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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 6:26:10 PM 
Let me add one more thing that was nothing short of embarrassing. When we get to "lights out in the Convo" to introduce our starting five could we possibly locate a spotlight to shine on the players as they are introduced? Do we have anyone on staff who might be able to operate a spotlight for 2-3 minutes? If we can't manage to do that, let me suggest we just leave the lights on rather than give a half-a$$ed attempt at player introductions!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 7:10:08 PM 
stub wrote:



Finally, the giveaway for season ticket holders of the replica Convo, made in China, is a piece of crap; my wife plans to return it next game.



And it's missing all the fencing every ramp, and dozens of rent-a-security dudes paid for doing absolutely nothing other than herding all to one ramp therefore easier/bigger target.....


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 7:39:37 PM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
WishIWasAtLuckys wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Looking forward to getting to town for the first game that counts. Jackie O's beforehand, college basketball on TV the night before, travelling to Charleston a few days later...hoops is finally here.


Should have stayed at Jackie O's - that was terrible.


I am absolutely shocked by the amount of people who are so down after this game. A win is a win but a win in the team's first game without Jaaron and then you toss in Carter being out. What was seen today was toughness and a group of guys who have never been "the man" in their careers. Mickle was a 10 minute guy for FGCU. DT was 10 minutes a game and Kirk and Gollon are both practically newbies. Toss in Laster, Dartis and Block being just complimentary players their whole careers and you have a team trying to find its identity. I am happy with this win. Are we going to get run in Charleston? Probably...but the goal isn't an at-large. It's a MAC title. Even without JC we are right there with most MAC teams.


facepalm.

How do you know any of this? Do you really think even one team out of 351 doesn't have the goal to get an at-large bid? How do you know we are "right there with most MAC teams? The season isn't even 48 hours old. And letting a 17 point lead dwindle to four is not toughness.

Come on, people.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 7:52:47 PM 
Have stayed off this conversation but have to comment after seeing the reaction of our PD/Security. I have worked in various positions (security/law enforcement) for over forty years. Have never seen the response that we have at our events anywhere. Officer with an AR-15 at football entrance, officers everywhere. The cement blockade to get in the parking lot. Not able to park under Convo or able to walk around it. I am all for safety but there are stadiums that still park at them and have thousands more fans than us. My black seats and green lot get me close parking. but really. Seems to me to be over kill (no pun intended). But I guess I can feel safe.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 8:02:45 PM 
Gets my vote for the “Who Pooped In Your Oatmeal” thread of the year so far.

Oh well....back to football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 8:54:55 PM 
Just responding to RSBobcat comment about the Convo. Don't like oatmeal but thanks for the award though.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 8:57:14 PM 
My 14-hear-old nephew and I went to the game today. It was the first game I had attended since Maurice N'Dour and Nick Kellogg were still playing. (My winter schedule isn't conducive to attending very many games, and even less so now that most of the games are on Tuesdays and Fridays.)

We enjoyed the game very much. I realize that it might have been somewhat frustrating to see Alabama A&M go on a 19-4 run late in the game, but I chalked that up to the Bobcats being an inexperienced team who is still trying to find itself, and this being the first game of the season. And they did find a way to stop the hemorrhaging and come through with the win. (And a win is a win.)

I thought Kirk looked good, especially for a freshman point guard. Mickle looks to be very athletic and will be an asset. Taylor did a fine job on the boards. Laster and Dartis are veterans who will continue to contribute. But the Player of the Game had to be Gavin Block. He did a little bit of everything--score, rebound, dish, play defense, and get on the floor.

I think this team will be all right. It's still young, and there may be some growing pains, but they will be OK.

(Sorry if I'm being too optimistic.)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 9:00:45 PM 
OU77BCJ wrote:
Have stayed off this conversation but have to comment after seeing the reaction of our PD/Security. I have worked in various positions (security/law enforcement) for over forty years. Have never seen the response that we have at our events anywhere. Officer with an AR-15 at football entrance, officers everywhere. The cement blockade to get in the parking lot. Not able to park under Convo or able to walk around it. I am all for safety but there are stadiums that still park at them and have thousands more fans than us. My black seats and green lot get me close parking. but really. Seems to me to be over kill (no pun intended). But I guess I can feel safe.


