 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
Obviously I would have wanted the outcome and the point differential to be more to our liking. Ohio played hard; they just didn't play efficiently. You can't miss open shots and you must take advantage of opportunities presented against a big-time opponent. And as I've cried out from the rafters for years, quality height kills. It's so difficult to execute against that type of athletic length at both ends of the floor. Still dreaming of the day we can have three players on the roster 6-9 or taller who really can play.

That being said, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen of the team to this point. They're getting better, more comfortable with each other and I believe they'll be just fine in the MAC, provided they won't have a series of crippling injuries. I love the ball movement on this team and they'll be able to get their shots under less duress in league play. They'll seldom face the length Maryland displayed all over the court in the MAC, if at all. And I'm ecstatic how they run out and attack the basket at every opportunity.

I really believe this will be a fun team to watch and a bonafide contender for the MAC title, IF they remains healthy.

One more thing: I like Teyvion Kirk. But I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.



I guess you weren't watching the same game as me. It was nice to get jc back but I saw an uninspired performance. Especially on defense.


We watched the same game, bobcat28; just saw it differently. I thought they played hard defensively; but not efficiently

Last Edited: 12/8/2017 1:26:48 PM by FlashGary

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 1:05:04 PM 
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 1:25:38 PM 
Diamond Cat wrote:
I am with you (bobcat28) on this one. I stopped watching it. Maryland toyed with us the whole game.

Watching us get steamrolled by the 7th place Boilermakers and have our lunch money taken by Maryland just seems to indicate we are just an OK little MAC School.

I expect more on the basketball court. Football is a whole different monster for our beloved Bobcats.




I'll say it again and again and again and I've had this discussion with practically every coach we've had since Jim Snyder: If you seek to build a team that can compete against the better (not great) non-league competition on your schedule, the MAC will be your oyster in the process. This is why you'll notice I'm always beating the drum to finally get two post guys on the roster who have the height, length and athleticism that HS recruit Nathan Springs brings to Athens next season. Yes, he may be a project. But he's the type of potential impact post player you take a chance on. Get an athletic one and a banger 6-10 or taller and then let's go out and ball with anyone. I know it's hard for a MAC school. But you've got to try.


You can beat a team like Maryland that has superior size and athleticism on their own court, but you have to play a nearly perfect game. That wasn't even possible last night because Jordy Dartis is playing hurt, Jason Carter hasn't had time to get his feet under him, and we're playing two talented freshman guards who are in the learning process. Size that can play kills. We're just too small upfront to compete against teams like that without shooting the lights out from the perimeter.

Did you notice the two players Maryland had in the post? Are you kidding me? We had no answers for either one of them, because we have no players like either one of them. I felt for Doug Taylor, laboring to keep Cekovsky from the hole. He did the best he could, but what could he do, crack him in the knees with a tire iron? We tried to double down and Cekovsky scored anyway or kicked it out for open treys. We got to the hoop time after time after time when Bruno Fernando was on the court. How did that work out? Block (not Gavin) after block after block without occasionally putting us on the line by fouling. Freshman wing Daryll Morsell was flat-out ridiculous. Did you see those moves he scored on? Cowan is an all-conference caliber quality young point guard, Huerter has a solid all-around game, Justin Jackson is an NBA prospect and they all had height and length, with the exception of Cowan. Maryland has gone to the Big Dance the last three seasons, averaging 26 wins per over that time. We weren't playing against chopped liver out there.

So, yeah, we're a MAC team. But I'm confident we're going to be more than "OK little" when it's all said and done this season.

Last Edited: 12/8/2017 1:29:22 PM by FlashGary

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 1:56:31 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
OUVan wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
I love Zach Butler's game. I think he'll be absolutely outstanding in time.



I agree. He should have had a number of assists last night and is a true PG which we need. Kirk has a skillset we really need as well but he just doesn't have a true PG mindset.


I am just the opposite IMHO. Butler has been a head down, score first player. Seeing the floor or the spacing/players has been sorely lacking. Facilitate has not been part of the conversation. I was just amazed when he went into the key 2nd half and actually PASSED the ball. In my eyes Kirk has kicked out and kept the ball hot consistently. Still a work in progress but were I one of the other 4 on the floor presently I think I might actually have my hands up looking for a pass with Number 4. Just my take. I think they both have good skills (basketball and PG). How they choose to use and develope them is to be seen. One thing for sure....they could both use some work on shot mechanics. When the student is ready.....



IMHO Butler's shot needs less work than Kirk's. I like what Kirk is bringing but his shot . . .
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   Posted: 12/8/2017 2:19:17 PM 
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.

Last Edited: 12/8/2017 2:26:05 PM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 3:21:33 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.


It's interesting that ytown brought that up, because since Saul has been in Athens we've not really seen what he can totally do with a (full) roster of his liking, save for maybe Year 2

Year 1: The Bean and Mo show

Year 2: Turn it around and see promise, lose in MAC semis, Campbell wins POTY.

Year 3: Campbell goes down with injury, team has to re-work itself and does pretty well considering the adversity, loses in the MAC semis.

Year 4: Injuries to Carter, BVP and Gareri forces small ball early on...


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   Posted: 12/8/2017 3:28:55 PM 
FlashGary wrote:
Diamond Cat wrote:
I am with you (bobcat28) on this one. I stopped watching it. Maryland toyed with us the whole game.

Watching us get steamrolled by the 7th place Boilermakers and have our lunch money taken by Maryland just seems to indicate we are just an OK little MAC School.

I expect more on the basketball court. Football is a whole different monster for our beloved Bobcats.




I'll say it again and again and again and I've had this discussion with practically every coach we've had since Jim Snyder: If you seek to build a team that can compete against the better (not great) non-league competition on your schedule, the MAC will be your oyster in the process. This is why you'll notice I'm always beating the drum to finally get two post guys on the roster who have the height, length and athleticism that HS recruit Nathan Springs brings to Athens next season. Yes, he may be a project. But he's the type of potential impact post player you take a chance on. Get an athletic one and a banger 6-10 or taller and then let's go out and ball with anyone. I know it's hard for a MAC school. But you've got to try.


You can beat a team like Maryland that has superior size and athleticism on their own court, but you have to play a nearly perfect game. That wasn't even possible last night because Jordy Dartis is playing hurt, Jason Carter hasn't had time to get his feet under him, and we're playing two talented freshman guards who are in the learning process. Size that can play kills. We're just too small upfront to compete against teams like that without shooting the lights out from the perimeter.

Did you notice the two players Maryland had in the post? Are you kidding me? We had no answers for either one of them, because we have no players like either one of them. I felt for Doug Taylor, laboring to keep Cekovsky from the hole. He did the best he could, but what could he do, crack him in the knees with a tire iron? We tried to double down and Cekovsky scored anyway or kicked it out for open treys. We got to the hoop time after time after time when Bruno Fernando was on the court. How did that work out? Block (not Gavin) after block after block without occasionally putting us on the line by fouling. Freshman wing Daryll Morsell was flat-out ridiculous. Did you see those moves he scored on? Cowan is an all-conference caliber quality young point guard, Huerter has a solid all-around game, Justin Jackson is an NBA prospect and they all had height and length, with the exception of Cowan. Maryland has gone to the Big Dance the last three seasons, averaging 26 wins per over that time. We weren't playing against chopped liver out there.

So, yeah, we're a MAC team. But I'm confident we're going to be more than "OK little" when it's all said and done this season.


You can play small ball and compete with anyone, but you have to hit your open shots. It's how we were able to beat South Florida and hang with North Carolina. It's how Golden State can win playing Draymond Green at center.

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   Posted: 12/8/2017 3:33:30 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.


It's interesting that ytown brought that up, because since Saul has been in Athens we've not really seen what he can totally do with a (full) roster of his liking, save for maybe Year 2

Year 1: The Bean and Mo show

Year 2: Turn it around and see promise, lose in MAC semis, Campbell wins POTY.

Year 3: Campbell goes down with injury, team has to re-work itself and does pretty well considering the adversity, loses in the MAC semis.

Year 4: Injuries to Carter, BVP and Gareri forces small ball early on...




Saw someone on facebook say that Saul's seat should get warmer. For as much bad luck as he's faced, to get to the semis in year 2 (young team took its early lumps) and year 3, I think he's doing a commendable job. I wonder some if there's something about his style that's a turnoff to players because he couldn't retain any of the JC recruits and guys like Ryan Taylor and Rodney Culver left. Of the last three coaches we've had, I consider Saul to be the best teacher of basketball tactics/philosophy, Groce the best game prep/game manager, and JC the best recruiter.

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   Posted: 12/8/2017 3:40:56 PM 
shabamon wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.


It's interesting that ytown brought that up, because since Saul has been in Athens we've not really seen what he can totally do with a (full) roster of his liking, save for maybe Year 2

Year 1: The Bean and Mo show

Year 2: Turn it around and see promise, lose in MAC semis, Campbell wins POTY.

Year 3: Campbell goes down with injury, team has to re-work itself and does pretty well considering the adversity, loses in the MAC semis.

Year 4: Injuries to Carter, BVP and Gareri forces small ball early on...




Saw someone on facebook say that Saul's seat should get warmer. For as much bad luck as he's faced, to get to the semis in year 2 (young team took its early lumps) and year 3, I think he's doing a commendable job. I wonder some if there's something about his style that's a turnoff to players because he couldn't retain any of the JC recruits and guys like Ryan Taylor and Rodney Culver left. Of the last three coaches we've had, I consider Saul to be the best teacher of basketball tactics/philosophy, Groce the best game prep/game manager, and JC the best recruiter.