I still believe this as much about some makin'$'s as much or more than actual security - or maybe wastin' $ due to poor decision making. Yeah - AK's at the gate - Really?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 10:11:45 PM 
Anyone else notice a Bobcat player or two trying to get a time out late in the game when Alabama A&M had possession? Don't think I've ever seen that above the middle school level.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 10:24:19 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Anyone else notice a Bobcat player or two trying to get a time out late in the game when Alabama A&M had possession? Don't think I've ever seen that above the middle school level.


Mickle was trying to do that, but he had an injury. The officials told him to play on, and then when the Cats got possession they called time out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 11:29:59 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Do you really think even one team out of 351 doesn't have the goal to get an at-large bid?


Honestly I do. Alabama A&M had literally the worst D1 record last year. No way they're thinking at-large. They're hoping they win 5 or 10 this year. Furthermore, I think probably a hundred or more teams are more focused on getting ready and being hot at the right time (March) than at-large. Win the conference tournament. I would say all MAC schools this year(wish I was wrong). But then again I'm only guessing. Maybe some are that delusional. I'd bet Saul doesn't have an at-large goal right about now. Maybe 2 weeks ago, or maybe before JS took off to ride the pine at Michigan. Who knows. Not that he'd tell us.

I'm in the "don't sweat it" camp at the moment. We will take our lumps, because we are missing two of five previously expected starters. One to defection, one to injury. Thankfully one will be back at some point this year. Got a heck of a short bench at the moment with 3 injuries, 1 unused scholarship, and 1 guy unable to earn time. And with those 8 left, 2 are brand new, and 1 (Gollon) is coming off nearly 2 years without playing so he's basically brand new, and one transfer. We've only got 4 returners at the moment.

Ugly as heck game, but it was never in doubt. Ohio made a ton of mistakes and Saul let them play through them, because we weren't about to lose. We shot cold, things will come around. FTs always frustrating, not sure if that will come around :) We had plenty of rust to knock off(refs too), we had a lot of new players to integrate into the system, but it worked out. In hindsight this was a good game to start out with. Next week might bring a few thumpings, but who knows. Will be good experience for sure. I'll be there to root them on win or lose.

Nice play by TK, hope he keeps improving. Hope he & Butler can be the full time PGs so Jordan doesn't have to share time. Mickle will get used to the extra minutes and learn to be counted on more. Gavin seemed more aggressive than last year. That's great. JD was smooth as always. I want him to take about 20 shots a game. Doug got pounded/hacked - with very few calls, but I think that will happen to the big guy a lot. Hope he fights through it. Excited to see what Gollon turns into. I think we'll get a lot more out of Dartis/Laster/Taylor really soon.

And last of all, we need @ConvoBat back... Flies are everywhere on the court this time of year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 11:45:50 PM 
RSBobcat wrote:
OU77BCJ wrote:
Have stayed off this conversation but have to comment after seeing the reaction of our PD/Security. I have worked in various positions (security/law enforcement) for over forty years. Have never seen the response that we have at our events anywhere. Officer with an AR-15 at football entrance, officers everywhere. The cement blockade to get in the parking lot. Not able to park under Convo or able to walk around it. I am all for safety but there are stadiums that still park at them and have thousands more fans than us. My black seats and green lot get me close parking. but really. Seems to me to be over kill (no pun intended). But I guess I can feel safe.


I still believe this as much about some makin'$'s as much or more than actual security - or maybe wastin' $ due to poor decision making. Yeah - AK's at the gate - Really?



I'd rather have a Sheriff's deputy with an AK that's not needed than to have a terrorist or luny conduct some kind of massacre at the Convo or in Peden. It's an unfortunate thing in our society today, but these folks look for easy targets, and being prepared is a deterrent. I've been told that the OU PD police chief is quite well versed on these issues. I do find some of the things they've done quite inconvenient, like the barricades you have to weave around to get to the Peden Parking lot and the guards who prevent you from walking around the outside concourse at the Convo. However, I also understand the reason for them and reluctantly must admit in today's society they are necessary for our own protection.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/11/2017 11:48:02 PM 
Maybe not earn an at-large bid, but be in contention for one. If you tell me a team doesn't have the goal to be in that position, then they are not trying to win every game. Even Alabama A&M has control over its ability to earn an at-large bid by winning. I just don't think any team in the country thinks it's non-conference schedule doesn't matter, because I think that's synonymous with not having the goal to win each game as they come. Alabama A&M had a gameplan that they hoped would deliver a win against Ohio, just as they will win they play Minnesota, Michigan, and Georgetown later in the year. To quote Herman Edwards, "You play to win the game!" As Reggie Keely said on "Relentless" about that loss to Louisville, "We ain't go down there just to compete." And who are we to declare what the team's goals are? I don't want to be a fan of a team who says they don't have the goal of being in contention for an at-large bid.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/12/2017 1:07:59 AM 
I think this team will be fine. Its a process with a rebuilding year. Last year was our big chance, but Campbell injury was a bad break. This year more modest expectations. A close game does help a team learn how to close out games and win tight games. Not a bad think to get a scare early like this a teams learn how to play defense and reduce bad turnovers late in games plus hit pressure free throws. I don't see how a blowout help a team get ready for conference play. There are no easy games in the MAC. Close games force a team to focus on the details. They got a win despite a rough shooting day from behind the arc. They may be forced to play better defense knowing that they have fewer scoring options than past couple seasons.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/12/2017 8:12:58 AM 
I wasn't saying that we should not expect an effort to win all games or that Saul does not want to get an at large bid. Very simply I was stating that a MAC school who even thinks REALISTICALLY about multiple bids is nuts.

And as for the MAC, we have five guys whose combined college minutes have to compare to the rest of the teams (that stat is from looking at rosters).

Last Edited: 11/12/2017 8:13:34 AM by Bobcat1998

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/12/2017 10:51:20 AM 
mcbin wrote:
[QUOTE=shabamon]Do you really think even one team out of 351 doesn't have the goal to get an at-large bid?


Honestly I do. Alabama A&M had literally the worst D1 record last year. No way they're thinking at-large. They're hoping they win 5 or 10 this year. Furthermore, I think probably a hundred or more teams are more focused on getting ready and being hot at the right time (March) than at-large. Win the conference tournament. I would say all MAC schools this year(wish I was wrong). But then again I'm only guessing. Maybe some are that delusional. I'd bet Saul doesn't have an at-large goal right about now. Maybe 2 weeks ago, or maybe before JS took off to ride the pine at Michigan. Who knows. Not that he'd tell us.

I'm in the "don't sweat it" camp at the moment. We will take our lumps, because we are missing two of five previously expected starters. One to defection, one to injury. Thankfully one will be back at some point this year. Got a heck of a short bench at the moment with 3 injuries, 1 unused scholarship, and 1 guy unable to earn time. And with those 8 left, 2 are brand new, and 1 (Gollon) is coming off nearly 2 years without playing so he's basically brand new, and one transfer. We've only got 4 returners at the moment.

Ugly as heck game, but it was never in doubt. Ohio made a ton of mistakes and Saul let them play through them, because we weren't about to lose. We shot cold, things will come around. FTs always frustrating, not sure if that will come around :) We had plenty of rust to knock off(refs too), we had a lot of new players to integrate into the system, but it worked out. In hindsight this was a good game to start out with. Next week might bring a few thumpings, but who knows. Will be good experience for sure. I'll be there to root them on win or lose.

Nice play by TK, hope he keeps improving. Hope he & Butler can be the full time PGs so Jordan doesn't have to share time. Mickle will get used to the extra minutes and learn to be counted on more. Gavin seemed more aggressive than last year. That's great. JD was smooth as always. I want him to take about 20 shots a game. Doug got pounded/hacked - with very few calls, but I think that will happen to the big guy a lot. Hope he fights through it. Excited to see what Gollon turns into. I think we'll get a lot more out of Dartis/Laster/Taylor really soon.