Fair or not with all of the injuries....no NCAA appearance after 5 years...and I think it will be a struggle for him to keep his job. The highest paid coach in the MAC can't just take teams to MAC semis. Again, a long way to go...but these next 16 months are going to be crucial for the #SaulBallEra. Larry made it to NCAA in year 5. Timmy made it in year 4 and Groce made 2 NCAA's over a 4 year span.


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   Posted: 12/8/2017 4:20:44 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
shabamon wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.


It's interesting that ytown brought that up, because since Saul has been in Athens we've not really seen what he can totally do with a (full) roster of his liking, save for maybe Year 2

Year 1: The Bean and Mo show

Year 2: Turn it around and see promise, lose in MAC semis, Campbell wins POTY.

Year 3: Campbell goes down with injury, team has to re-work itself and does pretty well considering the adversity, loses in the MAC semis.

Year 4: Injuries to Carter, BVP and Gareri forces small ball early on...




Saw someone on facebook say that Saul's seat should get warmer. For as much bad luck as he's faced, to get to the semis in year 2 (young team took its early lumps) and year 3, I think he's doing a commendable job. I wonder some if there's something about his style that's a turnoff to players because he couldn't retain any of the JC recruits and guys like Ryan Taylor and Rodney Culver left. Of the last three coaches we've had, I consider Saul to be the best teacher of basketball tactics/philosophy, Groce the best game prep/game manager, and JC the best recruiter.



Fair or not with all of the injuries....no NCAA appearance after 5 years...and I think it will be a struggle for him to keep his job. The highest paid coach in the MAC can't just take teams to MAC semis. Again, a long way to go...but these next 16 months are going to be crucial for the #SaulBallEra. Larry made it to NCAA in year 5. Timmy made it in year 4 and Groce made 2 NCAA's over a 4 year span.


I hate to agree with this, but I think you're right. I will say barring any major shake ups though, i.e. a major contributor transferring or getting seriously injured for a full season.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 4:22:00 PM 
shabamon wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.


It's interesting that ytown brought that up, because since Saul has been in Athens we've not really seen what he can totally do with a (full) roster of his liking, save for maybe Year 2

Year 1: The Bean and Mo show

Year 2: Turn it around and see promise, lose in MAC semis, Campbell wins POTY.

Year 3: Campbell goes down with injury, team has to re-work itself and does pretty well considering the adversity, loses in the MAC semis.

Year 4: Injuries to Carter, BVP and Gareri forces small ball early on...




Saw someone on facebook say that Saul's seat should get warmer. For as much bad luck as he's faced, to get to the semis in year 2 (young team took its early lumps) and year 3, I think he's doing a commendable job. I wonder some if there's something about his style that's a turnoff to players because he couldn't retain any of the JC recruits and guys like Ryan Taylor and Rodney Culver left. Of the last three coaches we've had, I consider Saul to be the best teacher of basketball tactics/philosophy, Groce the best game prep/game manager, and JC the best recruiter.



JC the best recruiter? I'm interested to see your reasons for that. I personally don't know who we can say best recruiter was.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Disappointed, but encouraged by the Maryland loss
   Posted: 12/8/2017 5:00:49 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
ytownbobcat wrote:
My take is this program has been pretty chaotic for the past 5 years. Transfers, coaching changes and injuries have plagued it.
Is it reasonable to think we get stabilized after this year?


Good take^^^. This program should never accept not going to an NCAA Tourney over a 5 year stretch. The next 16 months are very important for Saul to really start showing something. When you are the highest paid coach in the league, you better at least start sniffing MAC Tournament championship games. Still waiting for Saul to have his "Ball State over Notre Dame moment". I view it as DiamondCat...how can anyone take something positive away from the Maryland game? That was a big disappointment.


It's interesting that ytown brought that up, because since Saul has been in Athens we've not really seen what he can totally do with a (full) roster of his liking, save for maybe Year 2

Year 1: The Bean and Mo show

Year 2: Turn it around and see promise, lose in MAC semis, Campbell wins POTY.

Year 3: Campbell goes down with injury, team has to re-work itself and does pretty well considering the adversity, loses in the MAC semis.

Year 4: Injuries to Carter, BVP and Gareri forces small ball early on...




Saw someone on facebook say that Saul's seat should get warmer. For as much bad luck as he's faced, to get to the semis in year 2 (young team took its early lumps) and year 3, I think he's doing a commendable job. I wonder some if there's something about his style that's a turnoff to players because he couldn't retain any of the JC recruits and guys like Ryan Taylor and Rodney Culver left. Of the last three coaches we've had, I consider Saul to be the best teacher of basketball tactics/philosophy, Groce the best game prep/game manager, and JC the best recruiter.



JC the best recruiter? I'm interested to see your reasons for that. I personally don't know who we can say best recruiter was.




I don't know who the best recruiter is. But I'll say this: Jim Christian was able to get quality big man recruits the likes of Maurice Ndour and Tony Campbell to come to Athens. Coach Phillips has brought in a lot of quality perimeter recruits, but won't Nathan Springs be the first recruit 6-10 or taller in coach Phillips' tenure?
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