And last of all, we need @ConvoBat back... Flies are everywhere on the court this time of year.
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Last Edited: 11/12/2017 10:52:00 AM by oldkatz


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  Message Not Read  Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/12/2017 11:57:44 AM 
... that Alabama A&M has improved from last season and isn't actually the worst team in D1? Is it possible that they have a decent coach who coached them up? Is it possible they have some under the radar talent that is showing up in the form of respectable play on the court?

I don't know the answer to any of these things and I didn't watch the game... but is it possible?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/12/2017 12:20:37 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
... that Alabama A&M has improved from last season and isn't actually the worst team in D1? Is it possible that they have a decent coach who coached them up? Is it possible they have some under the radar talent that is showing up in the form of respectable play on the court? . . .


Yes, it's possible.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/12/2017 8:38:51 PM 
When do we start calling him Captain Kirk?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/12/2017 11:12:47 PM 
I want to join you all in the "no big deal we got dis" camp, but sorry that was pretty terrible. I know, we were missing our best player, and it is very early. But...

Alabama A&M is really, really bad. It isn't like they got hot and shot the ball great to force them into the game. They didn't shoot it well at all.

We turned the ball over 15 times. They gave it to us 24 times, thankfully. Without a few of those, this could have been a loss. Many of those TOs were barely earned by us.

I really like Kirk...he is absolutely a dribble drive point guard. 2 games in and he still has not attempted a 3. I'm OK with that but hope he has it in his arsenal.

Mickle will be thrown into it without Carter around. He looks capable but needs some polish.

We were a few bounces away from the worst loss in program history. Hard to be positive after that. I still believe in this team, all I'm saying is that was not a good performance.

Also - Love the comments about overkill security. It annoys the crap out of me.

Lastly...The Ozone is dead. Bad opponent, football Saturday, early open to the season...I get it. But we've had lots of those hurdles before and we've never seen the Ozone (if it was a large enough group to call them that) sit the entire game. I know, it isn't just us with this problem and it's a generational thing, but it just makes me sad.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/13/2017 8:16:32 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I want to join you all in the "no big deal we got dis" camp, but sorry that was pretty terrible. I know, we were missing our best player, and it is very early. But...

Alabama A&M is really, really bad. It isn't like they got hot and shot the ball great to force them into the game. They didn't shoot it well at all.

We turned the ball over 15 times. They gave it to us 24 times, thankfully. Without a few of those, this could have been a loss. Many of those TOs were barely earned by us.

I really like Kirk...he is absolutely a dribble drive point guard. 2 games in and he still has not attempted a 3. I'm OK with that but hope he has it in his arsenal.

Mickle will be thrown into it without Carter around. He looks capable but needs some polish.

We were a few bounces away from the worst loss in program history. Hard to be positive after that. I still believe in this team, all I'm saying is that was not a good performance.

Also - Love the comments about overkill security. It annoys the crap out of me.

Lastly...The Ozone is dead. Bad opponent, football Saturday, early open to the season...I get it. But we've had lots of those hurdles before and we've never seen the Ozone (if it was a large enough group to call them that) sit the entire game. I know, it isn't just us with this problem and it's a generational thing, but it just makes me sad.


The Ozone was pathetic, we're in agreement there. Actually it wasn't pathetic, it had to BE THERE to be pathetic. This was worse on their part.

We were a few bounces from an ugly loss, but from a glass half full perspective (which isn't my strong suit), we were some knocked down open shots from this being a blow out. I can't imagine Dartis and Gollon are going to shoot like that very often. They were not good from 3 on very open looks. I think if a few of those shots had gone down, A&M's spirit would have been broken early in the second half and it would have been a smooth, easy win.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/13/2017 9:28:43 AM 
100%Cat wrote:

We were a few bounces from an ugly loss, but from a glass half full perspective (which isn't my strong suit), we were some knocked down open shots from this being a blow out. I can't imagine Dartis and Gollon are going to shoot like that very often. They were not good from 3 on very open looks. I think if a few of those shots had gone down, A&M's spirit would have been broken early in the second half and it would have been a smooth, easy win.


I think what we saw was a team trying to figure itself out without its offensive focal point. Everybody on the team is adjusting to new roles except Jason Carter. The biggest positive I take away from Saturday is that all 8 players that saw the court look like they can play. But even with Jason Carter this team is a work in progress on the offensive end. We've got until January to figure it out. Obviously Saturday was frustrating but I'm overall encouraged by the pieces that I saw out there. Looking forward to the ride.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is it at least slightly possible...
   Posted: 11/13/2017 9:56:37 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Also - Love the comments about overkill security. It annoys the crap out of me.

Lastly...The Ozone is dead. Bad opponent, football Saturday, early open to the season...I get it. But we've had lots of those hurdles before and we've never seen the Ozone (if it was a large enough group to call them that) sit the entire game. I know, it isn't just us with this problem and it's a generational thing, but it just makes me sad.


Game performance aside, because I think that's been addressed adequately, the OZone comment is a concern. One thing to consider is that there were no classes Friday, and many left for the weekend. In case anyone didn't notice, campus was rather deserted when walking around. Not to make any excuses, but it was the same way the last couple years because of the Vet's Day holiday.

If we're gonna call out the OZone, we should be calling out Joe average fans as well. Those lower level seats that the maximum security folks were protecting were largely EMPTY.

And then let's talk about security. For God's sake, I got into the arena 15 minutes prior to the anthem, and they attempted to turn me away at the tunnel because I wasn't in the right tunnel for my seating section. I told them, my seats are the next section over, and I often get there, go up a couple tunnels before mine so I can just take in what's happening in the arena.

If the powers that be are reading this, y'all need to get a grip on the reality that your "security" is over the top, and adds a negative check mark under "Con's" in the game day experience log. If they want to have someone checking tickets at the top of the higher dollar seats, I'm fine with that, but c'mon, we don't need two people directing traffic in every tunnel in the building until we manage to get 10,000+ in the arena. Since that's not happening this year, just leave your fans who come to nearly every game alone to do as they please unless they're bothering other fans.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Alabama A&M
   Posted: 11/13/2017 9:58:32 AM 
WishIWasAtLuckys wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Looking forward to getting to town for the first game that counts. Jackie O's beforehand, college basketball on TV the night before, travelling to Charleston a few days later...hoops is finally here.


Should have stayed at Jackie O's - that was terrible.


It was pretty bad, but I'll still be there for most of 'em, at least at the start.
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   Posted: 11/13/2017 11:23:30 AM 
Only saw the second half, but I have some thoughts:

-The team LOVES to share the ball. Almost to the point where they make too many passes. I'll chalk that one up to nerves of the first game and without a true go-to guy. Plus, JC being out.

-Gotta get tougher in the paint. Too many double pumps and wild shots underneath the hoop. Take that up strong and either make them foul you, finish the score, or you get blocked. I didn't see any shot blockers out there for AAM so I was curious to see why our guys weren't taking it up hard.

-Lots of interchangable parts in the 1, 2 and 3 positions. Like the possible rotations of any number of guys. They might struggle in crunch time bringing the ball up the floor, especially if they keep picking up their dribble when getting trapped with nowhere to go. But once they are over half court and in the offense, I don't really see much of a difference with any combination out there.

-Love Kirk's driving ability. He'll have his freshman moments like he did Saturday, but he's also going to make plays that wow us.

-Gavin looks like a completely different dude out there. He's a man now compared to the scrawny, scrappy guy who first arrived in Athens.

-Gonna be a rough first month or two until JC, BVP and AG can get in there. Like others have said, I would have them healthy in February and March than trying to rush them back early. But I don't really want to see a redshirt used unless the injury is that serious. Already down one scholarship, it would be a killer to be down a second.

-Just hoping to see some signs of life in Charleston this weekend. I'm not expecting to get completely run all three games, but it's gonna be tough to pull a game or two (or three, if we shoot well) off. Good learning experience for the young guys.
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